Ukraine - Superthread

[daftandbarmy]

Most people on here likely know this. But defensive positions and hide states and conditions provide an immense amount of int on morale, equipment, training, logistics etc etc.

One of my favourite quotes...

"You can learn alot from a shit pit."

 

[TacticalTea]

The question is, were they time delayed 'pigs' sent down the pipe by Russia, or previously laid subsurface charges from all the Russian sub activity in the black sea back in '17. Given the seismic readings the latter is more likely.

Also, wouldn't a pig in all likelihood affect the flow, thus the pressure, and be detected?

 

[GR66]

Also, wouldn't a pig in all likelihood affect the flow, thus the pressure, and be detected?

Were the pipelines not shut down and therefore no flow? And presumably no pigging?

 

[Spencer100]

Were the pipelines not shut down and therefore no flow? And presumably no pigging?

Doesn't the Russian navy have a sub just for this kind of thing

H I Sutton - Covert Shores

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Yes. If you are doing what essentially is a reserve demolition, you always set 2. The question is, were they time delayed 'pigs' sent down the pipe by Russia, or previously laid subsurface charges from all the Russian sub activity in the black sea back in '17. Given the seismic readings the latter is more likely.

Is unlikely to be a torpedo or depth charge as the area is under heavy and constant observation acoustically, and alphabet agencies/SF of whichever NATO country is unlikely as it would be a massive breach of trust in the Alliance (even if the aim was to set up conditions so that Scholtz cant go 'neutral' when the cold German public threatens his position)

But as a waving red flag warning to the west that their power and data cables, as well as other pipelines, Could just as easily be destroyed by ELF/VLF command detonated subsurface mines.

That would however be a nice legal point. Would it be enough if an Article 5 event if it was in international waters and nobody was killed to get NATI to commit to conbat with Russia?

Your theory is that the Russians predicted in 2017 that they would invade Ukraine someday and that it would go so badly that they might have to blow Nordstream 2, so they sent a submarine to mine it, while it was under construction?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Not looking good for the Russians stationed in Lyyman if this is accurate.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575584971569258497

 

[Kat Stevens]

Your theory is that the Russians predicted in 2017 that they would invade Ukraine someday and that it would go so badly that they might have to blow Nordstream 2, so they sent a submarine to mine it, while it was under construction?

Sort of like the Twin Towers being built with pre placed C4 charges, just in case they had to bring them down in a hurry some day in order to have something to blame on some guy squatting in a cave somewhere.

 

[armrdsoul77]

Pipeline pig in case others were also wondering


Various types of pigs for your pipeline.

Introduction to Pigging in Pipeline - The Process Piping

Pigging in pipeline is a process in pipeline maintenance that involves the use of devices known as pigs, which clean pipelines and are capable of checking pipeline condition without necessarily stopping or interfering with the flow of product in the pipeline.

www.theprocesspiping.com

 

[Skysix]

Your theory is that the Russians predicted in 2017 that they would invade Ukraine someday and that it would go so badly that they might have to blow Nordstream 2, so they sent a submarine to mine it, while it was under construction?

No, not that specific. That they would be in vonflict with NATO someday and should be prepared. I would be very surprised if similar thinking did not exist in other navies with similar capabilities and lotential global problems. Pretty sure it is a mission type within the SEAL community - they didn't build a carrier sub and place SDV team in Hawaii for shits and giggles.

 

[Skysix]

Sort of like the Twin Towers being built with pre placed C4 charges, just in case they had to bring them down in a hurry some day in order to have something to blame on some guy squatting in a cave somewhere.

No, more like many bridges and tunnel entrances throughout Europe being designed and built with demo ready voids in key places.

 

[Skysix]

Were the pipelines not shut down and therefore no flow? And presumably no pigging?

Pressurised (obviously) with test flows to get certification (N2) and 20% flow in N1 with frequent stoppages for various 'maintenance' reasons.

So no, not necessarily.

 

[Rifleman62]

Defensive position discipline starts here:

My first thought was get together and clean it up.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Defensive position discipline starts here:

My first thought was get together and clean it up.

This is why a professional NCO corps is worth its weight in gold.

 

[Brad Sallows]

And now you know what a point labeled "Pig passing" is on an alert display...

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Interesting bits, Commander using a DJI drone to direct his troops and that Soviet designed tanks have a very limited ammo supply onboard. Also the bit about the Russian artillery is informative.

 

[childs56]

Interesting bits, Commander using a DJI drone to direct his troops and that Soviet designed tanks have a very limited ammo supply onboard. Also the bit about the Russian artillery is informative.

The Commander seemed to do a good job coordinating his troops on the ground, something which would have been hard if not impossible from the seat of his tank. Adaptability and using teck to their advantage.

That ammo supply of 22 rounds seems to little. But if you had more tanks and a good supply chain one could rotate out as they run low. Interesting they used four tanks and appeared to do a good job.

Russian Artillery has always been about volume of fire, accuracy of a grid square. How they manage the supply of rounds is unreal. that's their doctrine, always has and I think always will be. (even if they start out precisions bombing, that only last until they screw up) If it works well sort of, leveling your own "peoples lands" generally works against you.

That was a good video.
This shows the training professionalism and Coordination NATO troops have been instilling in the Ukraine Military for the past number of years is successful. Prior to 2016 they were a former soviet bloc country running bloc tactics. Now they are running Western Tactics blended into Bloc ones and the professionalism overall is well observed. Lots of excellent teaching and learning points across the board for all.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Notice one of the BTR still has parade markings on it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575984316022071297

 

[Kirkhill]

Interesting update from Daily Kos

Ukraine on the move in multiple directions and now in possession of the M30A1 - videos of trials and effects -

Ukraine reputedly in Borova and Kreminna and in Terny. That puts them across the Zherebets River astride the LOC from Zarichne to Svatove.

Ukraine update: Russia prepares for defense of Svatove as U.S. provides powerful new rockets

Right now, Russian sources on Telegraph are evenly divided. Half of them are convinced that Russia is sending, or has already sent, massive reinforcements that will keep Lyman in Russian hands forever. You can take your pick on whether these are Wagner...

www.dailykos.com

 

[MilEME09]

Even Russian telegram is doom and gloom about Lyman. Reports also say units that managed to get out where immediately engaged when they reached Kremmina by forward elements of the UA advance.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1576172235735171075

 

[MilEME09]

The trolling here is awesome

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1576248108690079745