Seattle is Dying- a video from Mar 2019

[Cloud Cover]

A video well worth watching in the age of "defund the police"; weak mayors, homelessness, citizen frustration etc.  Not specific to BLM, but I have to wonder how much of the subjects in the video are at work and maybe behind the CHAZ/CHOP.

https://youtu.be/bpAi70WWBlw

Note also this comment : " what else can we do to support the police"  "This borders on insane ...."  "Police are afraid to speak out" "Cops are terrified of retaliation"

 

[Blackadder1916]

. . .  how much of the subjects in the video are at work and maybe behind the CHAZ/CHOP.

Could you clarify what you meant by "subjects"?  Are you referring to "topics of discussion" or are you referring to "persons"?

 

[FJAG]

Look folks. This isn't a pure Seattle problem.

We've all known for decades that when North America (including Canada) deinstitutionalised its various mental health facilities and essentially freed a helpless population onto the streets that we'd created a massive homeless problem which was liberally made up of numerous people who had substance abuse and mental health problems and that many have turned to various levels of criminality.

In 1955, for every 100,000 US citizens there were 340 psychiatric hospital beds. In 2005 that number had diminished to 17 per 100,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinstitutionalisation

We essentially made that a policing issue but gave the police very few resources to deal with it.

What used to be a federal and state/provincial health care cost has now become a municipal problem.

For example, this is Honolulu:

I don't think that those are the folks behind CHAZ/CHOP. They strike me as being the usual loose affiliation of various advocate/anarchist/ groups that form the core of most of these types of protests and who are completely incapable of organizing and running anything as complex as municipal services.

Seattle is dealing with this in one of many ways to deal with these kind of situations. I expect that at some point in the not to distant future there will be a major show of force, sealing off and mass arrest operation which will clear up this mess. The key is to have the forces and tactics in place to deal with the follow up protests that will break out.

:cheers:

 

[mariomike]

This isn't a pure Seattle problem.

Today in Harlem.

https://twitter.com/SBANYPD/status/1275529970828431361

WARNING: GRAPHIC

These days everyone has a camera.

From FJAG,

"In 1955, for every 100,000 US citizens there were 340 psychiatric hospital beds. In 2005 that number had diminished to 17 per 100,000."

That's quite a statistic.

 

[ModlrMike]

If my experience trying to get someone admitted to Psych is any measure, that number's probably closer to 10 now.

 

[FJAG]

Today in Harlem.

These days everyone has a camera.

From FJAG,

"In 1955, for every 100,000 US citizens there were 340 psychiatric hospital beds. In 2005 that number had diminished to 17 per 100,000."

That's quite a statistic.

One of the facilities I'm familiar with is the Brandon Mental Health Centre which is located in the SW corner of Manitoba and which at it's peak in 1954 housed 1,700 patients.

The facility was one of many shut down across the country in the latter part of the 20th Century as part of deinstitutionalization. Below is an analysis done at the time of shut down and thereafter providing information on the process and follow up on patients.

https://mspace.lib.umanitoba.ca/bitstream/handle/1993/8579/carr_rachel.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Makes for an interesting (albeit at times tedious read)

:cheers:

 

[OldSolduer]

One of the facilities I'm familiar with is the Brandon Mental Health Centre which is located in the SW corner of Manitoba and which at it's peak in 1954 housed 1,700 patients.

The facility was one of many shut down across the country in the latter part of the 20th Century as part of deinstitutionalization. Below is an analysis done at the time of shut down and thereafter providing information on the process and follow up on patients.

https://mspace.lib.umanitoba.ca/bitstream/handle/1993/8579/carr_rachel.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Makes for an interesting (albeit at times tedious read)

:cheers:

When I was on the ERT we went to the scrap yard near there to use some equipment to try it out.

Quite right about mental health beds - all the experts said the patients could live in the community.

I think that was a bad decision.

 

[mariomike]

One of the facilities I'm familiar with is the Brandon Mental Health Centre which is located in the SW corner of Manitoba and which at it's peak in 1954 housed 1,700 patients.

:cheers:

I love the remote location.

I was stationed near this one from 1972 - 1980.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Centre+for+Addiction+and+Mental+Health/@43.6427811,-79.4206564,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x882b34fde9c6fb65:0xa268f63343c937ae!8m2!3d43.6427811!4d-79.4184677?hl=en

 

[NavyShooter]

Interesting thought.

Does the ramping down of this institutionalization not seem to match the ramping up of mass shooting/spree shootings?

Food for though.

 

[mariomike]

Does the ramping down of this institutionalization < snip >

I'll leave the gun politics for the experts.

But, one opinion I do recall about "ramping down of this institutionalization" was that it left a lot a brain specialists under-employed.

That this led them to taking an interest in the mental health of our emergency services.

 

[Xylric]

I'll leave the gun politics for the experts.

But, one opinion I do recall about "ramping down of this institutionalization" was that it left a lot a brain specialists under-employed.

That this led them to taking an interest in the mental health of our emergency services.

That does not seem like such a bad thing, but I can see how it might have drawbacks.

 

[mariomike]

That does not seem like such a bad thing, but I can see how it might have drawbacks.

I don't know. Maybe people are more resilient than we give them credit for?
Or, maybe not.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Interesting thought.

Does the ramping down of this institutionalization not seem to match the ramping up of mass shooting/spree shootings?

Food for though.

I had a conversation with a client who operates in this 'sector'.

While mental health seems to play a role in some shooting sprees, the people who really need this kind of intensive MH care (look out your window at some of the street people you see wandering around) are too sick to do anything except keep a grip on the basics of life.

 

[FJAG]

I love the remote location.

I was stationed near this one from 1972 - 1980.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Centre+for+Addiction+and+Mental+Health/@43.6427811,-79.4206564,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x882b34fde9c6fb65:0xa268f63343c937ae!8m2!3d43.6427811!4d-79.4184677?hl=en

It still is to a large part. When it was built it was about a mile and a bit to the NE of the City of Brandon. Just to the left (west) of the picture runs 1st Street on the other side of which is a fair bit of new (and some older) residential development (and a public school) while just to the right and down (SE) is a correctional facility. Everything to the north and east is still pretty much like it is in this picture. To the south is the Assiniboine River Valley which is mostly a flood plain there and mostly undeveloped.

Assiniboine Community College has in the last few years taken over a part of the BMHC:

The college's North Hill Campus in Brandon is the location of the former Brandon Mental Health Centre. This location is home to the Manitoba Institute of Culinary Arts, the Len Evans Centre for Trades and Technology and the college's Sustainable Greenhouse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assiniboine_Community_College

:cheers:

 

[Jarnhamar]

Maybe a bit of a rabbit hole, I stumbled across this and thought of this thread about Seattle (which I thought was a really interesting and eye opening video)


Seattle Public Schools Want to Teach Social Justice in Math Class. That Hurts Minorities.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/seattle-public-schools-proposal-teach-social-justice-in-math-class/

Which brings us to "don't call me Ann" doctor of sociology.

MATH is RACIST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2lc8HkOJco

 

[QiioetSpike2020]

We've seen the dark that the far right side of political philosophies can bring us, now we are going to see the dark that the far left wing is capable of.

 

[Kirkhill]

This article from the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/25/dystopia-or-utopia-the-future-of-cities-could-go-either-way

It produced this:

Is the Covid-19 pandemic a death blow to our cities, a stake driven through the heart of our ideal of dense, communal urban living?

I don't think I have ever seen anyone explicitly state that their "personal" ideal is one of dense, communal urban living.  I always assumed it was more of something that one tolerated when forced.

Dense.  How dense is dense?

"July 4 reopening 'not viable' for some pubs and restaurants
Even at one metre, social distancing poses problems for hospitality sector, the industry warns

...We’ve gone down from about 400 to about 60 [capacity] - so that’s a loss-making venture for us.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/06/26/july-4-reopening-not-viable-pubs-restaurants/

1 m separation - Arms length dressing.  Standard dressing in three ranks.  60 people on parade.

400 people on parade in the same space?  Shoulder dressing and crotch to butt.  Where one person stood 9 people now stand.

Little wonder I stopped going to clubs and pubs very early in my life if that is what is required - and why I was never a fan of the football terraces.

I reckon there are a lot of people with an appetite for that life.  I reckon there are a lot of others who see that as a particular type of hell. 

I figure that if you can't make a profit unless you jam a battalion into a class room, when your customers are paying ridiculous prices for the privilege of entering your space and buying your overpriced beer, then your rent might be too high.  Your landlord is charging too much.  And you will be inclined to ask for a rent reduction or reconsider your grift and relocate while finding a new way to put bread on the table.

"The old Victorian prejudice that urban density is a hive of disease and immorality will reign once again."  I congratulate the Graudianista for recognizing that there was life before they were born but I might suggest that the "prejudice" was born long before the Victorians.  People have been abandoning plague ridden cities for millenia.

And still the nomads survive.

:cheers:

 

[mariomike]

June 26, 2020
Urban density doesn’t cause more COVID-19 infections, even promotes lower death rates
https://www.studyfinds.org/surprising-study-urban-density-doesnt-cause-more-covid-19-infections-even-promotes-lower-death-rates/

The study is published in the Journal of the American Planning Association:

18 Jun 2020
Does Density Aggravate the COVID-19 Pandemic?
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01944363.2020.1777891

I worked in the asphalt jungle. I didn't live in it.

Don't know about this 2020 pandemic. But, after the 1918 pandemic, Toronto really developed in the 1920's.

 

[Kirkhill]

And after a few hundred thousand years that is why we are still here.

Some folks bet red. Some bet black.  The house wins.

Freedom of choice.

 

[mariomike]

Some folks bet red. Some bet black.  The house wins.

I don't gamble. Working through SARS put the Fear of God into me.