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Spoiled Rotten: Why do kids rule the roost?

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Why do kids rule the roost?

In 2004, Carolina Izquierdo, an anthropologist at the University of California, Los Angeles, spent several months with the Matsigenka, a tribe of about twelve thousand people who live in the Peruvian Amazon. The Matsigenka hunt for monkeys and parrots, grow yucca and bananas, and build houses that they roof with the leaves of a particular kind of palm tree, known as a kapashi. At one point, Izquierdo decided to accompany a local family on a leaf-gathering expedition down the Urubamba River.

A member of another family, Yanira, asked if she could come along. Izquierdo and the others spent five days on the river. Although Yanira had no clear role in the group, she quickly found ways to make herself useful. Twice a day, she swept the sand off the sleeping mats, and she helped stack the kapashi leaves for transport back to the village. In the evening, she fished for crustaceans, which she cleaned, boiled, and served to the others. Calm and self-possessed, Yanira “asked for nothing,” Izquierdo later recalled. The girl’s behavior made a strong impression on the anthropologist because at the time of the trip Yanira was just six years old.

While Izquierdo was doing field work among the Matsigenka, she was also involved in an anthropological study closer to home. A colleague of hers, Elinor Ochs, had recruited thirty-two middle-class families for a study of life in twenty-first-century Los Angeles. Ochs had arranged to have the families filmed as they ate, fought, made up, and did the dishes.

Izquierdo and Ochs shared an interest in many ethnographic issues, including child rearing. How did parents in different cultures train young people to assume adult responsibilities? In the case of the Angelenos, they mostly didn’t. In the L.A. families observed, no child routinely performed household chores without being instructed to. Often, the kids had to be begged to attempt the simplest tasks; often, they still refused. In one fairly typical encounter, a father asked his eight-year-old son five times to please go take a bath or a shower. After the fifth plea went unheeded, the father picked the boy up and carried him into the bathroom. A few minutes later, the kid, still unwashed, wandered into another room to play a video game.

In another representative encounter, an eight-year-old girl sat down at the dining table. Finding that no silverware had been laid out for her, she demanded, “How am I supposed to eat?” Although the girl clearly knew where the silverware was kept, her father got up to get it for her.

In a third episode captured on tape, a boy named Ben was supposed to leave the house with his parents. But he couldn’t get his feet into his sneakers, because the laces were tied. He handed one of the shoes to his father: “Untie it!” His father suggested that he ask nicely.

“Can you untie it?” Ben replied. After more back-and-forth, his father untied Ben’s sneakers. Ben put them on, then asked his father to retie them. “You tie your shoes and let’s go,’’ his father finally exploded. Ben was unfazed. “I’m just asking,’’ he said.

A few years ago, Izquierdo and Ochs wrote an article for Ethos, the journal of the Society of Psychological Anthropology, in which they described Yanira’s conduct during the trip down the river and Ben’s exchange with his dad. “Juxtaposition of these developmental stories begs for an account of responsibility in childhood,” they wrote. Why do Matsigenka children “help their families at home more than L.A. children?” And “Why do L.A. adult family members help their children at home more than do Matsigenka?” Though not phrased in exactly such terms, questions like these are being asked—silently, imploringly, despairingly—every single day by parents from Anchorage to Miami. Why, why, why?

With the exception of the imperial offspring of the Ming dynasty and the dauphins of pre-Revolutionary France, contemporary American kids may represent the most indulged young people in the history of the world. It’s not just that they’ve been given unprecedented amounts of stuff—clothes, toys, cameras, skis, computers, televisions, cell phones, PlayStations, iPods. (The market for Burberry Baby and other forms of kiddie “couture” has reportedly been growing by ten per cent a year.) They’ve also been granted unprecedented authority. “Parents want their kids’ approval, a reversal of the past ideal of children striving for their parents’ approval,” Jean Twenge and W. Keith Campbell, both professors of psychology, have written. In many middle-class families, children have one, two, sometimes three adults at their beck and call. This is a social experiment on a grand scale, and a growing number of adults fear that it isn’t working out so well: according to one poll, commissioned by Time and CNN, two-thirds of American parents think that their children are spoiled.

The notion that we may be raising a generation of kids who can’t, or at least won’t, tie their own shoes has given rise to a new genre of parenting books. Their titles tend to be either dolorous (“The Price of Privilege”) or downright hostile (“The Narcissism Epidemic,” “Mean Moms Rule,” “A Nation of Wimps”). The books are less how-to guides than how-not-to’s: how not to give in to your toddler, how not to intervene whenever your teen-ager looks bored, how not to spend two hundred thousand dollars on tuition only to find your twenty-something graduate back at home, drinking all your beer.

Not long ago, Sally Koslow, a former editor-in-chief of McCall’s, discovered herself in this last situation. After four years in college and two on the West Coast, her son Jed moved back to Manhattan and settled into his old room in the family’s apartment, together with thirty-four boxes of vinyl LPs. Unemployed, Jed liked to stay out late, sleep until noon, and wander around in his boxers. Koslow set out to try to understand why he and so many of his peers seemed stuck in what she regarded as permanent “adultescence.” She concluded that one of the reasons is the lousy economy. Another is parents like her.

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2012/07/02/120702crbo_books_kolbert

 
Parenting, like leadership, is not a popularity contest; parents need to learn to say no, and maintain their decision.
 
Jungle said:
Parenting, like leadership, is not a popularity contest; parents need to learn to say no, and maintain their decision.

But also like leadership, as referenced by the "Don't be a douche" thread, parents also need to know how to have compassion, understanding and respect for their kids.

I know that one day my boys will be men, with their own wills and desires that they can act on. If I rule by edict for most of their lives, they won't trust me, respect me, or give a shit what I have to say. All they will do is fear me. As I recall from my teenage years, fear doesn't keep you out of trouble.

As with everything, balance is required. More importantly, knowing which issues are the hill to die on is most important.

After all, there's no pam, TTP, or FSOP for kids. Yet....

Just my two cents.
 
rmc_wannabe said:
I know that one day my boys will be men...

I'm already there;  one of my boys actually has a boy of his own now.

I am not saying parents should say no to everything; but when they feel they should, they should do it and maintain the decision. Weathering the storms early will prevent future cyclones... unfortunately, a lot of parents are mortgaging the future by buying the peace now.
 
My daughter is naturally a good child and quite often is very helpful and listens reasonably well for a 2.5 year old.  That being said both my wife and I are stubborn people so naturally our daughter is going to have that wonderful trait as well.  I find that consistency and loving discipline are two of the most important things to impart to her.  When she doesn't listen she is talked to and disciplined until she acknowledges what she did wrong.  Since our daughter is a very sociable person timeouts are the best form of discipline for her because she hates to be separated from the group.

With that we have also taught her from as young of an age as possible to do things for herself.  Using a fork or spoon to eat with instead of her fingers (although again this was more of a natural thing because she has always to do what we're doing), or dressing herself to get ready in the morning.  It's hard to know if we're doing the right things because as stated there is not a how to manual with kids and each child is different in their personalities and what they need.  We simply try to give her the attention, love, discipline and teach her what we can to help grow her as a person.  I completely agree that it is all about balance, and with parenting it's not a part time job, you have to be involved and focused because it's your job to raise your kids.  Starting at the earliest age and perhaps even pushing the envelope on what you think they can understand or learn is a good thing, better to try early then leave it too late.
 
Jungle said:
Parenting, like leadership, is not a popularity contest; parents need to learn to say no, and maintain their decision.

Agreed. While I am affectionate with my almost 3.5 yrs old son, and I tell him I love him every day, I am firm when I need to be, I do not believe in indulging, I don't coddle, I make sure he at least attempts those tasks which he is entirely capable of completing on his own, tears and whining do nothing for me in terms of manipulation, and when I say "No.", that is exactly what it means.  Manners are paramount, veggies always get eaten and when I ask him to do something, he's very aware of when my patience is wearing thin and what the consequence will be.

I don't expect to raise a little robot. I want him to feel, think and express himself freely. However, I am a staunch believer that clear boundaries, and going-without are lessons in life that he needs to be aware of. I do not want him to grow up with any sense of entitlement that I see far too often these days.  I by no means think/feel my style of parenting is superior to anyone else's, but as long as there is a balance between 'parenting' and him knowing/feeling secure in himself as a person and what he's capable of as he grows, then I've done my job well.

 
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