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and beyond the paywall -
Steven Erlanger
March 16, 2022, 2:35 p.m. ET23 minutes ago
23 minutes ago
Steven Erlanger

NATO defense ministers vow to enhance deployments near Russia.



Several American military units have been deployed to Europe this year, as tensions between Ukraine and Russia escalated. Now NATO leaders are considering more long-term deployments to the alliance’s eastern flank.

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Several American military units have been deployed to Europe this year, as tensions between Ukraine and Russia escalated. Now NATO leaders are considering more long-term deployments to the alliance’s eastern flank.

Several American military units have been deployed to Europe this year, as tensions between Ukraine and Russia escalated. Now NATO leaders are considering more long-term deployments to the alliance’s eastern flank.Credit...Dustin Chambers for The New York Times
BRUSSELS — NATO defense ministers on Wednesday directed military commanders to draw up detailed plans to reinforce deterrence in the alliance’s eastern flank in light of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Final decisions will be taken at a summit meeting in late June, according to the NATO secretary-general, Jens Stoltenberg.

“On land, our new posture should include substantially more forces in the eastern part of the alliance, at higher readiness, with more prepositioned equipment and supplies,” he told a news conference after the meeting. Mr. Stoltenberg said there also must be enhanced air support, air defenses and naval presence to “reset deterrence.”

He said the “total new security reality” effectively rendered irrelevant a 1997 agreement with Russia, known as the NATO-Russia Founding Act, not to put substantial NATO forces in countries once part of the Soviet bloc.
“We will do what is necessary, and the NATO-Russia Founding Act is not something that will create problems or a hindrance for NATO to make the necessary decisions,” he said.
The alliance already has reinforced its presence in member states near Russia and Ukraine with an extra 50,000 troops in addition to national armies, NATO officials said. That makes a total of nearly 180,000 troops on the eastern flank. There are about 100,000 American troops in Europe alone, Mr. Stoltenberg said. There has also been enhanced air policing and more ships at sea.
Leaders are widely expected to make these deployments permanent at the June meeting despite the NATO-Russia Founding Act, which the alliance likely will not abandon but simply ignore.
New deployments will require considerably more investment in military spending by member states, Mr. Stoltenberg noted, as well as more money for NATO’s own budget.
While some member states, like Poland and the Baltic nations, want to do more to help Ukraine defend itself, Mr. Stoltenberg insisted that the alliance was united in refusing to risk putting any NATO-country troops in Ukraine or trying to create a no-fly zone, which the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, has been demanding.
But the defense ministers agreed to continue to support Ukraine with more military equipment, money and humanitarian aid, Mr. Stoltenberg said.
As for suggestions that Mr. Zelensky might be willing to abandon Ukraine’s desire to join NATO, Mr. Stoltenberg said that any such decision would be up to the democratically elected leaders of Ukraine.
Asked if Russia could win the war, Mr. Stoltenberg cautioned against speculation. He praised “the courage and capabilities” of the Ukrainian army and people, but said: “At the same time Russia remains a world military power. They have many different types of weapons, and therefore I think it’s too early to speculate about the outcome.”
 

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Did I miss the news reports on the first item highlight in blue:

"Canada now has 540 troops deployed in Latvia. They're leading a NATO battlegroup as part of a mission to deter further Russian aggression. Another 120 Canadian soldiers and an artillery battery are on their way to join them.

Two Canadian frigates have been attached to the NATO standing task forces and the Canadian air force has contributed a flight of CF-18 jet fighters for air policing missions over eastern Europe."

I thought the RCAF was shifting the 1 CP-140 from Iceland over to Eastern Europe. Anyone else hear about us committing CF-18's? If so, where, Romania again?

Also, I'm sure that heat is slowly being raised under our feet to add more to Latvia -

"NATO defence ministers have asked military commanders to draw up plans for a significantly larger long-term deployment of western forces in eastern Europe, the secretary general of the alliance said Wednesday."

 

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So, averaging the 2 countries statements:

"The mayor of Mariopul was 'released' by Russian troops into the custody of Ukrainian SF who 'escorted' her safely back to UKR lines"

That a major firefight did not occur tends to support the negotiation theory.
 

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I guess our standards of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable are different and I have no issue with that. But at first glance, without knowing the entire details (like the person involved is Ukrainian and their spouse/family/friends are fighting in Ukraine), I find it unacceptable and not taking the thoughts/feelings of others around them under consideration.
TBH, I thought it actually raised the level of discourse we normally see in the House of Commons… 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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Did I miss the news reports on the first item highlight in blue:

"Canada now has 540 troops deployed in Latvia. They're leading a NATO battlegroup as part of a mission to deter further Russian aggression. Another 120 Canadian soldiers and an artillery battery are on their way to join them.

Two Canadian frigates have been attached to the NATO standing task forces and the Canadian air force has contributed a flight of CF-18 jet fighters for air policing missions over eastern Europe."

I thought the RCAF was shifting the 1 CP-140 from Iceland over to Eastern Europe. Anyone else hear about us committing CF-18's? If so, where, Romania again?

Also, I'm sure that heat is slowly being raised under our feet to add more to Latvia -

"NATO defence ministers have asked military commanders to draw up plans for a significantly larger long-term deployment of western forces in eastern Europe, the secretary general of the alliance said Wednesday."


Perhaps...from what I can tell, it's just a normal roto for the CF18s; they had a ATF in until Dec 2021 and are going back in Jul 2022 if the article below is accurate.


There is also a LRP Air Task Force attached to Reassurance now, as well.
 

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Some conflicting information on whether the Ukrainians freed him or whether Russia released him:


I've read multiple reports and there seems to be some word twisting happening on Twitter.

My take is the Ukrainian negotiation team probably secured his release.
I saw some JSOC teams 'negotiate' outside compounds too -- "come out or we will kill you all" is a negotiation, just saying...
 

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U.N.’s highest court orders Russia to suspend military action in Ukraine.

The United Nations’ highest court on Wednesday ordered Russia to immediately cease military actions in Ukraine, a largely symbolic ruling that was nevertheless welcomed by the Ukrainian government.

Ukraine had filed a case with the International Court of Justice, asking its judges to issue an injunction demanding that Russia end its violent incursion in the country.

In Wednesday’s 13-2 vote, the judges ordered Russia to “immediately suspend” military operations. The two opposing votes were cast by judges from Russia and China.
The ruling, while legally binding, is not expected to have an impact on the war. Moscow is not expected to comply and boycotted the court’s first hearing in the case.
Still, Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, hailed the ruling.
“Ukraine gained a complete victory in its case against Russia at the International Court of Justice,” he wrote on Twitter.
The ruling comes as an isolated Russia has been increasingly shunning western institutions.
Russia gave formal notice on Tuesday that it would withdraw from the Council of Europe, which was established in 1949 as Europe’s main institution governing human rights.
Russia was suspended from the Council on Feb. 25, the day after it invaded Ukraine. Marija Pejcinovic Buric, the organization’s secretary general, said earlier this month that the war “goes against everything we stand for and is a violation of our statute and of the European Convention on Human Rights.”
 

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Lifehack: Don't invade another country without provocation and have your troops commit warcrimes on camera and no one will call you a war criminal. (y)
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Actually that's incredibly short sighted and rather ....Well dumb .
And pretty much what I expect from the current administration.
Always stay above the fray and always let an opponent walk away with all the dignity he can muster but that is all you let them walk away with.
The thing is you may have to actually talk to Putin and or deal with him.
Other people can call him names . You a have an entire staff to do that for you.
You remain above it , you are the President of the freaking United States of freaking America. Gravitas.
 
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Actually that's incredibly short sighted and rather ....Well dumb .
And pretty much what I expect from the current administration.
Always stay above the fray and always let an opponent was away with all the dignity he can muster but that is all you let them walk away with.
The thing is you may have to actually talk to Putin and or deal with him.
Other people can call him names . You a have an entire staff to do that for you.
You remain above it , you are the President of the freaking United States of freaking America. Gravitas.
Actually it gives the REST of Russia an out...
 
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