Ukraine - Superthread

[KevinB]

and Russian troops shooting more Ukrainian civilians

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1503790779835236352

 

[Quirky]

Anyone see this little snippet of news from yesterday's speech by Zelensky to Parliament.

Something else you may have missed in the coverage of the speech: Someone brought a crying baby into the House of Commons for the event.

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Stephanie George @mytimeatlast....
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Who are these people.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Why does May get to talk? Geez, she needs to stfu.

She is like the drunk, confused, not-so-popular aunt at wedding who makes a toast at the reception and everyone is thinking "here she goes again...sigh".

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Who are these people.

Remember the citizens of The Capital in Hunger Games?

 

[Remius]

She is like the drunk, confused, not-so-popular aunt at wedding who makes a toast at the reception and everyone is thinking "here she goes again...sigh".

It was one of the most embarrassing things I’ve seen to come out of the HofC. And that’s saying a lot.

 

[Kirkhill]

Some interesting stats there now that we have a three week sample.

Given the emphasis on the Battalion Tactical Group and the central role of the tank:

430 tanks - 10 tanks to the company = 43 companies - 1 company to the BTG = 43 BTGs
Base line

1375 Armoured Vehicles / 430 tanks = 3.19 - 32 Armd Vehs per BTG or
1 company of tanks and 3 companies of armoured vehicles
No particular surprises there

43 Air Defence Vehicles / 430 tanks = 0.1 - 1 Air Defence Vehicle per BTG
Seems kind of light?

190 Guns / 430 tanks = 0.44 = 4 guns per BTG
70 MLRS / 430 tanks = 0.16 = 1-2 MLRS per BTG
190 Guns / 70 MLRS = 2.7 = 3? guns per MLRS?
Seems quite conventional and not reflective of a major shift from guns to rockets let alone PGMs.

108 Helicopters / 430 tanks = 0.25 = 4 helicopters per BTG

819 Softskin Vehicles / 430 tanks - 1.9 - call it 2 - 20 trucks to sustain all that lot?
Corroboration of the impact of the lack of useful logistics?

 

[YZT580]

I can't stop thinking about 9/11 in comparison. We have a madman in control of the scenario whilst we sit in our seats and watch in horror but don't do anything to affect our destiny. Only in one is their any concrete resistance. Those who work in this field, the experts, say it is not a question of if but rather of when. So why aren't we writing the script instead of standing on the sidelines and praising those on that one a/c?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

This will spin out of control as a result of one of two things:

Bad Russian map reading by a unit in western Ukraine; or
Bad Russian targeting in western Ukraine.

....

Russian Attack On Base Brings War In Ukraine Right To NATO's Doorstep

A Russian air strike hit a Ukrainian military base just a few kilometers from the border with NATO member Poland, killing 35 people and wounding dozens more as Moscow intensifies its offensive across Ukraine, sparking angry protests across Europe.

www.rferl.org

 

[tomydoom]

....

Russian Attack On Base Brings War In Ukraine Right To NATO's Doorstep

A Russian air strike hit a Ukrainian military base just a few kilometers from the border with NATO member Poland, killing 35 people and wounding dozens more as Moscow intensifies its offensive across Ukraine, sparking angry protests across Europe.

www.rferl.org

Or this,

Russian politician tells Putin to 'fire warning missile' at US base - Extra.ie

A Russian politician has urged Vladimir Putin to fire 'a ballistic missile' at the largest weapon testing site in the US as a warning.

extra.ie

 

[GK .Dundas]

Or this,

Russian politician tells Putin to 'fire warning missile' at US base - Extra.ie

A Russian politician has urged Vladimir Putin to fire 'a ballistic missile' at the largest weapon testing site in the US as a warning.

extra.ie

if not for the subject matter isn't it nice to know we don't have a monopoly on truly stupid or in his case deranged politicians

 

[Good2Golf]

She is like the drunk, confused, not-so-popular aunt at wedding who makes a toast at the reception and everyone is thinking "here she goes again...sigh".

Well…she wasn’t any worse than Bob Rae’s embarrassingly far-too-long, preachy ramblings at the UNGA resolution meeting the week before last…

 

[MilEME09]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1504129483888111618

 

[tomydoom]

if not for the subject matter isn't it nice to know we don't have a monopoly on truly stupid or in his case deranged politicians

He MUST know that, doing that would be the END of Russia, probably the rest of us too. The level of irresponsibility is truly mind boggling.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Well…she wasn’t any worse than Bob Rae’s embarrassingly far-too-long, preachy ramblings at the UNGA resolution meeting the week before last…

Uncle Bob and Aunt Beth?

 

[Kirkhill]

Signed today.

Romania emphasising it has picked a side?

GDELS signs agreement to produce armoured vehicles in Romania

General Dynamics European Land Systems (GDELS) has agreed to support the production of wheeled armoured vehicles in Romania.

www.army-technology.com

Romania on edge as Russia invades Ukraine

Despite assurances from Romania’s leadership, many in the Eastern European nation fear wider Russian attacks.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[McG]

Watching OSINT feeds, even their strategic bombers are operating in the clear going on attack runs with ALCMs.

Is there a land based system for the SM-6? if so would it reach those bombers?

Is there a land based system with the range? 200 - 400kms? (sneaking it in there is a whole other matter)

Only thing I can think of is the PAC-3 patriot batteries, but I'm sure there are others.

Are there any NATO countries still holding some S-300 that could be passed to Ukraine?

 

[KevinB]

I can't stop thinking about 9/11 in comparison. We have a madman in control of the scenario whilst we sit in our seats and watch in horror but don't do anything to affect our destiny. Only in one is their any concrete resistance. Those who work in this field, the experts, say it is not a question of if but rather of when. So why aren't we writing the script instead of standing on the sidelines and praising those on that one a/c?

1) We needed time to move enough assets into the surrounding areas to have a credible force to make Russia think about the next step.
2) Putin is rather erratic so one never knows what his idea of a next step is...
3) Due to #2 it makes it hard to figure out what the best COA is
4) Eventually we the West will push back - and then we shall see what occurs when Nuclear powers become involved in a Hot War on opposite sides.
Which is why I think a strong message about no punishing Russians and Russia for Putins's action is needed, and guarantees made to that affect.

 

[SupersonicMax]

Anyone see this little snippet of news from yesterday's speech by Zelensky to Parliament.

Something else you may have missed in the coverage of the speech: Someone brought a crying baby into the House of Commons for the event.

So what?

 

[Czech_pivo]

So what?

I guess our standards of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable are different and I have no issue with that. But at first glance, without knowing the entire details (like the person involved is Ukrainian and their spouse/family/friends are fighting in Ukraine), I find it unacceptable and not taking the thoughts/feelings of others around them under consideration.

 

[Spencer100]

I booked our plane tickets to Europe for a summer vacation over the weekend. Still wondering what will happen between now and mid-end of July when we go.
Into Dubrovnik for a week and then fly into Toulouse and drive to Arcachon for 9 days before out to Dublin for 2 days and then home. Fingers crossed.

Me too....urgh. Detroit to Paris.