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The Mega "MIGRANT THREAT TO EUROPE" thread

Jarnhamar

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Oldgateboatdriver said:
You're getting worse than my wife:
You should send her on a trip over to Germany alone to prove how silly shes being.
 

Oldgateboatdriver

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As a matter of fact, Jarnhamar, she actually travels to Germany for her job at least once a year, usually more. And when there, uses the local transit system, etc. She speaks German at a functional level and for looks, would pass for a native.

And I would not want to be the guy who tried anything on her ... if he lived to see the next day. Hell hath no fury like my wife's hand-to-hand combat.

 

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Oldgateboatdriver said:
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And I would not want to be the guy who tried anything on her ... if he lived to see the next day. Hell hath no fury like my wife's hand-to-hand combat.

And yet

Oldgateboatdriver said:
I think she is beginning to feel that venturing anywhere out of North America is impossible

Just maybe she's on to something ;)


Really though you have to admit the stories filtering out of Europe are pretty serious. I'd say the only thing more serious is the organized attempt to hide them.
 

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The organized attempts to hide things are now in high gear, as various social media platforms like FaceBook are busy taking down anything which can fall under nebulously defined "hate speech". The video of a young German girl explaining how she is now living in fear is a prime example of what is being targeted, but there are also examples on this thread of things like police reports being classified, no more announcements of buildings being designated as Refugee welcome centers (the ones which are designated burn down with alarming frequency) and a blackout in crime reporting on names or identities of criminals, lest the fact that some of them are refugee/migrants be revealed.

I suspect this is counter productive, rather than diffusing anger it will bottle it up like building a head of steam in a boiler with the emergency releif valve blocked or disabled. The end results will not be pretty.
 

Colin Parkinson

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yes they are feeding and preparing the ground for the very groups of far-far right nationalists that they are trying to counter.
 

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As if things could not get any worse, now threatening to punish people for protecting themselves. The ultra-left nativist parities will have  field day with stories like this:

http://www.thelocal.dk/20160126/danish-teen-fought-off-her-attacker-with-pepper-spray-now-shell-face-fine

Danish teen fought off her attacker - now she'll face fine
Published: 26 Jan 2016 15:34 GMT+01:00

A 17-year-old girl who was physically and sexually attacked in Sønderborg will herself face charges for using pepper spray to fend off her assailant.

Danish nightclub accused of 'pure racism' (20 Jan 16)
Danish women report harassment by refugees (13 Jan 16)

The teenager told police that she was attacked in central Sønderborg on Wednesday at around 10pm by a dark-skinned English-speaking man. She said the man knocked her to the ground and then unbuttoned her pants and attempted to undress her.

The girl was able to save herself from further assault by using pepper spray on the attacker, but now she may be the one who ends up in legal trouble.

“It is illegal to possess and use pepper spray, so she will likely be charged for that,” local police spokesman Knud Kirsten told TV Syd.

The case has sparked a backlash among some Danes who point to increasing reports of sexual harassment in Sønderborg and other Danish cities at the same time that police say they are stretched too thin to properly carry out their duties.

Numerous readers wrote in the comments section on TV Syd’s story about the incident that they would be willing to pay the girl’s fine, which will most likely be 500 kroner.

The man who attacked the 17-year-old fled from the scene and has not been charged.

Sexual assaults have been in the news in Sønderborg recently after several women in the town reported earlier this month that they sometimes feel harassed by the aggressive behaviour of some male asylum seekers and refugees at the local asylum centre.

It is not known, however, if the assailant in this latest incident was an asylum seeker or refugee.

In related news, a nightclub in Sønderborg is now barring guests from entering if they cannot speak Danish, English or German. Other Danish nightclubs are also reportedly considering similar moves.

Note to readers: Due to a translation error, the story originally described the attacker as "wearing dark clothing" when in fact he was described as being "dark-skinned". We regret the error.
 

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35425735

This should prove interesting:

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Sweden to expel up to 80,000 failed asylum-seekers

Sweden expects to expel up to 80,000 asylum-seekers whose applications have been rejected, the country's interior minister has announced.

Anders Ygeman said that charter aircraft would be used to deport the migrants over several years.

"We are talking about 60,000 people but the number could climb to 80,000," Mr Ygeman told Swedish media.

Some 163,000 migrants applied for asylum in Sweden in 2015, the highest per capita number in Europe.

Of the approximately 58,800 cases processed last year, 55% were accepted.

Earlier on Wednesday, Greece's government responded to allegations in a draft European Commission report that it had "seriously neglected" its obligations to control the external frontier of Europe's passport-free Schengen zone.

Greek government spokeswoman Olga Gerovasili accused the Commission of "blame games" and said it had failed to act on a programme agreed last year to relocate tens of thousands of migrants and refugees stranded in Greece.

Where Europe is failing on migrants

  • The 28 member states have not agreed on an EU-wide mechanism for relocating migrants, meant to ease the burden on Greece and Italy. Only small groups have been relocated so far - and several states in Central and Eastern Europe refuse to accept migrants
  • The Schengen agreement on freedom of movement is in jeopardy - Hungary fenced off its borders with Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia; meanwhile Germany, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and France also reimposed border controls
  • The Dublin regulation, under which refugees are required to claim asylum in the member state in which they first arrive, is not working effectively. Countries are no longer sending back migrants to their first point of entry to the EU
  • Thousands of migrants - many of them Syrian war refugees - still arrive daily from Turkey
  • Processing of asylum applications is slow and there is a big backlog - so reception centres are overcrowded
  • Germany - the main destination for migrants - is rethinking its open-door policy, partly because of outrage over assaults on women in Cologne at New Year

Sweden earlier this week became the latest of a number of European nations to see tensions over migrants heightened by violence. A 15-year-old asylum seeker was arrested in Molndal, near Gothenburg, after a 22-year-old asylum centre employee was stabbed to death.

Migration officials say 35,400 unaccompanied minors sought asylum in Sweden in 2015, five times the number in 2014.

In neighbouring Denmark, meanwhile, the government this week approved legislation to seize the valuables of refugees in the hope of limiting the influx of migrants.

Some have likened the Danish proposals to the confiscation of gold and other valuables from Jews by the Nazis during the Holocaust.

Maps and more on LINK.
 
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It looks as if the pot has finally boiled over in Sweden.  This may snowball.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423968/Mobs-hundreds-masked-men-rampage-Stockholm-central-station-beating-refugee-children.html
 

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And now using manipulation of the media to attempt to stymie government anti terrorism efforts. Look for more of that over here as well:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12132054/Organised-campaign-to-hobble-anti-terror-fight.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Muslim extremists' 'campaign of lies' to undermine the government's fight against terror
Activists spreading fear and confusion among Muslims over ministers' Prevent policy
Andrew Gilligan By Andrew Gilligan10:49PM GMT 30 Jan 2016

An organised campaign to undermine Britain’s fight against terrorism can be revealed today.
Islamist activists linked to Cage, a group known to sympathise with terrorists, are using coordinated leaks to mainstream news organisations, including the BBC, to spread fear and confusion in Muslim communities about the Government’s anti-terror policy, Prevent.
'To inoculate children against radicalisation, teachers need to encourage free-flowing debate inside schools...'

Investigations by the Telegraph reveal that several widely reported recent stories about Prevent are false or exaggerated – and many of the supposedly “ordinary Muslim” victims are in fact activists in the campaign, known as Prevent Watch. The stories include a claim which became a cause célèbre for Prevent’s opponents – that a Muslim schoolboy from London was “interrogated like a criminal” for using the phrase “ecoterrorism” in class.

The boy’s mother, Ifhat Smith, who took the story to the media, presented herself as a traumatised ordinary Londoner. She is in fact an activist in the Prevent Watch campaign and a key figure in the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, which believes in replacing secular democratic government with Islamic government.

In a “scathing” court judgment to be published shortly, Mrs Smith’s legal claim against her son’s school and the Government has been dismissed as baseless and she has been ordered to pay £1,000 for wasting court time.

In November, the BBC reported that the east London council of Waltham Forest had mistakenly released the first names of some primary school pupils thought at risk of radicalisation.

The release came as the result of a parent’s Freedom of Information Act request for correspondence about Prevent. The parent concerned, Haras Ahmed, described Prevent as “a disaster from start to finish”, and said he was “appalled [that] children’s data, such sensitive data, are released.”

However, a council spokesman said that the names had been blocked out in the release sent to Mr Ahmed but that the information sent had been “manipulated by a third party to reveal the blocked-out names.”

• Children 'profiled' with 'counter extremism' questionnaire
• Extremist 'infiltration' in hospitals, schools and civil service to be investigated

In the coverage, Mr Ahmed presented himself as merely an ordinary parent. However, he is also an activist in Prevent Watch. An online search would have revealed that he was listed to speak at a meeting with the group only four days after the story aired.

Prevent Watch heavily promoted a BBC story about a Muslim boy in Accrington, Lancashire, whose family was supposedly visited by police under Prevent after he wrote at school that he lived in a “terrorist house,” a misspelling of terraced house.

Police said the visit had nothing to do with Prevent, terrorism, or the spelling mistake and was, in fact, carried out because the child also alleged that he was the victim of a violent assault. Clive Grunshaw, the Lancashire police and crime commissioner, has complained to the BBC about the story.

The corporation and other media outlets have issued corrections but Prevent Watch continues to promote the false story on its website and Twitter feed. “Extremists and terrorist sympathisers are using the media to make it harder for the authorities to fight terrorism,” said Hannah Stuart, research fellow at the counter-extremism think tank the Henry Jackson Society.

“Journalists need to check basic facts and ask simple questions about the identity and motivations of the people making these claims, otherwise Prevent Watch and Cage will be allowed to continue frightening and alienating Muslims with their campaign of lies.”

Prevent Watch’s website includes other cases which have nothing to do with Prevent. They include an account of how a female student, “HH,” felt offended when a lecturer made a joke about her joining Isil, and how a schoolgirl, “SA,” felt offended when her teacher posed questions to the class about democracy and British institutions. It also claims as “victimisation” a number of cases where a Prevent referral was clearly warranted, including that of a law student, “DF,” who was later convicted of terrorism offences.

Prevent Watch is linked to Cage, which notoriously defended “Jihadi John”, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant killer, and is described as an “apologist for terrorism” by Boris Johnson. Prevent Watch has links to Mend, an extremist front group which wants to let Muslims fight in Syria.

At a rally in Waltham Forest later this week, Mrs Smith and Mr Ahmed will share a platform with Jahangir Mohammed, a Cage activist, regular speaker at its events and co-author of at least three reports for Cage, one of which described Prevent as a “cradle-to-grave police state.”

Mr Mohammed wrote an article in the Socialist Worker for Cage, blaming the security services for the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby and saying that “if anyone radicalised [the killer Michael Adebolajo], it was them.” There is no suggestion that Mrs Smith or Mr Ahmed are supporters of terrorism.

Another speaker at Wednesday’s rally will be Weyman Bennett, a hard-Left activist who has falsely claimed that Prevent criminalises any opponent of the Government, stating that “if you question Cameron, you are a non-violent extremist.” Alex Kenny, a member of the NUT's ruling national executive, will also speak.

As The Telegraph revealed last week, Mr Kenny and other NUT leaders and activists in east London are working with Cage and Mend to undermine Prevent, even though teachers have a legal duty to safeguard pupils from extremism. Rob Ferguson, an NUT activist, orchestrated a statement which falsely claimed that Prevent has caused attempts to ban school prayers and targeted young people “for the views they hold on issues such as government foreign policy.” The NUT has refused to take action against him.

Kevin Courtney, deputy general secretary of the NUT, said: “It is quite correct to raise any legitimate concerns about the Prevent strategy that could result in unintended negative consequences. To inoculate children against radicalisation, teachers need to encourage free-flowing debate inside schools, but one concern is that children will be reported over things they say which are not of an extremist nature.”

Prevent Watch’s website and Twitter feed quote many false and inflammatory statements about Prevent, including a claim that “a child simply praying has now become an act that requires state surveillance and intervention.” The group describes as “excellent” a guide by the National Union of Students which claims that even feeling “anxious or reserved in class,” having “a desire for political or moral change,” or “questioning western media reporting” makes students “liable to court-sanctioned accusations of radicalisation”.

None of these are grounds for intervention and few real Prevent interventions are directly police led. As with the child in the “eco-terrorist” incident, most incidents are resolved quickly and informally at school level. Others may involve a referral to Channel, a mentoring programme run by Muslim civilians in which participation is voluntary.

Prevent Watch claims that Prevent “singles out” Muslims because it is “racist”. Almost all terrorist plots and attacks in Great Britain over the last ten years have involved Muslims, and all those who have joined Isil are Muslim. However, only 56 per cent of those referred for Channel interventions are Muslim.

A spokesman said: "Prevent Watch has supported over 130 cases where people have been adversely impacted by Prevent. Only a small selection are documented on our website. Our case studies provide the evidence base to the 360 leading Professors, Academics, professionals in Terrorism and community leaders who have signed on open letter, available on our website, calling for the end of Prevent."
Mrs Smith, the mother in the “eco-terrorist” case, told BBC Radio London that what happened to her son was the act of a “police state” with the boy “interrogated,” “treated as a criminal” and “targeted because he was a Muslim.”

However the judgment against her, described as “scathing” by two counter-extremism officials who have seen it, says the school acted properly. It finds that the supposed “interrogation” of the teenager using “police state” and “criminal” methods was conducted by two school staff on school premises, had nothing to do with the criminal justice system or police, and lasted ten minutes. No further action was taken and the boy returned to classes normally. In a strong rebuke to Mrs Smith, the judge required her to pay £1,000 of the other side’s costs, the sources said.

One counter-extremism source said: “It is hard to believe a professional solicitor allowed her to bring this absurd action. What she was asking for is for the Department for Education to suspend all engagement with the Prevent agenda because it was ‘discriminatory’ against Muslims. When you see Muslims all over the country being radicalised, who is Prevent supposed to be for?”

It can also be revealed that Mrs Smith, also known as Ifhat Shaheen or Ifhat Shaheen-Smith, is - or was until at least September 2014 - in charge of the London office of Ennadha, the Muslim Brotherhood’s Tunisian branch.

In 2014 Ennadha, through Mrs Smith, hired an American PR firm, Burston-Marsteller. Under the United States’ Foreign Agents Registration Act, the firm is required to submit details of its foreign clients. Mrs Smith’s role as head of Ennadha’s London office is shown in documents filed under the Act at the US Treasury.

An official British Government review last month found that the “secretive” Brotherhood “was prepared to countenance violence - including, from time to time, terrorism” to achieve its aims and said that its affiliates in the UK had “consistently opposed programmes by successive Governments to prevent terrorism.” Many Brotherhood members, the review said, claim that “the attacks on 9/11 were fabricated by the US, and the so-called ‘war on terrorism’ is a pretext to attack Muslims.”

The review said that British members of the Brotherhood explicitly “anticipated the forthcoming ‘victory’ of Islam over capitalist democracy” and condemned “aspects of Muslim Brotherhood ideology and tactics in this country” as “contrary to our national security.”
 

a_majoor

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Sometimes you have to make the "least worst choice". Ending the open borders in the EUZone will be costly for certain, but the costs of dealing with a parasitic migrant population which has no intention of assimilating or contributing will be exponentially greater:

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/02/04/cost-of-shutting-schengen-over-e100b/

Cost of Shutting Schengen: Over €100B

In the wake of an unprecedented migrant crisis, many European nations have shuttered their borders, and some, such as Germany, are considering keeping them shut for up to two years. That move would amount to the de facto end of the open-borders Schengen Zone scheme, at least for the near future, and would carry serious costs. Reuters UK reports:

A permanent return to frontier controls in Europe would cost countries in the Schengen open-borders area about 110 billion euros (83 billion pounds) over the next decade, the French government’s official think-tank said on Wednesday. [. . .]

A study by France Strategie, a think-tank directly attached to the prime minister’s office, said the drop in cross-border tourism and trade brought on by a permanent end of the free-travel area would cost Europe 0.8 percent of economic output over 10 years.

Schengen is often hailed as a great success for peace and soft power, a policy that builds ties between nations that used to fight each other by allowing easy tourism—and so forth. And it does. But at its core, the Schengen system is one of the EU’s most important economic tools. Consider the industrial cities of Liege, Maastricht, and Aaachen. All three lie about 20 miles apart from one another. Yet because the first is in Belgium, the second in the Netherlands, and the third in Germany, crossing between them for meetings, deliveries, or even just a shopping trip would, without Schengen, involve multiple border checks. Multiply these inefficiencies by the number of similar such situations in Europe—44 percent of Luxembourg’s workforce is made up of commuters from other countries—and you have a serious economic cost associated with border controls.

This seems to be borne out by economic studies. The WSJ reports on figures from the European Commission:


The commission, the bloc’s executive arm, has calculated that the delay encountered by road-transport operations alone would amount to €3 billion per year, assuming each truck crosses one border and has an additional waiting time of one hour.

The commission also said the approximate cost for the express-parcels industry alone could be more than €80 million a year.The commission’s spokesman said on Wednesday that in-house think tank EPSC would come forward with an estimate of the total cost in the near future.

And, as the FT notes, “Several academic studies estimate that passport-free travel has boosted trade by 10 per cent to 20 per cent within the zone.”

Most European economies are not in a position to bear this sort of drag lightly. But given the chaotic nature of the refugee crisis as well as the concomitant security concerns—the lack of border checks between France and Belgium made it harder to track the Paris attackers, for instance—European governments may not feel they have much of a choice.

Day by day, it becomes clearer: Europe either needs to get its immigration situation under control, or watch much of the way of life it has built for itself disappear under its very eyes.
 

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For many Europeans, not the Brits I hasten to point out, Schengen defines the EU they want, it is what the EU must be all about, it is just as important as the Euro. If they, some EU leaders, cancel or even seriously weaken the Schengen Agreement then they may have fallen into Nigel Farage's grasp and fatally weakened the whole notion of European unity, making Brexit, with serious consequences for all, a probability more than just a possibility.
 

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As if the Turkish border has stopped the thousands of Syrian and Iraqi refugees already there....

Canadian Press

Turkish leaders lash out at UN demands to open border
[The Canadian Press]
Ayse Wieting And Suzan Fraser, The Associated Press

February 10, 2016

KILIS, Turkey - Turkey's leaders lashed out Wednesday at the United Nations and others who are pressing the country to open its border to thousands more Syrian refugees, accusing them of failing to shoulder the refugee burden or stop the Russian bombings that have triggered the exodus.

The civil war in Syria has killed more than 250,000 people and forced millions to flee their homes since it began in 2011. In recent days, a Russian-backed Syrian government offensive around the city of Aleppo has sent tens of thousands of people fleeing to the Turkish border.

(...SNIPPED)
 
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I'll put this here as it's related by subject.  Shared under the fair dealings provisions of the copyright act.

HMCS Fredericton deployed on NATO mission to stop migrant smuggling

NATO orders Canadian warship to Aegean Sea to help counter 'human trafficking and criminal networks'

The Associated PressPosted: Feb 11, 2016 7:33 AM ET|Last Updated: Feb 11, 2016 8:22 AM ET

NATO's European commander on Thursday ordered three warships — including Canada's HMCS Fredericton — to move immediately to the Aegean Sea to help end the deadly smuggling of migrants between Turkey and Greece.

Jens Stoltenberg, the NATO secretary-general, said the warships, now under German command, will conduct reconnaissance and surveillance to help end Europe's gravest migrant crisis since the Second World War.

Ships from NATO Standing Maritime Group 2 "will start to move now" on orders from U.S. Air Force Gen. Philip Breedlove, NATO's supreme commander in Europe, Stoltenberg said.

"This is about helping Greece, Turkey and the European Union with stemming the flow of migrants and refugees and coping with a very demanding situation," Stoltenberg said, calling the situation a "human tragedy."

Earlier this week, the International Organization for Migration said 409 people have died so far this year trying to cross the sea to Europe, and that nearly 10 times as many migrants crossed in the first six weeks of 2016 as in the same period last year. Most come from Turkey to Greece and then try to head north through Europe to more prosperous countries like Germany and Sweden.

The three NATO warships will provide "important information" to the Greek and Turkish coast guards and other authorities, Stoltenberg said. According to NATO's website, the flotilla is composed of HMCS Fredericton, a German navy flagship called the Bonn, and the Barbaros from Turkey.

"This is not about stopping or pushing back refugee boats," Stoltenberg stressed. "NATO will contribute critical information and surveillance to help counter human trafficking and criminal networks."

NATO will also step up intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance activities on the Turkish-Syrian border, Stoltenberg said.

U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said earlier Thursday that NATO military authorities also will draw up plans for how the alliance could further act to help shut down illegal migration and smuggling of people across the Aegean Sea.


NATO was responding to a request by Turkey, Germany and Greece for alliance participation in an international effort targeting the smugglers.

The International Organization for Migration said 76,000 people — nearly 2,000 per day — have reached Europe by sea since Jan. 1.

"There is now a criminal syndicate which is exploiting these poor people," Carter said. "Targeting that is the greatest way an effect could be had."

During a visit to The Hague on Wednesday, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said he and his Dutch counterpart, Mark Rutte, agreed to work together with NATO and Frontex, the European Union's border agency, "against the human traffickers who exploit the Syrian refugees and pave the way for their deaths at sea."

© The Associated Press, 2016

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nato-migrant-smuggling-turkey-greece-1.3443420
 

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Thucydides said:
As if things could not get any worse, now threatening to punish people for protecting themselves. The ultra-left nativist parities will have  field day with stories like this:

http://www.thelocal.dk/20160126/danish-teen-fought-off-her-attacker-with-pepper-spray-now-shell-face-fine

Not sure if this should also not be in the WTF? topic?

If the facts of this case are as they first seem, it does indeed give one cause to shake one's head. 

G2G
 

George Wallace

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Interesting to see that the sales of Pepper Spray have skyrocketed in Germany, along with small arms, since Koln.
 

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Good2Golf said:
Not sure if this should also not be in the WTF? topic?

If the facts of this case are as they first seem, it does indeed give one cause to shake one's head.

G2G

The same thing would happen here under our laws.
 

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With the influx of muslim migrants,European jews are immigrating to Israel.History repeating itself ?
 
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I can't say I blame them one bit.  The anti Semitism that has been raising it's ugly head in Europe for some time now must be alarming.
 
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