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SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018

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has any one heard whats up. government said they were going to take time and review there options. seems almost too quiet do we need to start something to get or name in the news again . especially if we are looking at an election coming soon.
Paul 
 
This was posted on VeteransVoice.info site a couple day's ago...

The original Federal Court justice who Certified [originally in 2008] our case as a class action has been re-appointed to the case.
http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-463-07



COURT INDEX AND DOCKET 

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  RECORDED ENTRY (IES) FOR T-463-07 (Close) 

Court Number : T-463-07

Style of Cause : DENNIS MANUGE v. HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN

Proceeding Category : Actions Nature : Others - Crown (v. Queen) [Actions]

Type of Action : Ordinary

Doc Date Filed Office Recorded Entry Summary

- 2011-03-08 Halifax Letter from Defendant dated 08-MAR-2011 "As directed during the Case Management Conference with Mr. Justice Barnes of february 23, 2011, the Defendant respectfully submits the enclosed draft litigation schedule for the consideration of the Court and the Plaintiff." received on 08-MAR-2011

- 2011-03-01 Ottawa Letter from Plaintiffs, Dennis Manuge and A. Gerard Buote dated 01-MAR-2011 enclosing minutes of their February 23, 2011 teleconference. received on 01-MAR-2011

- 2011-02-23 Ottawa Ottawa 23-FEB-2011 BEFORE The Honourable Mr. Justice Barnes Language: E Before the Court: Case Management Conference Result of Hearing: The plaintiff is to submit for filing minutes of this CMC; the next CMC is scheduled to proceed in person at Halifax on March 25, 2011 at 2:00 p.m. (Halifax time) with co-counsel for plaintiff, Mr. Branch to appear via teleconference from Vancouver held by way of Conference Call in chambers Counsel appearing in their respective offices in Halifax and Vancouver Duration per day: 23-FEB-2011 from 12:57 to 01:33 Courtroom : Judge's Chambers - Ottawa Court Registrar: Pauline Chartrand Total Duration: 36min Appearances: Daniel Wallace 902-444-8630 representing Plaintiffs: Dennis Manuge and A. Gerard Buote Ward K. Branch 604-654-2966 representing Plaintiffs: Dennis Manuge and A. Gerard Buote James M. Gunvaldsen-Klaassen, Susan Inglis, Lori Rasmussen 902-426-0020 representing Defendants: HMQ and AGC Comments: Heard together with T-296-09, T-889-08 and T-479-09; original minutes taken on T-463-07 Minutes of Hearing entered in Vol. 838 page(s) 295 - 299 Abstract of Hearing placed on file

- 2011-02-21 Ottawa Letter from Plaintiff dated 21-FEB-2011 Further to Court's request the parties propose the following agenda for the case management conference on Feb. 23/11 (scanned to Barnes, J.) received on 21-FEB-2011

- 2011-02-10 Ottawa Oral directions received from the presiding judge dated 10-FEB-2011 directing that "A case management meeting will take place via teleconference on Wednesday, February 23, 2011, at 2:00 p.m. Halifax time for a duration of 90 minutes. Parties may remain in their respective offices"; placed on file on 10-FEB-2011 Confirmed in writing to the party(ies)

36 2011-02-03 Ottawa Order dated 03-FEB-2011 rendered by Chief Justice Lutfy Matter considered without personal appearance The Court's decision is with regard to Letter from Plaintiff dated 11-JAN-2011 Result: It is ordered pursuant to Rule 383 that Justice Robert L. Barnes is assigned as Case Management Judge in place of Justice Russell W. Zinn. Filed on 03-FEB-2011 certified copies sent to parties Transmittal Letters placed on file. entered in J. & O. Book, volume 1113 page(s) 224 - 224 Interlocutory Decision

 

Dennis Manuge
(902) 889-3230
dmanuge@eastlink.ca
 
...on a side note, Jack Layton of the NDP is promising to get rid of the sisip clawback in his campaing for PM...
 
  If there's anyone out there who's used sisip LTD, could you send me a quick PM.  I'd like to ask a couple of questions about them and monies they deduct etc...
Thanks
Steve
 
Bigrex said:
Yes, if you are under the "class", then if it is certified as a class action, and won, all in the class will benefit, unless they opt out of the lawsuit. I think the database they have created is more for their records, maybe to present in court, as further proof that this affects a great deal of disabled/ medically released veterans, not just Dennis Manuge, he only had the willingness to take it to court first. Contacting the layers doesn't mean you will be subpoenaed or anything, so it cannot hurt.  Those who do contact them will be notified via email of all important information from the lawyer, or it can usually be read shortly afterwards at veteransvoice.info, so it's up to you. 

Also I'm alot better off than some of the young privates that have been injured in Afghanistan, if they were severely injured and unable to return to work and relied on SISIP to give them money to live off, all that their ruined lives are worth is between $1861.00 and $2735.00 per month plus 2 % each year until 65. So a 20year old who went to Afghanistan , right after battle school, gets injured to the point where he can no longer work, and goes on SiISIP LTD, in 45 years, his monthly earning will go from a max of $1861.00 to $2996.00, just over the unofficial poverty line for a household. And while on SISIP LTD, he cannot seek any additional income other than employment, he cannot apply for CPP disability, because that would get deducted from his sisip cheque 100%, he cannot get any money from VAC, including extra money for dependants, other than the new disability awards, which aren't that big of an amount if you need to make it last all your life. So that 20 year old, injured while serving his country will possibly never own his own house, probably never know the feeling of purchasing a brand new car, never afford to give his children a decent Christmas, or take them to Disneyland, all because of SISIP and greedy uncaring bureaucrats. If we get this settlement, and SISIP stops clawing back our money, people will not get rich, like one guy thinks, and there is a big difference between getting rich and being financially comfortable.

.....And this, I believe, is what it's all about folks.  We need to get together and make this ridiculous crap stop!!  Good luck Mr. Manuge and every other injured person who is looking for our government to do the right thing.
 
Don't believe what any politician says let alone Taliban Jack

Steve-O- said:
...on a side note, Jack Layton of the NDP is promising to get rid of the sisip clawback in his campaing for PM...
 
.......I saw this on the site......"

The Government acknowledged this unfairness by removing this claw back for future veterans. However, veterans wounded before April 2006 continue to see their disability pension clawed back."

  I never heard about this.  Does this mean that, being injured in '09, I won't have my VAC money clawed back from SISIP?  That's huge, as it's been quite a distressor of mine.

 
After almost five years of legal wrangling, Dennis Manuge says he's relieved that Canada's disabled veterans are finally getting their day in court.

"How I feel about it is a little bit of relief and absolute faith in the justice system that we are going to begin to have our case (heard)," he said Tuesday.

Manuge, of Musquodoboit Harbour, N.S., is the representative plaintiff in a lawsuit against the federal government that alleges it is illegally clawing back the long-term disability insurance benefits of injured veterans.

The Federal Court in Halifax will begin hearing arguments Wednesday in the class action, which could potentially affect the benefits of as many as 6,000 injured veterans ....
The Canadian Press via CP24, 16 Nov 11
 
It is a step. The government will appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. A long way to go yet.
 
Rifleman62 said:
It is a step. The government will appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. A long way to go yet.

The government lawyer was on TV last night and expressed concern that the taxpayer will be stuck with the bill - who else would be?

Besides - it was the government, elected by taxpayers, that sent us to weird and exotic places - we didn't go on our own.
 
Of course the taxpayer will be "stuck" with the bill. A sound bite to attract attention.

The tax payer was stuck with the bill for Adscam, the gun registry, WWII .........
 
This wheel of bureaucracy is moving very slowly.......


:crickets:
 
Jim Seggie said:
The government lawyer was on TV last night and expressed concern that the taxpayer will be stuck with the bill - who else would be?

Besides - it was the government, elected by taxpayers, that sent us to weird and exotic places - we didn't go on our own.

Yep. The same taxpayers voted in their representatives to send us all over the freakin world to do their killing/protecting...and now a lawyer has the gall to use "the tax payers" as a defense? I didn't ask to go anywhere...but stood ready to if the COUNTRY decided I should. The tax payers paid for each bullet I fired and each line of fire we had to place ourselves in. They also paid to bury the boys and girls who gave their all to the tax payers of a great country.

To have a person representing OUR government say this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.



krustyrl said:
This wheel of bureaucracy is moving very slowly.......


:crickets:

Their waiting for
 
Taxpayers. . . I can't believe the obscene amounts of $s this government is spending fighting against it's own disabled Veterans and their families, feeding these bottom-feeding lawyers.

Yes, when we send our forces out to war, onto missions of risk for injuries, exposures-- we are automatically assume our duty to care for those who've been injured, disabled, and care of the families affected by that.
 
.... in an announcement from the Minister:
The Honourable Peter MacKay, Minister of National Defence, is proud to announce enhancements to the minimum benefits paid under the Canadian Forces (CF) Long Term Disability (LTD) program to medically released CF personnel. With an investment of nearly $113 million, these enhancements are now in line with the Earning Loss Benefits (ELB) offered by Veterans Affairs Canada (VAC) to disabled veterans.

“Canadians and the Government of Canada have been clear; they want our Veterans and our men and women in uniform to receive the care, the support, and the recognition they earned in the service of their country,” said Minister MacKay. “From now on retroactive to October 3rd, 2011our ill and injured veterans will receive a minimum pre-tax income of $40,000 a year while continuing to have access to vocational rehabilitation training. This financial support will help ill and injured CF Veterans focus on what matters most - their wellness,” added Minister MacKay.

The CF LTD is a disability group insurance plan administered by Service Income Security Insurance Plan (SISIP) Financial Services, which provides CF members with replacement income protection if they are released from the CF for medical reasons or take a voluntary release but are deemed as being totally disabled. The enhancements to the plan will see an increase to the minimum gross monthly benefit climb to 75% of the basic salary rate of a Corporal, which is currently $4,554/month. Previously, the minimum benefit calculation was based on the salary rate of a senior private. In addition, the minimum benefit for the Primary Reserve Force members on short-term class of service who are medically released, or take a voluntary release but qualify as being totally disabled will increase to 75% of the deemed salary of $2700/month from the previously used $2000/month rate.

The changes to the SISIP LTD program announced today will not impact the premiums paid by insured CF members. Retroactive payments will be issued starting immediately.

More in the Backgrounder here
 
Until the fix the "income from all sources", which includes non-taxable DVA pension, it's not much of a solution.
 
More tea leaves to read on this one - the Minister's speaking notes from last week's announcement:
Thank you for joining me today on this important occasion.

It is a great pleasure to announce new measures in support of the military families who make such great sacrifices in their service to Canada.

The government knows that the well-being and security of our country rests in large part on the work of our military personnel.

And we know that it is our duty to make sure that both they – and their loved ones – have what they need to accomplish what we expect of them.

This goes beyond making sure that our personnel are properly equipped.

We must also ensure that the men and women of the Canadian Forces, Veterans and their families get the support they need and they deserve.

Since 2006, the Government has introduced a number of new initiatives that reflect the complex and changing needs of our military personnel, our veterans and their families…

… and together, they form an integrated support system that helps our people as they work through the successive phases of recovery, rehabilitation and reintegration.

Programmes like Soldier On, which has been active since 2006 and uses physical fitness, sports and healthy living to enhance the quality of life for Canadian Forces members who have been seriously injured while serving in the military.

Or the establishment of Legacy of Care, announced in 2010 – a series of five new initiatives that assist in the recovery and rehabilitation of our injured soldiers, sailors and air personnel, as well as their eventual reintegration, along with their families, back into military or civilian life.

Or the introduction of the Shoulder to Shoulder initiative in 2011 – a programme that links the families of fallen Canadian Forces members with the many resources and compassionate services developed to meet their unique needs for as long as support is required.

Or through the creation of the Joint Personnel Support Unit, whose mandate is to provide streamlined “one stop” access to important services for all personnel – regardless of their situation – through a network of 24 Integrated Personnel Support Centres across the country.

This comprehensive framework and approach to effectively treat our ill and injured personnel are detailed in a newly-released publication entitled Caring for our Own.

But while our programs are extensive and wide-ranging, we recognize that National Defence shares responsibility with Veteran Affairs to support our ill and injured personnel who retire or are medically released after years of distinguished service.

Last fall, the Minister of Veterans Affairs announced enhancements to the New Veterans Charter, which will increase Earning Loss Benefits payments for ill and injured Veterans.

Today, I am pleased to announce nearly 113 million dollars in new funding to bring the Canadian Forces Long Term Disability benefit into alignment with this program.

As some of you will already know, the Long Term Disability group insurance plan for Canadian Forces members is administered under the Service Income Security Plan, or SISIP.

Depending on the nature of their disability, some members receive SISIP benefits up to the age of 65.

In other cases, members receive payments on a short-term basis before transferring to the Earning Loss Benefits plan under Veterans Affairs Canada.

Today’s announcement will ensure that the benefit payments to our ill and injured veterans are consistent – regardless of which program they fall under.

It will also ensure that our ill and injured veterans receive a minimum pre-tax income of $40,000 a year, and that they have the opportunity to participate in vocational rehabilitation training.

I am proud to say that these enhancements will benefit up to 2000 Canadian Forces members.

And although financial benefits cannot fully compensate our ill and injured personnel for their sacrifices…

…we certainly hope that with this support in place, injured and ill Canadian Forces Veterans will now be able to focus on what matters most – their recovery.

Canadians have been clear: they want to see our Veterans and our men and women in uniform receive the care, the support and the recognition they’ve earned.

This Government is dedicated to meeting this commitment.

That is why we are working to ensure that our long-term disability plan continues to meet the evolving needs of our veterans and our serving men and women in uniform.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the men and women of the Canadian Forces are some of this country’s finest citizens.

They are the people who regularly put themselves in harm’s way in the service of our country.

With all that they give on our behalf, we must be prepared to give back.

They deserve nothing less.

Thank you.
 
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