The New C9a2

[KevinB]

The folder and K grip where tested on RotoII

1 / PL
The only bitches I heard on the folder was it added abou 2" to the length making shooting with an open telestock a no go (not that it really mattered.)

 

[Britney Spears]

The only bitches I heard on the folder was it added abou 2" to the length making shooting with an open telestock a no go (not that it really mattered.)

It seems the obvious solution would be to make the butt 2" shorter, or better yet, adopt a multi position telestock? Or is this some kind of trick question?

 

[MJP]

*KevinB posting on MJP's login...
The entire idea was to use the issue C8 telestock - and it work extremely well on the C9A2 - however the folder modification adds 2" to this.  SO unless you are 6'8" you will highly unlikley ever have to extend the butt.

Furthermore this is using the folder/collapsible with Gen3 with plates - without you will able to extend the buttstock to keep a simialr checkweld

 

[Britney Spears]

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[KevinB]

No problem

Mike told me not to post with his loggin but I was to lazy to log him off - I half expected him to delete the post.

 

[MJP]

Well you didn't slag anyone or send any emails to the CDS on my login so I kept it up....

 

[KevinB]

Check your sent box  ;D

  Dear Sir,

You are a....

 

[Bartok5]

Dear Sir,

You are a....

Hey!  As a "sir", I resemble that remark....  You are a decidedly hurtful individual....

As a rebuttal, I offer the following:  "As I wipe the tears from my eyes, I steel my fragile psyche to embark upon a crusade of merciless retribution against those who would dare besmirch my honour"

That's right Kevin - you are in a world of (admittedly feeble) hurt starting right now!!! 

Oooohhhh - I wouldn't want to be you.......

 

[Infanteer]

???

You're the CDS, Mark C?

 

[KevinB]

I guess you got "Mike's" #CTC email...

;D


LOL

 

[Freddy Chef]

If I remember correctly from a website about the miniguns (M-134), the miniguns were tested in Vietnam but were deemed too heavy and unwieldy.  Also the purpose of the minigun is to seriously saturate the air with rounds with an incredibly high firing rate, so you would probably be stumbling around with way too much ammo to carry as well as a heavy power supply.  Add that with a firing rate that high, you'd probably wind up on your butt spinning around and chopping your fireteam/section to pieces. 

I'd like to see a minigun though used as the M2 is used though, as a stationary tripod weapon carried by la section.

As for the Predator one, there's a site out there that tells you how they did it.  What it consisted of was the modified M-134 replica and power cables dragging behind Ventura.

This one? http://world.guns.ru/machine/minigun-e.htm

Vehicle mounted M-134 is the only way it can get its power supply, and a means to carry its ammunition.

I recall seeing various photos of miniguns mounted on top of some M113 APCs from the vietnam era, seems like it would be a rather effective, if not incredibly inefficient.

M-134 was mounted on M113's (Vietnam) in the anti-aircraft role. Similar to these LAV Anti-Aircraft vehicles:

http://www.mowag.ch/Images/Bildergalerie/Piranha/Piranha%20II/Version8x8/8x8-II_24.jpg

http://www.mowag.ch/Images/Bildergalerie/Piranha/Piranha%20II/Version8x8/8x8-II_25.jpg

[Couldn't find pics M113 Anti-Aircraft/M113 Vulcan]

*KevinB posting on MJP's login...
The entire idea was to use the issue C8 telestock - and it work extremely well on the C9A2 - however the folder modification adds 2" to this.  SO unless you are 6'8" you will highly unlikley ever have to extend the butt...

[http://www.gun-world.net/fn/minimi/c9.htm]

Butt telescoped
http://army.ca/cgi-bin/album.pl?photo=Weapons/C9A2_1.jpg

Butt retracted
http://www.gun-world.net/fn/minimi/c9a2_2.jpg

Butt retracted and folded
http://www.gun-world.net/fn/minimi/c9a2-s1.jpg
http://www.gun-world.net/fn/minimi/c9a2-s2.jpg


The butt fully telescoped was too long for practicality, eh?

 

[KevinB]

Freddy,

I guess you have not shot it...

with the stock closed the gun is about as good for a gunfight in an elevator.

My point was that with the telestock-folder the foldign mechanism adds an extra 2" of length the the stock (when it is open) as a result the gun gets shot with the telestock closed but the folder open (get my drift?)

I then added though this is usign the Gen III PBA and plates in...
so w/o you might have to extend the tele.

In summation I think we coudl have made a slimmer profle folding system - with a better (and less obtrusive) latch system..

 

[Freddy Chef]

...I guess you have not shot it...

No.

The last LMG I ever touched, did IA's on, was the C9A1, back in 2000.

...My point was that with the telestock-folder the foldign mechanism adds an extra 2" of length the the stock (when it is open) as a result the gun gets shot with the telestock closed but the folder open (get my drift?)...

The â Å“hingeâ ?  takes up space. OK. Got it. Thank you.

 

[KevinB]

Yes the hinge -
While I think I write very elloquently, and provide detailed comments, I do seem to miss the main part from some of my intended remarks, and go off on tangents [or just don't have enough clarity with the writen word (I see exactly what I am refering to quite well in my mind - its your fault for not understanding  )] .

Cheers

 

[Argyll]

Is that 5.56 and 7.62 FX ammo?  Do we have that?

 

[soldiers301]

C9, C9A1 and C9A2 are 5.56mm (NATO). The C6 is 7.62mm (NATO). The C7, C7A1 and C7A2 are 5.56mm(NATO) too.

 

[KevinB]

Is that 5.56 and 7.62 FX ammo?   Do we have that?

Yes it is now in the system