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The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

lenaitch

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But there probably would be an F-35 solo demo plane, like what we have now with the CF-18.

I am assuming that a future CF-35 demo flight won't have the special paint and graphics that changes every year.
Nope. The 22 is a ballet with some Zoom.
I saw the demo team in Chile several year ago. 180 turns on a dime, near hover pivots and then turn 90 to the sky hit burner and disappear upwards.

It was the first time I had ever been in total awe at an aircraft capability. It seemed unreal.

Although I have not seen one, no doubt it is an impressive airframe, but ballet typically is a troupe, so I prefer multiple aircraft in close formation to demonstrate flying skills.


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I know little of the process, but doesn't being a member of the 'partnership' mean that we pay the current set price/aircraft? Also, I read somewhere that being a member of the partnership precluded us from negotiating additional industrial offsets. If either/both of these are true, what in the world would 'final negotiations' that will apparently take a minimum of seven months entail? I can't image a whole lot of 'Canadianization' - which we love to do - or a ton of options, beyond perhaps the drag chute that was developed for Norway. There was some talk about a probe for the A model but don't know if that went anywhere.
 

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Negotiations could include sequencing of deliveries, ancillary equipment, training slots, permanently posting pilots as instructors to training establishments... (Note that this is my conjecture, I haven't seen any specifics).

Lots of small details that will have to be ironed out.
 

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Except that from an operations point of view, we’re a decade behind our allies. We have 0 experience in employing 5th Gen platforms.
Hence my lost opportunity cost comment. One hand giveth (unintentionally) and the other taketh away (intentionally).

There are costs that are not maintenance/maturity related and understand there is a lot of work and costs to catch up.

Same situation with a lot of our equipment/experience. I expect the various RPAS programs will have the same sort of gap in usage problems.
 

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I can't image a whole lot of 'Canadianization' - which we love to do - or a ton of options, beyond perhaps the drag chute that was developed for Norway. There was some talk about a probe for the A model but don't know if that went anywhere.
There is no point in getting a probe-equipped aircraft. The A330 will be fitted with both refueling systems and US tankers used for NORAD can either be fitted with a drogue OR a boom (some can be dual use but they are few and far between), not both, which really is a problem when conducting NORAD operations with the US. We need almost twice as many tankers…
 

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What about the loss of X% of talent - in terms of pilots/ground crew - who made the decision to leave over the last decade, who might have stayed, because they didn't see the future containing us flying the F-35?

I never heard of technicians leaving because the gov didn't commit to the F-35. Fighter base location out in the sticks, along with all the issues surrounding it and discussed ad nauseum, was always a contributing factor. No new fighter will solve the retention issue, it might help, but there are bigger fish to fry.
 

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I am assuming that a future CF-35 demo flight won't have the special paint and graphics that changes every year.


Although I have not seen one, no doubt it is an impressive airframe, but ballet typically is a troupe, so I prefer multiple aircraft in close formation to demonstrate flying skills.
The F-22 demo team flew 6 AC when I saw it, blew anything I have seen from the Snowbirds, Thunderbirds, or Blue Angles away - the ability for the aircraft to almost hover in one spot - then then do acrobatics including pivot turns while wing to wing is insane.

Seeing a lot of other AC do things makes me really sad we didn't make at least double the amount of F-22's, F/A-XX NGASF has some pretty big shoes to fill when it comes on line.
 

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The F-22 demo team flew 6 AC when I saw it..... then then do acrobatics including pivot turns while wing to wing is insane.

6 F-22s in formation at an air display? I didn't know that was even a thing.
 

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6 F-22s in formation at an air display? I didn't know that was even a thing.
Sometimes the USAF likes to brag /power project. It was a Military show in Chile. The whole inventory of craft came down. Thunderbirds demo was right after. People actually ignored most of it.
 

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Sometimes the USAF likes to brag /power project. It was a Military show in Chile. The whole inventory of craft came down. Thunderbirds demo was right after. People actually ignored most of it.
Ahhhhh….FIDAE. Good times, and a great show!
 

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