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suffolkowner

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Unfortunately the only alternative would be a long pipe line via green land and Iceland to the UK. Such a mega project would be an engineering nightmare. Canada and the US could provides Europe's natural gas needs, we just can't get it there for now
Yeah not likely to happen if it hasn't already. I know theres always been lots of talk of LNG through BC but has there ever been any real attempts to move more NG east?
 

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If we were smart, and that's a big if, create and fast track a project to get LNG to Europe, if Europe can get off Russian gas, its check mate for russias economy
"We" would have to be both smart and quick ...
Awkward Cricket GIF
 

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If we were smart, and that's a big if, create and fast track a project to get LNG to Europe, if Europe can get off Russian gas, its check mate for russias economy
Can you imagine the catastrophic failure that would happen if after such a costly mega project Russia and Europe mend fences and Russian oil and gas would be much cheaper than NA oil and gas due to not needing to recoup costs from said mega project?
 

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I'm curious how Europe is going to compete with China for Russia's oil and gas in the near future?
 

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But she becomes an informed voice at the table able to share the realities of the situation in Ukraine in a way that maybe someone else may not.

Based on being an exchange student almost 40 years ago, or something more recent?
 

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If we were smart, and that's a big if, create and fast track a project to get LNG to Europe, if Europe can get off Russian gas, its check mate for russias economy
Except we aren't smart:


Canadians often seem embarrassed by their wealth of natural resources, especially the oil sands. Other countries, such as the U.S. and Russia, view their energy resources as a strategic asset. This is evident in the panicked reaction to Michigan’s threat to cut off oil shipments to Ontario through the Line 5 pipeline or Russia’s regular manipulation of natural gas exports to extract favours from client nations in Europe.
 

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A few tidbits (archive links provided in case links don't work or if you don't want to link to a Russian server) ....
 

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Talking is better than not talking. So that’s good news for all of us.

I hate to say it, I have more faith that the Russian side will come very prepared with fairly accurate info.

The US side will show up with fairly accurate info, but not a plan with the kind of depth that Russia will have.



Putin didn’t get to where he is because he’s dumb. It’ll be interesting to see how it all falls into place.
 

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Except we aren't smart:

We aren’t even close to smart.

We are the well dressed, articulate person who smiles and shakes hands. Is charismatic and charming, and who makes the company they are with at ease.

But when you take a step back and objectively listen to what that person says, they are dumb as a f**king brick.

I feel like Canada, in it’s current form, is that person. Ontario shouldn’t have to care whether Michigan turns off the oil taps…



And if Ottawa can tell Alberta NOT to build pipelines, can it also not tell Quebec TO build pipelines?

Alberta oil projects are among some of the most environmentally friendly in the world. Were they always? No.

The industry, culture, technology, and regulations have changed drastically since then.

Can Saudi Arabia say the same?
 

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We aren’t even close to smart.

We are the well dressed, articulate person who smiles and shakes hands. Is charismatic and charming, and who makes the company they are with at ease.

But when you take a step back and objectively listen to what that person says, they are dumb as a f**king brick.

I feel like Canada, in it’s current form, is that person. Ontario shouldn’t have to care whether Michigan turns off the oil taps…



And if Ottawa can tell Alberta NOT to build pipelines, can it also not tell Quebec TO build pipelines?

Alberta oil projects are among some of the most environmentally friendly in the world. Were they always? No.

The industry, culture, technology, and regulations have changed drastically since then.

Can Saudi Arabia say the same?
Canada has been played. We have been out maneuvered by US and others interested in Canadian oil remaining in the ground. Using Environmental groups as fronts to stop pipelines and new development. Every time the industry improves they move the goal posts. Railways pay money to environment groups to stop pipelines, SA pays First Nations to stop oil sands development etc. Others pay to stop other development because Canadian oil is sold at a discount into the US. Its a game and we are less than pawns. Behind every "environmental" group or First nations lobby is a international financial backer in the end. We let this happen. Because the power brokers in the big cities are one paid off, two using it as a political wedge, or three true believers and useful idiots.
 

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Mayhaps, but what really can Canada do, other than pursue sanctions, which the Russians will ignore.
Move 1 CBMG to the Ukraine for a Partnership for Peace Exercise.
Sure it would be militarily insignificant, but Russia wouldn't want to do much to a fairly benign NATO country, because of the potential the US and UK would use that as an Article #5
 

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Canada has been played. We have been out maneuvered by US and others interested in Canadian oil remaining in the ground. Using Environmental groups as fronts to stop pipelines and new development. Every time the industry improves they move the goal posts. Railways pay money to environment groups to stop pipelines, SA pays First Nations to stop oil sands development etc. Others pay to stop other development because Canadian oil is sold at a discount into the US. Its a game and we are less than pawns. Behind every "environmental" group or First nations lobby is a international financial backer in the end. We let this happen. Because the power brokers in the big cities are one paid off, two using it as a political wedge, or three true believers and useful idiots.
Part of the problem is we let these groups enjoy non-profit status, if they had to pay tax on the millions in donations, and had to have public record keeping, we could follow the money.
 
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Move 1 CBMG to the Ukraine for a Partnership for Peace Exercise.
Sure it would be militarily insignificant, but Russia wouldn't want to do much to a fairly benign NATO country, because of the potential the US and UK would use that as an Article #5
My emoji says insightful. It was meant vid genius.

Smart strategic play. 👍🏻
 

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My emoji says insightful. It was meant vid genius.

Smart strategic play. 👍🏻
Top it off with a couple ships rotating in and out of Odessa, and some F18s to support 1 CMBG, and you have a potent force
 
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