Ukraine - Superthread

[Eye In The Sky]

RUS state media: give 'em weapons, you're with them ...

EU taking sides with Kiev regime by supplying weapons to it — Russian foreign ministry

The European Union has finally taken sides with the Kiev regime, which has unleashed a policy of genocide of part of its own population," it said

tass.com

The European Union’s decision to supply lethal weapons to Ukraine means that it is fully taking sides with the Kiev regime...

Damn. Can't slip anything past that bunch, eh?

 

[Kirkhill]

I'm not pro Russia by any means ( I leave that to HitechComms) but has Russia been commiting war crimes, anymore than Israel in Gaza or the west attacking Afghanistan or Iraq?

Sometimes wars get messy, especially with every man woman and child in Ukraine taking up arms and fighting in urban areas.

Oh! I've got you now!

Your with the OTHER faction - the Pro-Euro Faction?

For the record. Given that one must not cross cultural lines these days for fear of cultural appropriation I shall self identify by the culture of my birth - Anglo-Saxon.

Sometimes we revert to type and reduce our communications to words of four letter or less. Just for future reference!

Cheers! Or perhaps I should say Skull?

(Slainte Mhor may be misconstrued despite my mother's influence.)

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Defending Ukraine - Listing Russian Military Equipment Destroyed By Bayraktar TB2s

www.oryxspioenkop.com

oryx maintains these updated lists of equipment losses

Thanks for this!

 

[The Bread Guy]

Some WW2-ish rhetoric coming from the Donetsk rebel leader's info-machine (links to Google English translation)

... The nationalist battalions play the role of defensive detachments, preventing the surrender of Ukrainian regular troops ... “They were in some kind of information vacuum. In fact, they were very surprised by this situation, this alignment. They went on the offensive and prepared for this for a long time, they saw how many weapons were coming to them, they saw what was happening. And when they surrendered and ended up here, they saw that the situation in Kyiv and around Kyiv had already changed, and the situation in Kharkov had changed, and the Republics had already been recognized. It was news for them,” the head of state said ... “The servicemen of the regular army are already ready to lay down their arms, but they are afraid of the nationalists who are behind them. Terbats, in fact, act as detachments, and this is a problem,” Denis Pushilin emphasized ...

 

[Remius]

Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Defending Ukraine - Listing Russian Military Equipment Destroyed By Bayraktar TB2s

www.oryxspioenkop.com

oryx maintains these updated lists of equipment losses

Cool site. Only confirmed or as confirmed by photo etc. Still gives you an idea of the difference.

 

[EnchantedEng]

I came across this article which says there was an agreement upon the creation of NATO to not expand into territory formerly controlled by the Soviet Union, which same NATO went on to ignore over the years following the agreement.

Here is the link:

West promised not to expand NATO – Der Spiegel — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Can anyone tell me if this is a trustworthy source? For some reason I find it more and more difficult to rely on the media for ... almost anything. I mean... even the weather forecast has not been very accurate. The mass media finds it hard to report on anything without being partisan, I think.

Edit: clarity & typo

 

[Kirkhill]

Not to be Capt Obvious but....the Russian's do have a decent AD capability; that convoy could be in the "dome" of multiple system. S400s, wheeled/tracked AFV stuff, MANPADs....

Be fun to sit on highground in their main axis of advance and pump ATGMs into the lead elements, then withdraw a bit. Rinse, repeat. Change it up and hit them from some laterals, gaps, etc.

Plan B?

• Tochka U tactical ballistic missiles
• BM-21 Grad, BM-27 Uragan, BM-30 Smerch multi-launcher rocket systems

And some of the friendly neighbours may have some surplus 122mm rockets lying around.

 

[blacktriangle]

I came across this article which says there was an agreement upon the creation of NATO to not expand into territory formerly controlled by the Soviet Union, which same NATO went on to ignore over the years following the agreement.

Here is the link:

West promised not to expand NATO – Der Spiegel — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Can anyone tell me if this is a trustworthy source? For some reason I find it more and more difficule to rely on the media for ... almost anything. I mean... even the weather forecast has not been very accurate as well as their taking sides when reporting almost everything.

RT = Russia Today.

Sound like an unbiased source to you?

 

[Remius]

I came across this article which says there was an agreement upon the creation of NATO to not expand into territory formerly controlled by the Soviet Union, which same NATO went on to ignore over the years following the agreement.

Here is the link:

West promised not to expand NATO – Der Spiegel — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Can anyone tell me if this is a trustworthy source? For some reason I find it more and more difficult to rely on the media for ... almost anything. I mean... even the weather forecast has not been very accurate. The mass media finds it hard to report on anything without being partisan, I think.

Edit: clarity & typo

PolitiFact - Fact-checking claims that NATO, US broke agreement against alliance expanding eastward

Two days before Russia invaded Ukraine with an assault that intelligence officials had warned was coming, conservative c

www.politifact.com

 

[Altair]

Oh! I've got you now!

Your with the OTHER faction - the Pro-Euro Faction?

For the record. Given that one must not cross cultural lines these days for fear of cultural appropriation I shall self identify by the culture of my birth - Anglo-Saxon.

Sometimes we revert to type and reduce our communications to words of four letter or less. Just for future reference!

Cheers! Or perhaps I should say Skull?

(Slainte Mhor may be misconstrued despite my mother's influence.)

 

[suffolkowner]

Cool site. Only confirmed or as confirmed by photo etc. Still gives you an idea of the difference.

yeah a little more conservative on the numbers and probably lagging a few days. They did the same thing for Armenia-Azerbaijan

Im not sure but maybe Turkish?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Tick tock....not definitive yet but closer?

Turkey Says War Exists in Black Sea, Allowing It to Block Russian Navy

Turkey’s foreign minister said Sunday that the situation in Ukraine had become a war, a legal distinction that paves the way for Ankara to potentially ban Russian warships from entering the Black Sea through a strategic chokepoint. Turkey’s government had said on Friday it was working to determine

www.wsj.com

Sinan Ulgen, a former Turkish diplomat and director of an Istanbul-based think tank, said that Ankara was likely to issue a formal declaration invoking Article-19 of the Montreux Convention that would allow Turkey to ban warships from countries fighting in a war.

 

[Remius]

I came across this article which says there was an agreement upon the creation of NATO to not expand into territory formerly controlled by the Soviet Union, which same NATO went on to ignore over the years following the agreement.

Here is the link:

West promised not to expand NATO – Der Spiegel — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Can anyone tell me if this is a trustworthy source? For some reason I find it more and more difficult to rely on the media for ... almost anything. I mean... even the weather forecast has not been very accurate. The mass media finds it hard to report on anything without being partisan, I think.

Edit: clarity & typo

So the article I posted above is recent. But it is explored here in more detail in 2009.

TWQ: The Myth of a No-NATO-Enlargement Pledge to Russia - Spring 2009

www.csis.org

 

[EnchantedEng]

@Altair & @Remius & @blacktriangle - Thanks for the quick feedback.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Plan B?

• Tochka U tactical ballistic missiles
• BM-21 Grad, BM-27 Uragan, BM-30 Smerch multi-launcher rocket systems

And some of the friendly neighbours may have some surplus 122mm rockets lying around.

The Mike Tyson battleplan. Could be better than what I said (the Muhammad Ali battleplan).

 

[Altair]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498450296825159682

Either this is a very large traffic jam or this is the big push the Ukrainians have been fearing.

 

[Pieman]

I'm semi-seriously considering at this point. Anyone else?

Ukraine appeals for foreign volunteers to join fight against Russia

"Interested volunteers have been told to contact the defence attache of the Ukrainian embassies in their home countries."

 

[EnchantedEng]

RT = Russia Today.

Sound like an unbiased source to you?

I dunno. Should I believe everything CBC writes either?

I got some good links above that give some good information, particularly the article from Center for Strategic International Studies which says correlation between available declassified records and memoirs correlate information about that fact being untrue.

Thanks!

 

[OceanBonfire]

After Amnesty International confirmed widely-banned cluster munitions have been used, now it's possible Russia used a vaccum bomb, prohibited by the Geneva convention:

Ukraine, rights groups say Russia used cluster & vacuum bombs

Human rights groups and Ukraine's ambassador to the United States on Monday accused Russia of attacking Ukrainians with cluster bombs and vacuum bombs, weapons that have been condemned by a variety of international organizations.

www.reuters.com

 

[Eye In The Sky]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498450296825159682

Either this is a very large traffic jam or this is the big push the Ukrainians have been fearing.

Significant is an understatement. That comment I made about hitting the lead elements? "anytime" would be a GREAT time to start...