Ukraine - Superthread

[The Bread Guy]

In Russia, success declares you!

Russia-Ukraine war live updates: Putin claims Mariupol 'success,' tells forces not to storm last stronghold

Russian President Vladimir Putin has claimed "success" in Mariupol but ordered his forces not to storm Ukraine's Azovstal steel plant.

www.nbcnews.com

What a nice guy, trying to save his troops from harm by going into siege mode in time for 9 May ....

 

[CBH99]

PM tight-lipped on any details surrounding sending heavy artillery to Ukraine

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his government are remaining tight-lipped about Canada sending heavy artillery to Ukraine, citing 'operational security.'

www.ctvnews.ca

We have heavy artillery to donate??

 

[The Bread Guy]

PM tight-lipped on any details surrounding sending heavy artillery to Ukraine

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his government are remaining tight-lipped about Canada sending heavy artillery to Ukraine, citing 'operational security.'

www.ctvnews.ca

We have heavy artillery to donate??

At least allegedly ....

Meanwhile, gettin' stuff to them the long-ish way around

Germany to transfer armored vehicles to Slovenia, then Slovenia to supply T-72 tanks to Ukraine

Slovenia will give Ukraine Soviet T-72 tanks, in return Germany will supply Slovenia with Marder infantry fighting vehicles and Fuchs armored personnel carriers, the DPA German news agency said.

en.interfax.com.ua

 

[OldSolduer]

PM tight-lipped on any details surrounding sending heavy artillery to Ukraine

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his government are remaining tight-lipped about Canada sending heavy artillery to Ukraine, citing 'operational security.'

www.ctvnews.ca

We have heavy artillery to donate??

Yes it does weigh alot!!! Kidding.
I have no idea why our Dear Leader is taking so long.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... I have no idea why our Dear Leader is taking so long.

... especially after a major UKR lobbying group asked specifically for this sort of stuff April 14 (letter attached), and a UKR MP asked "where's ze money, Lebowski?" two days ago.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

I agree, 32k value add bodies.

Purple hair being the metric used for value added

PM tight-lipped on any details surrounding sending heavy artillery to Ukraine

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his government are remaining tight-lipped about Canada sending heavy artillery to Ukraine, citing 'operational security.'

www.ctvnews.ca

We have heavy artillery to donate??

"Heavy Artillery"

I wouldn't call a towed howitzer that can be slingloaded by a helicopter heavy but we are pretty creative with our definitions these days.

Just like we have a "Battlegroup" in Latvia

 

[lenaitch]

Amazing what enough of the good vodka will make you do....

Is that an anti-farm tractor evasive manoeuvre?

 

[Underway]

155mm is "heavy" artillery by weight of shot (oh I went all Nelson with that statement) not by the weight of the gun itself. It's the largest standard NATO ordinance. What else would you call it? Besides, it's a politician going for a soundbite. Being pedantic would lose the headline.

 

[daftandbarmy]

... especially after a major UKR lobbying group asked specifically for this sort of stuff April 14 (letter attached), and a UKR MP asked "where's ze money, Lebowski?" two days ago.

Well, if he'd asked for parkas instead of bombs....

 

[KevinB]

155mm is "heavy" artillery by weight of shot (oh I went all Nelson with that statement) not by the weight of the gun itself. It's the largest standard NATO ordinance. What else would you call it? Besides, it's a politician going for a soundbite. Being pedantic would lose the headline.

Since the old 175mm and 203mm stuff was withdrawn, the only Heavy Arty in NATO is Rocket Arty - but I agree saying Medium Arty loses the sound bite...

 

[OldSolduer]

155mm is "heavy" artillery by weight of shot (oh I went all Nelson with that statement) not by the weight of the gun itself. It's the largest standard NATO ordinance. What else would you call it? Besides, it's a politician going for a soundbite. Being pedantic would lose the headline.

You done did good.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

155mm is "heavy" artillery by weight of shot (oh I went all Nelson with that statement) not by the weight of the gun itself. It's the largest standard NATO ordinance. What else would you call it? Besides, it's a politician going for a soundbite. Being pedantic would lose the headline.

You haven't figured it out yet I am pedantic

 

[Good2Golf]

I wouldn't call a towed howitzer that can be slingloaded by a helicopter heavy but we are pretty creative with our definitions these days.

The irony is that it’s a ‘medium’ (by NATO defn) helicopter (Ch-47 Chinook) that slings an M777, but every reasonable person calls a Chinook a heavy-lift helicopter, even though by NATO’s defn, only the Mi-26 Halo and C/MH-53 Sea/Super/King Stallion are “heavy”…heck, even a Black Hawk fits into the ‘medium’ category…

 

[Spencer100]

Yes it does weigh alot!!! Kidding.
I have no idea why our Dear Leader is taking so long.

Because the supreme wish is that this will all be over by the time we get around to anything. I really don't think Trudeau cares one way or the other just that it's over.

 

[Good2Golf]

Because the supreme wish is that this will all be over by the time we get around to anything. I really don't think Trudeau cares one way or the other just that it's over.

Perhaps less ‘over’ and more ‘not impacting my polling numbers…’

 

[Good2Golf]

Russian assault units are leaving Mariupol, multiple sources report this. A small part of the Russian units remains to block the Azovstal plant, the rest are transferred to other sectors of the Ukrainian front to develop an offensive there. Where the troops are going is unknown, perhaps Kharkov, Nikolaev or Kherson.

 

[KevinB]

Russian assault units are leaving Mariupol, multiple sources report this. A small part of the Russian units remains to block the Azovstal plant, the rest are transferred to other sectors of the Ukrainian front to develop an offensive there. Where the troops are going is unknown, perhaps Kharkov, Nikolaev or Kherson.

So how long will it take you to run away and queue WMD usage in Mariupol?

 

[TacticalTea]

If we're to believe RUS state media, it's all wrapped up in Mariupol ....

• "Putin orders to cancel Azovstal steel plant storming in Mariupol and block industrial zone - The Russian president explained his order with considerations of preserving the lives of the Russian servicemen ..."
• "Russian defense minister reports to Putin on liberation of Mariupol"
• "Putin lauds liberation of Mariupol as success and its liberators as heroes"

Exactly as expected...

A victory declared in Mariupol in time for 9 May, regardless of reality.

 

[Kirkhill]

Russian assault units are leaving Mariupol, multiple sources report this. A small part of the Russian units remains to block the Azovstal plant, the rest are transferred to other sectors of the Ukrainian front to develop an offensive there. Where the troops are going is unknown, perhaps Kharkov, Nikolaev or Kherson.

I counted 4 or 5 BMP2s and 1 or 2 BMP3s. Is that all that could be salvaged?

 

[TheProfessional]

The crew of the Russian T-80BV tank demonstrated mastery of the tank in Ukraine. The tankers showed a steep 360-degree drift of the tank.

Fast & Furious 10: Mariupol Drift