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I really hate what you have to do for renewing your firearms license.Why can't it be like renewing your driver's license geesh.
The charter protects against unreasonable searches. A search authorized by a statute (like the Firearms Act) is deemed to be reasonable, hence no charter violation. So there goes your charter defence.
About sub section 2, so what? You still have notice of the inspection. If your firearms are locked up and legal, your good. Even if they aren't locked up you have time to do it while the inspector goes for a warrant. If you have illegal firearms or keep your loaded pistol where a kid can get at it, then you are screwed. You are screwed because you broke federal statutes. Breaking federal statutes are considered crimes - which would make someone who committed them a criminal. How is this hurting the average "law abiding gun owner"?
QV said:When someone comes on relates a personal story I tend to be skeptical because there are ALWAYs three sides to every story. I have found that most people lie or at least tweak the facts slightly to their favour by ommitting some information or exagerating other stuff. Joe Bloggins will complain about how his guns were seized and he is just a "law-abiding gun owner" who had his "rights" violated ---
.... now most of you (if you actually read my posts) will know that the police can't just arbitrarily come and kick your door in at any time to inspect your horde of guns and ammo.
No one is sending personal attacks to you.QV said:I never said I knew everything nor have I ever alleged expertise in anything. Quit jumping to conclusions. And I am not going to respond to personal attacks or snide remarks that many of you seem to be able to get away with around here, and your post has a few.
Well why single out firearms then? If knives can be more easily concealed make no noise and are highly lethal? You believe in gun control but not knife control?Using the argument that gasoline is not regulated is as foolhardy and moot as arguing that your car can't be seized if left unattended and not locked (which it can BTW in case you missed that). Or saying that all knives should now be regulated. Hell lets just throw out any law as soon as one interest group complains about it. What do you think would happen then?
What conclusions am I jumping to?No they havn't. They prove that you are jumping to conclusions.
So, if I'm sitting at home, and Joe Rumpface next door is mad with me over some stupid neighbour crap. He knows I go to the range quite a bit by seeing me load and unload gun cases aboard my car, etc. He calls the police one day as an anonymous tip, says I'm improperly storing my firearms (for example) by letting my kids go aorund the house with my Tokarev or my Ruger and play cowboys. Cops come, I explain the situation, they want to see my firearms, I refuse. Think they'll be on their merry way? At the very least they'll take their time, go get their warrant and then strip my home, seize more than just firearms (scopes, books, bayonets, etc... which have been taken in other firearms seizures across the country) and then I have a situation sort of like Wesley Down Under's.The police need reasonable grounds AND exingent circumstances for such a raid you are talking about. An anonymous tip that Jack Remington keeps his older then dust 12 Ga unlocked hardley meets the reasonable grounds and exingent circumstances criteria. So again you are jumping to conclusions. Quit stating that the police, for no other reason then to bring down a "law abiding gun owner" will break into your home in the dead of night and steal all your prized firearms and cart you off to jail. That is pure unfounded speculation on your part not backed up with PROVEN sources.
Actually I would hazard a guess that the majority of Canadians support gun control.
For all of you gun enthusiests arguing that you need guns for protection and how society is so dangerous and an "armed people" is the only thing stopping the government from becoming some dictatorship, and that you need CCW because the police only shoot 50 rnds a year and are too far away ---- that is definately the wrong road to take. Most people in this country do not think the same way as you, and when they hear arguments like that the average citizen (gun owner or not) would probably think that is coming from:
a. a crazy gun nut
b. an anti government militia; or
c. someone with deep seated fears of society that probably needs treatment.
Why? If not, can't I debate about laws in the country that I live?
QV, is this not a violation of his rights? Is anyone legally entitled to this crap?Wesley Down Under said:I was taken down at gunpoint, remember! Humiliated and embarrassed, upset, scared ( as was my family - my dad had recently passed away) , and was left wondering why would this happen to me, the master of firerarms storage and had the respect of many, won awards, and knew many people of influence!
My raid was based on a report by a 'confidential source' that I had in my possesion, such equipment had machine guns, was shooting them illegally, etc, and if I would have been professionally approached, I would have invited them in for inspection, and a Coke!
There ya go.As for Judges granting warrants, it was a traffic judge that signed mine.
QV, I detect a hidden agenda here, and your true colour shows, and no I am not parinoid, and base my feeling on LIFE experience. Its obvious who's side you bat on.
Your a MP, and you don't know that? :
LEOs aren't some sort of all seeing, all knowing (that's abundantly clear) demigods
Judging by what you've been posting, I've thought as much.
nonsense that QV, in his infinite wisdom......
Are you sir really in law enforcement?
QV, your arguements lack depth. Your inability to explain why your arguements are correct is just a waste of space on these forums. in your "oh so infinite wisdom" and your alleged police expertise make yourself look like a total fool
confidential source' QV, is this not a violation of his rights? Is anyone legally entitled to this crap?
QV said:Is everything that doesn't go your way a violation of rights? I don't know the details of Wes's ordeal....how could I ever comment intelligently whether the Information to Obtain a search warrant contained all the necessary facts to form reasonable and probable grounds to believe that Wes had done something? I can't so don't ask.
LEOs aren't some sort of all seeing, all knowing (that's abundantly clear) demigods
Well why single out firearms then? If knives can be more easily concealed make no noise and are highly lethal? You believe in gun control but not knife control?
What do I think would happen? I think that if everything were registered and regulated and controlled, we'd be more safe. That's what you think, right?
He calls the police one day as an anonymous tip, says I'm improperly storing my firearms (for example) by letting my kids go aorund the house with my Tokarev or my Ruger and play cowboys.
Cops come, I explain the situation, they want to see my firearms, I refuse. Think they'll be on their merry way?
Yeah, I'd agree there too. But what is gun control exactly? Is it controlling the firearms that need controlling such as those in the hands of criminals? Or, is it "controlling" all firearms, making responsible owners jump through bogus government hoops of crap to hold onto them?
When thinking of gun control you should be thinking more about the criminal, QV, and less about the citizens that pay your salary.
Everybody doesn't NEED CCW. Not everyone wants it. Some do, some don't. Because some don't, doesn't mean that those who do and are eligable (meet a long string of requirements and testing) should be punished. We've the right to self defense... but with what?
If someone (and I know people who would do this) decided to attack me or my family/neighbours with a firearm or other device that could be used as a weapon... we'll have to wait 45 minutes for someone to respond. I'm certainly not going to rely on you or any LEO to arrive in 45 minutes and sing campsongs and make it all better.
Remember QV, in most violent situations, police arrive AFTER the fact.
3. CCW is not for you to decide. You don't like it? Fine. I'm not one to settle for the boys in blue AFTER something's happened. You have a sidearm, no? Why? For protection of course. Granted, you'll encounter many more dangerous situations requiring it's use than I will, but that's not to say I'll never encounter at least one of those situations either. With proper training one can be just as efficient with it's use as law enforcement or otherwise. Don't forget that.
QV do you think we should have a constitutional right to bear arms?
1) Even mentally ill people have a right to self defence.
Did you actually let your kids play with actual firearms. Now thats responsible gun ownership.
Where do you live that it would take 45 minutes for the police to show up?
As well a firearm in the house may actually make the situation worse. A gun isn't the golden ticket to safety.
Because guns tend to be much more effective at killing then knives.
2 Cdo said:You and QV have completely missed the boat and either are incredibly ignorant of the ways that laws are enforced in regards to firearms are deliberately being obtuse arses. Either way, trying to reason with either one is an exercise in futilty so I think I'll just go outside and blow off about 40-50 rounds shooting skeet. Have a nice night.
Either you didn't read Fry's post or you're purposly miscontruing what he said to inflame the thread, contrary to the guidelines. What he gave were examples of a fictiious situations. Yet you decide to use it as a slam against his parenting skills and family attributes, as if they were true and commited by him. Better watch it. You've already gained attention because of your attitude. I'm sure you don't want any more.
You and QV have completely missed the boat and either are incredibly ignorant of the ways that laws are enforced in regards to firearms are deliberately being obtuse arses. Either way, trying to reason with either one is an exercise in futilty so I think I'll just go outside and blow off about 40-50 rounds shooting skeet. Have a nice night.
Sigs Guy said:Well first of all, I said if he actually did let his kids play with firearms then I'd question his parenting skills. As for miscontruing people's posts, that never goes on here, as long as one is flowing with the current.
Bullshit. You took a hypothetical situation and tried to make him the actual player.
No, we simply do not want to see a bunch of guns floating freely around. Since one suggestion was that people suffering from mental illness should also have firearms, I think we both can feel safe in knowing that CCW will never come. It seems to me that any opinion which goes against the current is considered trolling, especially when some members have suggested they need guns for protection from the police, or start delving into conspiracy theories which have little or no merit.
Point us to these statements, I must have missed them.