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Sexual Misconduct Allegations in The CAF

MilEME09

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I'm no expert in these matters, apart from a guy who was at the FG end, but it seems this would be a great opportunity to funnel reservists in to beef up a BGp in Latvia.

Class A soldiers would give their eye teeth for a chance to deploy there. Committing enough Reg F leadership to frame out a couple of rifle companies/batteries/squadrons might pay dividends for both our international commitments and increasing reserve capabilities and retention.
From what I am seeing, upcoming rotos have significant reserve augmentation, double digit percentages, ditto for other operations, CAF is learning to utilize the ARes a lot more it seems. Though with our attrition rate, and margins of troops awaiting training, it may be out of necessity rather than a desire to truly use the ARes more.
 

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I'm no expert in these matters, apart from a guy who was at the FG end, but it seems this would be a great opportunity to funnel reservists in to beef up a BGp in Latvia.

Class A soldiers would give their eye teeth for a chance to deploy there. Committing enough Reg F leadership to frame out a couple of rifle companies/batteries/squadrons might pay dividends for both our international commitments and increasing reserve capabilities and retention.

You and I would need to crush a lot of beers to get to the bottom of the PRes integration problem. From my lens the Reg Force continually bends over backwards to try and get PRes to supplement manpower and it always fails or underdelivers at best. There's no shortage of demand for PRes supplementation on our end.
 

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Class A soldiers would give their eye teeth for a chance to deploy there. Committing enough Reg F leadership to frame out a couple of rifle companies/batteries/squadrons might pay dividends for both our international commitments and increasing reserve capabilities and retention.
Just out of curiosity, why would we need to have Reg Force leaderships for these Res Force troops? Why not allow the Res Force leadership to deploy with their own soldiers? I realize a single Unit providing a sub-unit is likely not feasible, but we do/have created Companies complete for DOMOPS from units. One of the chief complaints I hear from my soldiers is that they are tired of being "hole fillers". Maybe that's more of a 5XX thing, but we've got quite a few Company level leaders who would do an outstanding job if given the chance. I would suggest the any Reg force pers tasked to these elm be there more as mentors for the work up period than CoC.
 

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Fair is fair - it is the current PM's problem to deal with since it's coming out on his watch, and he is in an ironic/hypocritical space, and he has shown poor leadership re: denouncing faults/pouring blame downwards publicly, but how many promotions happened under how many other governments to get to this place if the top politicians are to be blamed?
Had O’Toole won the election would all this not be his problem?
 

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Just out of curiosity, why would we need to have Reg Force leaderships for these Res Force troops? Why not allow the Res Force leadership to deploy with their own soldiers? I realize a single Unit providing a sub-unit is likely not feasible, but we do/have created Companies complete for DOMOPS from units. One of the chief complaints I hear from my soldiers is that they are tired of being "hole fillers". Maybe that's more of a 5XX thing, but we've got quite a few Company level leaders who would do an outstanding job if given the chance. I would suggest the any Reg force pers tasked to these elm be there more as mentors for the work up period than CoC.
Tough, but it could be done. I think the Calgary Highlanders filled an entire platoon for one of the Kandahar rotos, if I heard right. I think the Loyal Eddies and I know the Camerons (Ottawa, not Winnipeg) deployed a platoon + of bodies simultaneously, though at least in the latter case, spread out through a TF.

More realistically, each PRes CBG should be able to FG a decent light rifle platoon or two. Mechanizing PRes augmented platoons would mostly be a matter of running the necessary courses on workup, and probably sowing a few experienced mech RegF infanteers throughout.

Attention would need to be paid to make sure PRes platoons within integrated Coys, or sections within platoons, don’t become Leper Det and catch all the shit jobs, or PRes buy in would be lost. But Afghanistan proved that with adequate preparation, reservists can be effectively used up to composite platoons.
 

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So this is all Prime Minister Trudeau’s fault?

That’s kinda what all this boils down to. One story after another about who did what to who?

Don’t get me wrong. Harj is a tool. Should he be canned? Absolutely. Is The PM the reason for all these offences, perceived, alleged, or proven? No
 

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Tough, but it could be done. I think the Calgary Highlanders filled an entire platoon for one of the Kandahar rotos, if I heard right. I think the Loyal Eddies and I know the Camerons (Ottawa, not Winnipeg) deployed a platoon + of bodies simultaneously, though at least in the latter case, spread out through a TF.

More realistically, each PRes CBG should be able to FG a decent light rifle platoon or two. Mechanizing PRes augmented platoons would mostly be a matter of running the necessary courses on workup, and probably sowing a few experienced mech RegF infanteers throughout.

Attention would need to be paid to make sure PRes platoons within integrated Coys, or sections within platoons, don’t become Leper Det and catch all the shit jobs, or PRes buy in would be lost. But Afghanistan proved that with adequate preparation, reservists can be effectively used up to composite platoons.
Cal highs and the Eddie's combined to form a mortor platoon recently as well. If every ARes unit actually met their STARS objectives we would be in a much better position. Example all three ARes Service battalions I'm three div are suppose to be able to field a Company combined with each one expected to field different parts, example 41 svc should field the maintenance platoon hq element plus 3 sections.

Unfortunately I have heard of little desire to reach the goals, instead I've heard push back that they are unrealistic.


But back on topic, with allegations having hit every branch and command, what is the next step for the CAF?
 
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Just out of curiosity, why would we need to have Reg Force leaderships for these Res Force troops? Why not allow the Res Force leadership to deploy with their own soldiers? I realize a single Unit providing a sub-unit is likely not feasible, but we do/have created Companies complete for DOMOPS from units. One of the chief complaints I hear from my soldiers is that they are tired of being "hole fillers". Maybe that's more of a 5XX thing, but we've got quite a few Company level leaders who would do an outstanding job if given the chance. I would suggest the any Reg force pers tasked to these elm be there more as mentors for the work up period than CoC.

If they have the qualified people available, who can deploy for a year, then sure. But, in reality, 90% of the reservists will be Cpl/Ptes and we would need to plan on that basis IIRC.

Now, if we hd a proper 'supply chain' properly constructed to regularly feed reservists into the machine, as opposed to our current hand to mouth approach ...
 

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So this is all Prime Minister Trudeau’s fault?

That’s kinda what all this boils down to. One story after another about who did what to who?

Don’t get me wrong. Harj is a tool. Should he be canned? Absolutely. Is The PM the reason for all these offences, perceived, alleged, or proven? No
You're correct HOWEVER his "leadership" is conspicuous.....by its absence.

NO Prime Minister should have to deal with this and yes its not all JTs fault.
 

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You're correct HOWEVER his "leadership" is conspicuous.....by its absence.

NO Prime Minister should have to deal with this and yes its not all JTs fault.
Well, IMHO we ve got a pretty good PM. Mind you I was rather disappointed when I donned an orange shirt last week and did my best to learn more about truth and reconciliation and he didn’t. He screwed up that one big time. But I can forgive.
 
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Had O’Toole won the election would all this not be his problem?
Same rationale would apply: it is the current PM's problem to deal with since it's coming out on his watch (with caveats removed because we don't know how he would have initially handled it re: laying blame/taking responsiblity) but how many promotions happened under how many other governments to get to this place if the top politicians are to be blamed?

Or, put another way (and this can apply, say, to VAC issues, given the long track record there under multiple team jerseys, too), even if O'Toole was in play as PM ...
His problem, but not his fault.
 

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But back on topic, with allegations having hit every branch and command, what is the next step for the CAF?

Bare minimum to appear to be doing something. Buddies covering for buddies. CAF tries to move on as quick as possible.

Crouchers case is a perfect example that the CAF writ large doesn't give a fuck and you can either accept it or quit if you don't like it.
 

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Bare minimum to appear to be doing something. Buddies covering for buddies. CAF tries to move on as quick as possible.

Crouchers case is a perfect example that the CAF writ large doesn't give a fuck and you can either accept it or quit if you don't like it.
Cynical but likely true unfortunately
 

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Bare minimum to appear to be doing something. Buddies covering for buddies. CAF tries to move on as quick as possible.

Crouchers case is a perfect example that the CAF writ large doesn't give a fuck and you can either accept it or quit if you don't like it.

Kind of like our unofficial motto, right? :)
 

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You and I would need to crush a lot of beers to get to the bottom of the PRes integration problem. From my lens the Reg Force continually bends over backwards to try and get PRes to supplement manpower and it always fails or underdelivers at best. There's no shortage of demand for PRes supplementation on our end.
I take it that your lens is a regular force lens.

During Afghanistan the reserves consistently deployed double digit augmentation. In total, I believe, 4,642 reservists deployed.

The problem from the regular force's point of view is that they want reservists for full tours which usually totals almost a year long commitment by the time predeployment training etc etc is taken into consideration. Much of the reserve force that is available on that basis is already filling thousands of Class B jobs in Ottawa and around the country.

If, for example, the regular force was to set more limited objectives, such as augmenting a rotation for a three-week exercise with a rifle company to augment a battalion or several recce troops to augment a squadron or a troop of artillery to an artillery battery, especially during summer vacation periods, I would suspect that a much greater level of participation would result.

One always has to remember that the vast bulk of the reserve force are only part-timers in the sense of the Army. In reality they are full-timers at civilian jobs and in schools who dedicate their spare time to military service. The key to the issue -- and it only takes a couple of beers to see that -- is that the regular force needs to set achievable goals and create the circumstances that will facilitate achievement. It does happen but, unfortunately, is the exception rather than the rule.

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I take it that your lens is a regular force lens.

During Afghanistan the reserves consistently deployed double digit augmentation. In total, I believe, 4,642 reservists deployed.

The problem from the regular force's point of view is that they want reservists for full tours which usually totals almost a year long commitment by the time predeployment training etc etc is taken into consideration. Much of the reserve force that is available on that basis is already filling thousands of Class B jobs in Ottawa and around the country.

If, for example, the regular force was to set more limited objectives, such as augmenting a rotation for a three-week exercise with a rifle company to augment a battalion or several recce troops to augment a squadron or a troop of artillery to an artillery battery, especially during summer vacation periods, I would suspect that a much greater level of participation would result.

One always has to remember that the vast bulk of the reserve force are only part-timers in the sense of the Army. In reality they are full-timers at civilian jobs and in schools who dedicate their spare time to military service. The key to the issue -- and it only takes a couple of beers to see that -- is that the regular force needs to set achievable goals and create the circumstances that will facilitate achievement. It does happen but, unfortunately, is the exception rather than the rule.

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My observation from 14 years in the army reserve in an urban regiment was that we had generally three categories of troops:

1. The dabblers, who would give it a whirl, finish basic, do maybe a year to a year and a half in the company, then get out.

2. The “School and a bit” crowd who would join either late in high school or early in college/university, and get out within a couple years of graduating once life got busy. Call it 5-7 years.

3. The “Long haulers” who would stick it out into their professional adult lives for as long as they’re able.

Anecdotally, most of us who deployed were younger- Cpl/MCpl. Most of us were either taking a break from or done school, or were not yet settled into a career or a marriage. There were of course plenty of exceptions, but generally very few would deploy in their first decade of a professional career. There were also quite a few who were living the Class B life.

May - August is the big window for students, of course- shorter stuff is easily fit in there, and the FTSE targets this window. For a full deployment though, we’re talking a year and a half to two years. In my case I took two years off after my second year of university. That was a year of workup then six months in theatre. Arguably, our pre deployment time was quite inefficient. We could have done the real work in maybe 6 or 7 months inclusive of our month in Ft Bliss and our month in Wainwright- both of which were also inefficient for my platoon. We sat on our thumbs a lot.

There will always be a lot of young reservists who don’t really have much direction in life yet who will happily grab a tour of any length. For anything lengthy, good NCOs in particular will be harder.
 
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