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Shades of "Buster" Brown.
Colonel James Sutherland Brown (1881 to 1951)
Colonel James Sutherland Brown (1881 to 1951)
U.S. 2012 Election
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cupper said:
That campaign started when Slick Willy Clinton bought a whole bunch of DNC IOU's by backing Obama, a man he despises.
Billy but the bullet and made the case for Obama this year so the Party will owe him and Hillary in 2016.
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Should anyone be surprised anymore? This is maybe not as blatent as Legacy Media cutting away when speakers like Mia Love were speaking at the RNC (and not archiving their speeches either), but it is also harder to counter. Politicians need to have full time recording staff who can release their complete and unedited remarks on YouTube and other sites to preempt selective cutting and pasting. Other forms of manipulation (like denying you said such a thing when it is on record and posted on other sites) will be similarly diminished:
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/19/complete-video-of-romney-missing-1-2-minutes-of-remarks-on-the-47/
But should a Democrat say or do something, lets see how it gets covered:
http://twitchy.com/2012/09/19/lapdogs-spin-mitchell-wont-air-obamas-not-authenticated-except-by-obama-campaign-redistribution-audio/
Note: the odd formatting is due to the inclusion of "tweets" in the blog posting
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/19/complete-video-of-romney-missing-1-2-minutes-of-remarks-on-the-47/
But should a Democrat say or do something, lets see how it gets covered:
http://twitchy.com/2012/09/19/lapdogs-spin-mitchell-wont-air-obamas-not-authenticated-except-by-obama-campaign-redistribution-audio/
Note: the odd formatting is due to the inclusion of "tweets" in the blog posting
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Wow, he doesn't know the national debt is $16 trillion dollars (the figure was reached when the DNC was underway) and pretends that the trillion dollar deficits were not the work of his Administration and the Democrat majority congress. Too bad his nose doesn't grow at the same time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6D55384wiUg
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/09/is-barack-obama-americas-most-dishonest-politician.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+powerlineblog%2Flivefeed+%28Power+Line%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6D55384wiUg
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/09/is-barack-obama-americas-most-dishonest-politician.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+powerlineblog%2Flivefeed+%28Power+Line%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo
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Long article bt the Washington Examiner which finally examines the past of Barrack Obama. Too bad the legacy media didn't do this sort of reporting in, say, 2008.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/introduction-the-obama-you-dont-know/article/2508080#.UFr-ybJ96So
Some highlights:
From the introduction:
“Beyond the spin and polls, a starkly different picture emerges. It is a portrait of a man quite unlike his image, not a visionary reformer, but a classic Chicago machine pol.”
Chapter 1: A childhood of privilege, not hardship
Michelle Obama says “Barack and I were both raised by families who didn’t have much in the way of money or possessions.” In fact, for much of his life, Barack Obama has enjoyed privileges and opportunities denied to most Americans.
Chapter 2: Myth of the ‘rock star’ professor
Though initially popular as a University of Chicago Law School adjunct lecturer, he was not ranking among the top professors, according to student evaluations.
Chapter 3: The 1997 speech that launched Obama
His 2004 Democratic National Convention speech got the big headlines, but a previously unreported 1997 Obama speech did far more to launch him with big backers with big bucks.
Chapter 4: For the slumlord’s defense, Barack Obama, Esq.
It was a frigid January and the slumlord who put his tenants on the street without going through the required eviction process got off with a $50 fine. His lawyer went on to be elected president of the United States.
Chapter 5: Obama’s toughest critics on the Left
Long before he ran for president, radical critics accused Obama of selling out Chicago’s poor to the Daley political machine.
Chapter 6: The poor people Obama left behind
Altgeld Gardens housing advocate Hazel Johnson welcomed the young Obama into her kitchen. Then she never heard from him again after he won his first election.
Chapter 7: The myth of Obama as state senate reformer
When the real reformers asked for his help, State Sen. Barack Obama was nowhere to be found.
Chapter 8: Obama’s state pension fund scheme
It worked for Rev. Jesse Jackson against the Fortune 500, so State Sen. Barack Obama used it to get millions for his friends from Illinois’ biggest public employee pension funds.
Chapter 9: Obama’s Arab-American network
Syrian emigrant Tony Rezko had lots of Arab-American friends in the Chicago business community who shared his enthusiasm for Barack Obama.
Chapter 10: Obama brings Chicago politics to Washington
Surprised by Solyndra? Don’t be, it’s just one of many examples that demonstrate Barack Obama is doing things in Washington the same way he did them in Chicago.
I notice that Redeye is up to his usual attack the messenger song and dance. Notice he does not (because he cannot) deny that there was selective editing applied against Governor Romney. Perhaps if he and others like him were to read the substance of the article there might be some cognitive dissonance.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/introduction-the-obama-you-dont-know/article/2508080#.UFr-ybJ96So
Some highlights:
From the introduction:
“Beyond the spin and polls, a starkly different picture emerges. It is a portrait of a man quite unlike his image, not a visionary reformer, but a classic Chicago machine pol.”
Chapter 1: A childhood of privilege, not hardship
Michelle Obama says “Barack and I were both raised by families who didn’t have much in the way of money or possessions.” In fact, for much of his life, Barack Obama has enjoyed privileges and opportunities denied to most Americans.
Chapter 2: Myth of the ‘rock star’ professor
Though initially popular as a University of Chicago Law School adjunct lecturer, he was not ranking among the top professors, according to student evaluations.
Chapter 3: The 1997 speech that launched Obama
His 2004 Democratic National Convention speech got the big headlines, but a previously unreported 1997 Obama speech did far more to launch him with big backers with big bucks.
Chapter 4: For the slumlord’s defense, Barack Obama, Esq.
It was a frigid January and the slumlord who put his tenants on the street without going through the required eviction process got off with a $50 fine. His lawyer went on to be elected president of the United States.
Chapter 5: Obama’s toughest critics on the Left
Long before he ran for president, radical critics accused Obama of selling out Chicago’s poor to the Daley political machine.
Chapter 6: The poor people Obama left behind
Altgeld Gardens housing advocate Hazel Johnson welcomed the young Obama into her kitchen. Then she never heard from him again after he won his first election.
Chapter 7: The myth of Obama as state senate reformer
When the real reformers asked for his help, State Sen. Barack Obama was nowhere to be found.
Chapter 8: Obama’s state pension fund scheme
It worked for Rev. Jesse Jackson against the Fortune 500, so State Sen. Barack Obama used it to get millions for his friends from Illinois’ biggest public employee pension funds.
Chapter 9: Obama’s Arab-American network
Syrian emigrant Tony Rezko had lots of Arab-American friends in the Chicago business community who shared his enthusiasm for Barack Obama.
Chapter 10: Obama brings Chicago politics to Washington
Surprised by Solyndra? Don’t be, it’s just one of many examples that demonstrate Barack Obama is doing things in Washington the same way he did them in Chicago.
I notice that Redeye is up to his usual attack the messenger song and dance. Notice he does not (because he cannot) deny that there was selective editing applied against Governor Romney. Perhaps if he and others like him were to read the substance of the article there might be some cognitive dissonance.
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Thucydides said:
The selective editing silliness is basically smashed here by MoJo - using sources from Politico etc. And Romney's notably not walking back on his assailing 47% of the American public, which includes a lot of seniors, young families who avail themselves of tax credits and deductions that folks like Ronald Reagan were proud of etc.
I also enjoyed reading how most of these "moochers" live in Red States, which is fitting, because at the federal level when it comes to taxation versus allocation of government spending, Red States mooch off Blue States. Anyhow, here is the piece from MoJo, and remember, no having a go at the messenger, because that's unacceptable, right?
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/09/mitt-romney-says-video-debunked
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Romney's Video-Debunking Claim Is…Debunked
—By David Corn| Wed Sep. 19, 2012 4:00 PM PDT
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This is getting ridiculous.
After Mother Jones posted video of Mitt Romney sharing remarks with millionaire donors that he would never express to voters—noting that nearly half of the American electorate are moochers and that Romney doesn't believe a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is feasible—Romney did not deny he said what he said. As the cliché goes, he doubled down, saying his remarks were inelegant but a reflection of his views about the rapid growth of entitlement programs in the United States. (Actually, this was a bait-and-switch operation. Romney was not talking policy when he disdainfully described half of the citizenry as parasites and victims.)
On Wednesday afternoon, he went further, with his campaign claiming that the video had been "debunked." In lashing out at the Obama campaign, Romney's crew issued this email:
Today, The Obama Campaign Leveled False Attacks Against Mitt Romney Based On A Debunked And Selectively Edited Video:
Today, Obama Campaign Spokesperson Ben LaBolt Attacked Mitt Romney Based On A Debunked Mother Jones Tape. OBAMA CAMPAIGN SPOKESMAN BEN LABOLT: "You heard on the tapes released this week that it's Mitt Romney who would walk away from the peace process." (MSNBC, 9/19/12)
But This Morning, Politico Reported That The Mother Jones Video Was Selectively Edited To Give A False Impression About Mitt Romney’s Views On The Middle East Peace Process. "But the clip initially provided by Mother Jones does not include that part of his remarks, and therefore was not reported by the aforementioned news outlets. Romney's complete remarks about the Mideast peace process were included in the complete video Mother Jones published Tuesday afternoon, less than 24 hours after it released clips from the fundraiser. But the clip posted to the Mother Jones website, which was cited by the national media, cuts out the excerpt in which Romney says that 'American strength, American resolve' will cause the Palestinians to 'some day reach the point where they want peace more than we're trying to force peace on them.'" (Dylan Byers, "Technically, Romney Said Peace Was Possible," Politico, 9/19/12)
The Romney campaign was clearly implying the whole video was rubbish. But there's a slight problem. Politico's Dylan Byers, the source for the debunking charge, quickly noted that he had done no such thing. He wrote:
there is nothing in my report that "debunks" the video.
In his article, posted earlier in the day, Byers had noted how some folks were complaining that we had edited a long clip of Romney talking about the Middle East selectively. In that clip—watch it here—Romney trashed the two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian crisis, said the Palestinians (whom he lumped into one mindset) did not want peace and only sought the destruction of Israel, that he would not actively pursue the peace process and would instead seek to "kick the ball down the field," and that he had paid no real attention when a former secretary of state had told him that peace might be possible in the Middle East.
That is a total diss of the peace process—and would represent a radical break with US policy, which has supported a two-state solution since the Clinton years.
Yet Romney went on to say—and this clip did not include this—that if the United States showed "resolve….the Palestinians will some day reach the point where they want peace more than we're trying to force peace on them." Thus, peace might be theoretically possible at some point in the distance.
This was not a case of selective editing. The point was to show what was newsworthy: Romney breaking with current policy and stating views that he has not stated publicly. (In an interview this summer, he said he supported a two-state solution.) Nevertheless, some Romney backers have cried foul and managed to turn this into a dispute they can use to raise questions about the secret Romney tape.
But don't take my word. Here's more from Byers:
More mysterious still, is why the Romney campaign wants to debunk a video containing remarks that the candidate doubled-down on in a follow-up press conference.
Slate's Dave Weigel has weighed in as well:
By calling the whole tape "debunked" and "selectively edited," the campaign's hewing closer to the Breitbart.com argument -- the real story is liberal media-Obama collusion. And the result is a sort of paradox, in which Romney stands by what he said in a video that you can't trust.
It was bizarre. After Byers and Weigel had debunked the Romney camp's debunking, Byers heard from a Romney aide who said that the campaign only takes issue with the clip regarding Romney's view on the Mideast, not the entire video.
In other words, the Romney campaign walked back the push-back. It's not challenging the "47 percent" material or anything else; only the Mideast remarks. But, as I've said a few thousand times on television these past few days, the wonderful thing about this story is that people can view for themselves. Watch Romney talking about the Mideast, and it's clear he has contempt for the peace process as it has been conceived for years; does not believe it can work; and would chart a radically different course. The few sentences not included in that clip—but which were included in the full transcript and complete tape we released—do not a debunking make. This maneuver smacks of desperation from a campaign hurt by the undeniable words of its candidate.
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Alright, this thread is done until after the election. I'm saving you guys from yourselves as this has been 72 pages of turds swirling in the drain. Go to a U.S. political forum and call out the rednecks/socialists to your heart's content.
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A link from Mr. Campbell.
[quote author=E.R. Campbell]
Hi Bruce
I think this video http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/11/daily-chart-0?fsrc=rss is useful for the locked US Election thread. It is, pretty much, up to the minute and, I think, pretty close to as accurate as the media can be.
Regards
ERC
[/quote]
[quote author=E.R. Campbell]
Hi Bruce
I think this video http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/11/daily-chart-0?fsrc=rss is useful for the locked US Election thread. It is, pretty much, up to the minute and, I think, pretty close to as accurate as the media can be.
Regards
ERC
[/quote]
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A member has asked for the following to be put up for those with some time on their hands:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/11/02/us/politics/paths-to-the-white-house.html?smid=tw-thecaucus
512 ways you can agonize about the coming of <insert political boogyman here>
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/11/02/us/politics/paths-to-the-white-house.html?smid=tw-thecaucus
512 ways you can agonize about the coming of <insert political boogyman here>
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This is a tough one. The polling suggests a dead heat, but is the polling correct?
On the theory that, since conservatives were under-polled in the last Canadian Federal election, lets see if the same is true in the US.
Romney, by a Recount and a Supreme Court decision.
On the theory that, since conservatives were under-polled in the last Canadian Federal election, lets see if the same is true in the US.
Romney, by a Recount and a Supreme Court decision.
OldSolduer
Army.ca Relic
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Obama by a thread.
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Only if Kevin Spacey is available for the sequel.SeaKingTacco said:
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Obama will come out on top. The Republicans have picked a slow horse yet again.
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Obama, but the end result either way is that America itself will be the loser by having to choose between these two.
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Romney to win election ... if Redskins Rule holds true according to this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Toronto Sun
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/11/04/romney-to-win-election--if-redskin-rule-holds-true
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/11/04/romney-to-win-election--if-redskin-rule-holds-true
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