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Does anyone have the new boots in the system? What one is better the one with or without the zipper? We were told you get to choose one or the other and that's it; no test or exchange.
PuckChaser said:How do we go from issuing boots with a plan and implementation order (including a delay to get production levels up), to complete grinding to a halt and cancellation? Is anything on CID or DLR pages on DWAN?
But if you're wearing out the butt of your CADPAT in a cubicle.... >Humphrey Bogart said:..... zippers of the one pair supposedly were bursting after a few weeks of use (something many people predicted) and the soles of the boots were too soft for the field.
Staff officer problems?Dimsum said:But how about the knees?
PuckChaser said:Staff officer problems?
As for the soles being too soft, we shouldn't be designing combat boots after swats. Those things fall apart after a year of ruck marches.
Maybe the Army will decide to award the contract to companies 1-6 who beat these guys out. Companies likely to be Oakley, Rocky, Belleville, but aren't made in Canada. They're considering off shore for the ships, let's do it for boots.
Humphrey Bogart said:I would personally go with Lowa's, best army boot on the market IMO. It's what the Brits and Germans use 8)
PuckChaser said:I like my Lowas, but $420 per boot is steep, even the cheaper versions are $300+.
At the end of the day, boots are just a microcosm of what's wrong with the procurement system. We don't get the best available, that meets all mandatory requirements at the market price. We get whatever a Canadian company has, that may or may not meet requirements, at an inflated price because we absorb the cost of retooling.
I bet if we asked Rocky to ship us 50,000 pairs of S2Vs in Coyote Brown, we'd have them in 3 months, ready to issue.
PuckChaser said:Completely agree. It also shows a systematic failure of senior leadership to raise this issue up to the highest levels, and more than just once. CCA should be in the CDS' office constantly about this, and perhaps even a few letters to the CBC.
MCG said:At least we have new flags and patches for all our L2 formations.