Therapeutic Cannabis use

[PuckChaser]

Until there is proper scientific research done, and safe dosages for THC (if any) or CBD, we're going to continue to hear and see stories like this, especially with veterans being encouraged to self diagnose the need for CBD/THC and pick how much works for them.

 

[the 48th regulator]

Until there is proper scientific research done, and safe dosages for THC (if any) or CBD, we're going to continue to hear and see stories like this, especially with veterans being encouraged to self diagnose the need for CBD/THC and pick how much works for them.

There is research out there, otherwise Health Canada would not approve this whole system.

Wouldn't you agree?

 

[the 48th regulator]

Until there is proper scientific research done, and safe dosages for THC (if any) or CBD, we're going to continue to hear and see stories like this, especially with veterans being encouraged to self diagnose the need for CBD/THC and pick how much works for them.

Israel is A Medical Cannabis Research Mecca

 

[gryphonv]

My understanding from previous experience is no two strains are the same.

So the big question is how regulated is the potency of the 'pot'. And what kinds of safety protocols are employed to ensure the THC and other chemicals are within certain ranges?

There seems to be a lot more study needed and regulation before someone can say '10' is too much. Because one 10 ≠ 10 in most cases.

To me it just seems like someone trying to score political points.

 

[3VPspecialty]

Once the issue of marijuana legality is dealt with we will see a big jump in the ability to correctly test and monitor the products being put out.

 

[PuckChaser]

Once the issue of marijuana legality is dealt with we will see a big jump in the ability to correctly test and monitor the products being put out.

Cart before the horse. Make it schedule 2 so the testing restrictions are reduced and let proper medicines be derived with research outline adverse reactions, dosages, and long term effects. Then you can work on  making it legally available as a medication like any other treatment you would get from a doctor. Why we are allowing bloggers to tell people how much and what strains to smoke is beyond me...

 

[AbdullahD]

Cart before the horse. Make it schedule 2 so the testing restrictions are reduced and let proper medicines be derived with research

Good point, but Marijuana is already legal in other countries so could the research not already have happened in those respective countries? (I honestly do not know how much has been done)

Legality by country;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_country

60 peer reviewed studies
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000884

Webmd article linking other studies
http://www.m.webmd.com/pain-management/features/medical-marijuana-research-web

outline adverse reactions,

This link leads to other links in the writing
https://www.leafly.ca/news/health/a-guide-to-cannabis-allergies-and-symptoms

2013 study on cannabis allergens
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3726218/

dosages,

Dosage is a case by case thing in my opinion.. can not find to much on this..

http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2007/06/16/5024

In the millligrams potentially?
http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/exercise/get-high-train-harder-20141113

and long term effects.

Negative article
https://www.statnews.com/2016/08/15/medical-marijuana-study-staci-gruber/

Wiki
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_cannabis

It seems like the medical effects physically are bad... but on the psychological side if it is helping something way worse.. it could be a fair trade.

Also for comparison
http://www.livestrong.com/article/79119-longterm-effects-taking-oxycodone/

http://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/what_are_the_real_risks_of_antidepressants

Then you can work on  making it legally available as a medication like any other treatment you would get from a doctor. Why we are allowing bloggers to tell people how much and what strains to smoke is beyond me...

I recently skimmed John Tescione's thread... and I am on board with it being used as a medicine. Hell compared to what is already out there.. this is nothing. And sorry Puck I am not coming after you here, this is just a neat rabbit hole to go running down... the intersection of personal testimony saying it works vs academic research is very neat, neat enough for me at least lol. So you posted something that I was already doing so I used it so I could reply without spamming

Abdullah

Ps Universities getting involved or are involved
http://www.universityaffairs.ca/news/news-article/medical-marijuana-a-growing-field-for-university-researchers-in-canada/

University of Massachusetts partner
http://www.maps.org/research/mmj/mmj-news

Okay I best stop.. apparently there is a ton of research that is done or being done on this subject.

 

[3VPspecialty]

Cart before the horse. Make it schedule 2 so the testing restrictions are reduced and let proper medicines be derived with research outline adverse reactions, dosages, and long term effects. Then you can work on  making it legally available as a medication like any other treatment you would get from a doctor. Why we are allowing bloggers to tell people how much and what strains to smoke is beyond me...

I mean just basic quantitative testing. And not just on the medical side of marijuana, since it's the wild west when it comes to "medical dispensaries" right now most people are guesstimating on the % of thc / cbd in products. Don't even get started on edibles, that's a shot in the dark anytime you test the waters with them. Mind you only the plant matter is allowed under VAC. So right now it wouldn't matter on that side of the fence but I think just for the safety of anyone involved we need better testing / regulations

Also we have bloggers mentioning strains and % to take because it's also a recreational drug and has been used for many many years that there is some basic knowledge when it comes to using the product. It's the way it is, and if you've ever used the website erowid you will know that even bloggers talking about experiences with drugs can help you better understand what you are getting at.

 

[Lightguns]

No doubt too much, Oromocto is awash in pot and the pot dealers are beginning to complain. 

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

There is research out there, otherwise Health Canada would not approve this whole system.

Wouldn't you agree?

You mean the same Health Canada who approves all those other drugs you rail against?  Can't have it both ways...

 

[the 48th regulator]

You mean the same Health Canada who approves all those other drugs you rail against?  Can't have it both ways...

I don't understand your statement.

Please elaborate.

 

[Staff Weenie]

One of the issues I see, is that while there may well be very real benefits to THC, which can outweigh the risks of long term use, the hard science just isn't completely there yet, and may not be for a long time (yes, there is research being done - but not on a very large scale).

The problem as I perceive it, is that is takes a huge amount of research to push any new drug through all the required levels of clinical trials. That costs an immense sum of money. Even Universities latch onto that gravy train to keep departments gainfully employed - so is their research truly unbiased at that point? For a large pharmaceutical company, which stands to make billions over decades from sales, it can still be worth it - Viagra is a great example of a drug which wasn't really needed in the quantity it is prescribed and used, but was marketed with a slick campaign of convincing people they needed it, and it's making billions!

The problem with pot, is anybody can grow it in their house or yard, so how much money does a company like Pfizer stand to make off of pot? If they can't make billions, why would a large company care to do the research and clinical trials. In fact, they have a vested interest in blocking the development and research. Whether they are that nefarious, I don't know, but it would not surprise me to see if there are campaign donations to politicians who oppose pot.....

This leaves responsible clinicians who want to stick to evidence-based medicine in a quandary.

My concern overall is not the pharmaceuticals or the pot - it's what gives our people true long term recovery - and end to the nightmares, anxiety, depression, etc. I don't want to see our people drugged senseless, or high as a kite for the rest of their lives. That, to me, is the real problem - we're covering symptom relief, but not true long-term recovery. All of this is only getting us part way to a solution.

 

[the 48th regulator]

Hey all sorry for double posting this link, as I have added it to the Medical Cannabis for Canadian Veterans thread. It is a very good resource from Health Canada explaining Medical Cannabis in Canada and I think can be useful for this thread.

Understanding the New Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes Regulations

 

[the 48th regulator]

Excellent article detailing the Research being done by Israel.

http://army.ca/forums/threads/123208/post-1461090.html#msg1461090

 

[mariomike]

Veterans in N.L. fear stricter medical marijuana limits
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/veterans-nl-medical-marijuana-1.3869886
Ryan Edwards says many veterans need marijuana every day to function

Ryan Edwards, the president of Marijuana for Trauma in St. John's, is a veteran with post-traumatic stress disorder, who credits cannabis with saving his life.

The head of the Newfoundland and Labrador chapter of Marijuana for Trauma says new federal regulations announced  to scale back marijuana coverage for veterans are a bad idea.

Ryan Edwards told CBC Radio's St. John's Morning Show on Friday that the federal government's plan to scale back the reimbursement limit for medical marijuana from 10 grams a day to three in May 2017 is short-sighted.

As President of Marijuana for Trauma in N.L., Edwards helps veterans learn about the benefits of marijuana to treat PTSD and teaches them how to file the proper paperwork to qualify for coverage.

He spent nearly 14 years in the Canadian Forces, was diagnosed with PTSD,  and retired from the military in 2009.

"A lot of clients right now are in a high state of distress, they're worried about how they're going to function with the lower dosage," said Edwards.


"They need that every single day to function, just to go to the grocery store, just to go to the post office, to spend time with their children."

"They're not stoned, they're medicated."

Edwards said that while 10 grams of marijuana coverage may seem large to people who don't rely on medical marijuana, it's really quite normal.

"There's a thing called functional dose that you have to reach and smoking one gram, two grams a day is not going to get you your functional dose, you're going to remain being stoned. You're not going to properly medicate," he said.


"The higher the dose, the more cannabinoids are in your body, the more even you feel."

Plans to fight decision to lower limit

Edwards said medical marijuana use helped him escape the throes of prescription drugs.


"I was taking 15 different pharmaceuticals every single day for about five years."


"Side effects keep compounding and you're essentially just a walking zombie."

That type of use is typical for the veterans who come to Marijuana for Trauma, said Edwards, and he worries that if the dosage is lowered, more veterans might rely more on prescription drugs.

But his group of marijuana advocates isn't planning to accept the new regulations without protest.

He said Marijuana for Trauma founder Fabian Henry is planning a march from Oromocto, N.B. to Parliament Hill in May, and plans to make it the largest peer-supported rally in Canada's history.

There's also talk of a constitutional challenge, said Edwards.

He said the decision to cut the limit of reimbursable marijuana coverage for veterans is just another sign of the federal government's mistreatment of veterans.

"The government of Canada would save money with all veterans being deceased," said Edwards.

"They don't want us to live a long prosperous life, they want to cut off our benefits at any given point, they want to get you back to the workforce right away and they don't want to really support us."

 

[Jarnhamar]

:nod:

 

[the 48th regulator]

The government is trying to murder vets!
Lets fight to raise the daily allotment to 20 grams a day.

Stop being an ass, you are mocking Veterans, and their wellbeing.

 

[Journeyman]

Hey all sorry for double posting this link, as I have added it to the Medical Cannabis for Canadian Veterans thread.

So why do we have two threads on the same topic?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

So why do we have two threads on the same topic?

I agree. Shut this one down. People aren't ready to discuss this seriously. Too many physically and mentally unaffected that think that they are being funny, smart or clever by half.

I use it.  My well being, physically and mentally, and that of my family is better for it.

So guess what? It works and if people don't like it, too bad. If they can't look passed their biases and approach things with an open mind, I don't care because I'm getting better and those that nay say my medications have gone beyond my range of hearing.

 

[Journeyman]

People aren't ready to discuss this seriously.

No, two people -- you and John -- are pre-emptively taking offence at anything  said that isn't 100% cheerleading for you.

If you can't address the topic without being hyper-sensitive, then just back away and let an unbiased Mod deal with it, and judge any postings (for or against) accordingly.



Personally, I'm a fan of medicinal marijuana.  Does my opinion matter?  Not even a tiny bit; but I'm OK with that.