Sexual Misconduct Allegations in The CAF

[dapaterson]

The judge can only sentence based on the charges and evidence before them. In this case, sentencing has to be aligned with a single charge and the small pieces of evidence before him. Any other conduct can't be considered by the judge unless it is properly before the court.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

This just in ...

Gen. Jonathan Vance pleads guilty to obstruction of justice, gets conditional discharge - National | Globalnews.ca

Appearing virtually before an Ottawa courtroom, Vance entered the unprecedented plea following a year that saw the Canadian Forces embroiled in what experts have called a crisis.

globalnews.ca

I do enjoy how corruption in procurement has become so entrenched that John Vance can literally use it in his Defence on why he shouldn't receive a criminal record LOL

Me paraphrasing and not a direct quote:

'You're honour a finding of guilt for this crime would leave me unable to leverage my considerable connections and status to receive monetary compensation for my services'

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Trudeau not commenting on whether Vance should keep Order of Military Merit after guilty plea

Given the complete circumstances around "the case", and his position(s) held during events that took place; there's no question for me - I do not believe Vance has a place in the Order anymore.

To offer a comparison and precedence that doesn't involve a former Wing commander I won't name; Rick Fancy was stripped of his MMM for wearing Jump Wings and 2 medals he hasn't earned (Somalia and GCS-SWA). He was a Reg Frce WO who CTd and was then a Res MWO when he did his stupidity. He was demoted, fined $300 and relieved of his MMM.

 

[brihard]

There have been a couple MWOs stripped of their Order of Militart Merit for getting caught wearing gongs they weren’t entitled to- even just a Jube in one case. I’d say the present case certainly calls for it.

 

[Haggis]

There have been a couple MWOs stripped of their Order of Militart Merit for getting caught wearing gongs they weren’t entitled to- even just a Jube in one case. I’d say the present case certainly calls for it.

One MWO was terminated and one resigned. One LCol resigned and another RCAF LCol was terminated following her second conviction for a total of six service offences.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Trudeau not commenting on whether Vance should keep Order of Military Merit after guilty plea

Given the complete circumstances around "the case", and his position(s) held during events that took place; there's no question for me - I do not believe Vance has a place in the Order anymore.

To offer a comparison and precedence that doesn't involve a former Wing commander I won't name; Rick Fancy was stripped of his MMM for wearing Jump Wings and 2 medals he hasn't earned (Somalia and GCS-SWA). He was a Reg Frce WO who CTd and was then a Res MWO when he did his stupidity. He was demoted, fined $300 and relieved of his MMM.

Someone has already started a petition calling for Vance's removal from the order.

Sign the Petition

Remove Gen (Ret) Jonathan Vance from the Order of Military Merit

www.change.org

 

[dapaterson]

If you are court martialed for drunken sexual misconduct, obviously you should be promoted, then named to a senior CWO position, especially if you're a MP, right?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/top-military-police-job-court-martial-1.6405879

 

[Halifax Tar]

If you are court martialed for drunken sexual misconduct, obviously you should be promoted, then named to a senior CWO position, especially if you're a MP, right?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/top-military-police-job-court-martial-1.6405879

At least we corrected our mistake this time ?

The RCN likes to leave these folks in place

 

[Haggis]

If you are court martialed for drunken sexual misconduct, obviously you should be promoted, then named to a senior CWO position, especially if you're a MP, right?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/top-military-police-job-court-martial-1.6405879

A "recently established internal military police process"? What's wrong? DSA didn't pick the guy you wanted so you became your own DSA-lite? Nice.

 

[Takeniteasy]

If you are court martialed for drunken sexual misconduct, obviously you should be promoted, then named to a senior CWO position, especially if you're a MP, right?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/top-military-police-job-court-martial-1.6405879

Another one who should be removed from the ORMM

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

If you are court martialed for drunken sexual misconduct, obviously you should be promoted, then named to a senior CWO position, especially if you're a MP, right?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/top-military-police-job-court-martial-1.6405879

I mean maybe he is still the best person for the job? Wonder what the other candidates looked like

At least we corrected our mistake this time ?

The RCN likes to leave these folks in place

We just make them the Navy Commander and apparently hanging out with your former boss when he is under investigation for obstruction, which he has since plead guilty for, isn't a big deal though

 

[FSTO]

I mean maybe he is still the best person for the job? Wonder what the other candidates looked like



We just make them the Navy Commander and apparently hanging out with your former boss when he is under investigation for obstruction, which he has since plead guilty for, isn't a big deal though

I'm thinking the current CRCN is retiring this year. I fear that a potential replacement is interesting........

 

[Halifax Tar]

I'm thinking the current CRCN is retiring this year. I fear that a potential replacement is interesting........

How much more interesting can they be ?

 

[Kat Stevens]

How much more interesting can they be ?

Top three candidates based on previous service records.

 

[dimsum]

Top three candidates based on previous service records.

Taika disapproves.

 

[Haggis]

I mean maybe he is still the best person for the job? Wonder what the other candidates looked like

The MP Gp CWO need not be an MP. That precedent was set many years ago when a former Infmn was appointed to the position.

 

[dapaterson]

Another one who should be removed from the ORMM

He was appointed to the order Dec 2019, after his court martial.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The MP Gp CWO need not be an MP. That precedent was set many years ago when a former Infmn was appointed to the position.

The way our CWO position are administered now one need not have any experience in the meat and potatoes of an organization to be its CWO.

Personally I want to be the first CPO1 RSM of 2 RCR.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

The way our CWO position are administered now one need not have any experience in the meat and potatoes of an organization to be its CWO.

Personally I want to be the first CPO1 RSM of 2 RCR.

We make a lot of sense

 

[btrudy]

At least we corrected our mistake this time ?

The RCN likes to leave these folks in place

I wouldn't say the mistake was actually corrected. The fellow is still a CWO after all. He just doesn't happen to be a CWO filling a specific billet.

Fire him, and demote whoever made the decision to put him in that job despite his rather obvious baggage. BGen Trudeau according to the article I guess?