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Re: So why aren‘t they doing this NOW with reservists?
Posted by Muppet from Canada on April 15, 1999 at 09:09:48:
In Reply to: Re: So why aren‘t they doing this NOW with reservists? posted by Greg Wool on April 15, 1999 at 00:32:10:
Not sure why it would mean an increase in required manpower for things like the artillery. Not sure the exact number of guys on a gun but that number wouldn‘t change, the only thing that might would be the guy who‘s job it is fuze the round probably wouldn‘t know how to lay the gun. If the guy becomes a casualty then there is another body who knows how to do his job waiting back in the pool. Using your analogy of a tank, the most casualties that it can take and still function in any kind of manner is one and even then it would be almost suicidal to try and do anything but extract yourself from the situation. It would also depend on how the casualty was inflicted, unless it was inflicted on the crew while they were out of the vehicle there‘s a good chance the rest of the crew is done as well or at least that the AFV is unfightable.
As for increasing manpower in other respects, yeah...I do believe that is the point.
NCO‘s and Officers...why do you think the CF is top heavy? Even the militia units used to have more Officers and Snr NCO‘s than normally would be needed for the number of Ptes/Cpls. If push came to shove the plan was that the senior positions which required the knowledge and experience would already be in place and the guys who were doing the mob training would be down in the Pte ranks. In my mind this is also the reason that there is the big pay jump or used to be prior to the latest pay raises which have shrank it somewhat between Pte and Cpl. If a QL3 private hits the road it‘s not the loss of training and experience that a QL5 Cpl is. You would also see greater reliance on Cpls as Jnr Ldrs than you do now where the rank is primarily just a pay level.
Poorly trained and inexperience troops do take proportionatly higher casualties but since the Govt and Cdn public isn‘t willing to shell out the bucks to maintain a decent manning level of the Reg Force this is the price that would have to be paid.
Why aren‘t they doing this now with the reservists? I would hazard a guess that if there ever was a General Mob you‘d be seeing a whole bunch of promoting going on. We have the time although maybe you don‘t to take the 12 weeks to make you a rounded Supply Clerk or Gunner so that when we no longer have the time you‘re ready to lead the guys who haven‘t got the "complete" training.
Posted by Muppet from Canada on April 15, 1999 at 09:09:48:
In Reply to: Re: So why aren‘t they doing this NOW with reservists? posted by Greg Wool on April 15, 1999 at 00:32:10:
Not sure why it would mean an increase in required manpower for things like the artillery. Not sure the exact number of guys on a gun but that number wouldn‘t change, the only thing that might would be the guy who‘s job it is fuze the round probably wouldn‘t know how to lay the gun. If the guy becomes a casualty then there is another body who knows how to do his job waiting back in the pool. Using your analogy of a tank, the most casualties that it can take and still function in any kind of manner is one and even then it would be almost suicidal to try and do anything but extract yourself from the situation. It would also depend on how the casualty was inflicted, unless it was inflicted on the crew while they were out of the vehicle there‘s a good chance the rest of the crew is done as well or at least that the AFV is unfightable.
As for increasing manpower in other respects, yeah...I do believe that is the point.
NCO‘s and Officers...why do you think the CF is top heavy? Even the militia units used to have more Officers and Snr NCO‘s than normally would be needed for the number of Ptes/Cpls. If push came to shove the plan was that the senior positions which required the knowledge and experience would already be in place and the guys who were doing the mob training would be down in the Pte ranks. In my mind this is also the reason that there is the big pay jump or used to be prior to the latest pay raises which have shrank it somewhat between Pte and Cpl. If a QL3 private hits the road it‘s not the loss of training and experience that a QL5 Cpl is. You would also see greater reliance on Cpls as Jnr Ldrs than you do now where the rank is primarily just a pay level.
Poorly trained and inexperience troops do take proportionatly higher casualties but since the Govt and Cdn public isn‘t willing to shell out the bucks to maintain a decent manning level of the Reg Force this is the price that would have to be paid.
Why aren‘t they doing this now with the reservists? I would hazard a guess that if there ever was a General Mob you‘d be seeing a whole bunch of promoting going on. We have the time although maybe you don‘t to take the 12 weeks to make you a rounded Supply Clerk or Gunner so that when we no longer have the time you‘re ready to lead the guys who haven‘t got the "complete" training.
