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Royal Canadian Air Force headed to mission in Africa ‘very soon’: top general

The international development minister seems to add weight to speculation that we will be in Mali.

It also appears our decision may be aimed influence in la Francophonie in addition to the UN.
International development minister says Mali's peacekeeping needs are 'obvious'
Melanie Marquis, The Canadian Press
CTV News
02 Sep 2016

OTTAWA -- While many countries have asked Canada for help with peacekeeping, International Development Minister Marie-Claude Bibeau said Thursday that Mali's needs are some of the most obvious.

Mali is one of the poorest and most vulnerable and fragile countries on the planet, Bibeau said in an interview with The Canadian Press from the country's capital, Bamako.

Bibeau will wrap up her first official trip to Africa on Friday, having visited three francophone countries on the continent's west side: Senegal, Mali and Burkina Faso.

All three were once considered oases of stability on a continent rocked with conflict, yet all have suffered recently from terrorist threats they can't control.

"Unfortunately, (these countries) don't have sufficient resources to face this threat," Bibeau said.

Mali is often cited as one of the countries where Canada could deploy some of the 600 troops Prime Minister Justin Trudeau recently said he will make available for UN peacekeeping operations.

Additionally, the federal government announced Wednesday it was sending a "reconnaissance mission" to take a closer look at the UN peacekeeping operations in Mali, known as MINUSMA.

Bibeau cautioned the "technical" mission shouldn't be seen as a sign Canada is committed to sending peacekeepers to any particular country.

"There are really a large number of countries that unfortunately are on the list of states that have asked us for help through the UN," she said. But she added "the needs are obvious" regarding Mali.

The current UN mission in Mali is one of the most dangerous in the world, with 105 peacekeepers killed there since 2013.

Bibeau said the Liberal government will announce an overall strategy on international development when it attends la Francophonie, the summit of French-speaking nations, in Madagascar in late November.
 
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/international-development-minister-says-mali-s-peacekeeping-needs-are-obvious-1.3055488

 
I'm curious if the police side of it will look more like CIVPOL doing actual operational policing, or if it'll be morebehind the wire POMLT type stuff...
 
Here's to hoping that we're actually roped into Op Barkhane (the French TF in Africa).

About a snowball's chance, I know.
 
The MINUSMA Force Commander should be coming up for rotation early next year.  It would be convenient if Canada had a spare Maj Gen looking for work.  The Dutch also announced in July that they are withdrawing their three chinooks from Mali.  No TCN has offered up to replace them at this point.  :2c:
 
Speculation also related to their Apaches, also being withdrawn.  It's thought that Canads could contribute chinooks and armed griffons.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3771443/Central-Mali-town-falls-suspected-jihadists-officials.html

Central Mali town falls to jihadists: officials

The central Malian town of Boni was under jihadist control on Friday after administrative buildings were attacked and the army driven out, an elected official and a security source told AFP.

Boni is home to several thousand people and remained under the control of the unidentified armed group by nightfall, who fired on administrative buildings and torched the mayor's office in the afternoon.

"At the moment jihadists are in control of the town of Boni. They infiltrated the town and today fired on several buildings," an elected official who requested anonymity said, adding: "the army is no longer there."

At the moment jihadists are in control of the town of Boni in Mali

Ongoing international military intervention since January 2013 has driven Islamist fighters away from major urban centres which they had briefly controlled, but large tracts of Mali are still not controlled by domestic or foreign troops.

Jihadist groups early last year began to carry out attacks in central Mali as well as the long-troubled north.

"We asked our forces present in Boni to withdraw to the locality of Douentza, which has been done," a military source told AFP, also asking not to be named as the Malian army has refused to comment on the incident.

Douentza is around 90 kilometres (56 miles) from Boni.

Residents reached by phone described men entering the town riding motorbikes and carrying weapons, shouting "Allahu Akbar" during the attack and flying several jihadist flags.

"They set fire to the police chief's house, as well as the mayor's office. They kept firing in the air," the resident said.

"I saw the army leave the town," he added. "Some jihadists were on motorbikes and had accomplices inside the town. It was planned."

Lawmakers in Mali agreed to extend a state of emergency across the country in July, after attackers stormed an army base in Nampala, also in the centre, leaving 17 soldiers dead and 35 wounded.

Two groups -- the Islamist organisation Ansar Dine and a newly formed ethnic group -- claimed to have carried out that raid, which the government described as a "coordinated terrorist attack".

Attacks have become more frequent near Mali's borders with Burkina Faso and Niger, both from criminal and jihadist elements.

Long prey to rival armed factions, plagued by drug trafficking and at the mercy of jihadism, Mali has struggled for stability since gaining independence from France in 1960.

Yup, blue helmets seems real appropriate...
 
ballz said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3771443/Central-Mali-town-falls-suspected-jihadists-officials.html

Yup, blue helmets seems real appropriate...
Why not? Couldn't a well trained force deal with some men on motorcycles?
 
Altair said:
Why not? Couldn't a well trained force deal with some men on motorcycles?

I thought the blue helmets reference clearly implied that the comment was meant to criticize the idea of it being a "peacekeeping" or even "peacemaking" mission. But I guess not clearly enough...

If we're going to get involved in this, we should be closing with and destroying, actively disrupting EN operations... not bumbling around like idiots with blue helmets waiting to get blown or brewed up. I suspect the latter part will happen first, and then maybe if we're lucky, the former part will follow after much bureaucratic bullshit by men in suits that aren't worth the silk in their tie.
 
Altair said:
Why not? Couldn't a well trained force deal with some men on motorcycles?

You obviously have not been paying attention to the conversation. Yes, a well trained force could deal with this sort of threat, much like SFOR or ISAF dealt with issues like this in former Yugoslavia and Afghanistan. These were not UN peacekeeping missions, nor were they under the command or control of the UN. These were NATO missions with a UN "mandate" to provide a fig leaf for the politicians to wave in front of the voters, press, academics and the chattering class.

UN "Peacekeeping missions" have mandates and ROEs which generally don't reflect reality, and we end up with cluster****s like UNPROFOR, which did not have the mandate, ROE's or even generally equipment to deal with "some men on motorcycles".

If it makes Gerrald Butts feel like a big man to claim the mission is "peacekeeping", I'd be OK is it is actually an SFOR/ISAF type mission and we don't wear blue aiming markers. Sadly, there is no indication that this sort of reality has penetrated, they still have not stated any actual reason to join this, or any mission, how it supports Canada's Grand Strategy or National Interest or why it is going to be worth the blood of our colleagues and taxpayers treasure to do. Yes, I understand that there are people who are very enthusiastic about deployment, but if your life is going to be placed on the line it should be for something meaningful.
 
France also only has 30 troops assigned to MINUSMA. Op BARKHANE is outside the UN Peacekeeping mandate. If we deploy to help them, we're not wearing blue berets like the Liberals want, ergo we're not deploying to do counter insurgency with the French.
 
Thucydides said:
Yes, I understand that there are people who are very enthusiastic about deployment, but if your life is going to be placed on the line it should be for something meaningful.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner.
 
Thucydides said:
UN "Peacekeeping missions" have  had mandates and ROEs which generally don't did not reflect reality ...
Fixed that for you.  Things have changed.  You can see the government understands this as they have stopped using the term "peacekeeping."  You know the MND understands what such a mission needs to look like on the ground , and I hope you trust the CDS to advise on the capabilities, force package and ROE requirements.

Thucydides said:
... if your life is going to be placed on the line it should be for something meaningful.
It was sold to (and bought by many) Canadian voters as being for altruism.  You can debate if this is adequately meaningful, but it is a meaning that we have attached a great many missions.  We are going to go somewhere, and when we get there we are going to make life better for a lot of people.  Recycle all the media lines about making Afghanistan a better place ... and they will be equally true when we say them about wherever is next. 

Thucydides said:
Gerrald Butts
You over use this boogeyman.  His name is not a mike-drop, and he really does not deserve mention outside the politics thread.
 
PSO is the new terminology and the MND was untraditionally clear on there being potential harm and some element of combat-like engagement if required, so even if Blue helmets are traipsed onto a C-17 leaving Trenton for the media, it would still allow for 'value-added activity' on the ground.  CH-147/146 package wouldn't be a bad thing either...worked pretty well supporting ops from K-har to the tip of the Horn and beyond.  :nod:

Regards,
G2G
 
MCG said:
Fixed that for you.  Things have changed.  You can see the government understands this as they have stopped using the term "peacekeeping."  You know the MND understands what such a mission needs to look like on the ground , and I hope you trust the CDS to advise on the capabilities, force package and ROE requirements.
It was sold to (and bought by many) Canadian voters as being for altruism.  You can debate if this is adequately meaningful, but it is a meaning that we have attached a great many missions.  We are going to go somewhere, and when we get there we are going to make life better for a lot of people.  Recycle all the media lines about making Afghanistan a better place ... and they will be equally true when we say them about wherever is next. 
You over use this boogeyman.  His name is not a mike-drop, and he really does not deserve mention outside the politics thread.
thank you. Sounds better when you say it.
 
Dutch also withdrawing Apaches (replace with armed Griffons?)--from July:

Canadian UN Peacekeeping in Mali? RCAF Helicopters?
https://cgai3ds.wordpress.com/2016/07/26/mark-collins-canadian-un-peacekeeping-in-mali-rcaf-helicopters/

Mark
Ottawa

 
I like the Fireforce orbat, personally, for doing the business in an African context.

A nice little package based on an infantry platoon/ company with helicopter gunship and cargo carrying support, as well as a para assault capability. Ground support QRF was also available as required through armoured cars/ APCs etc. Flexible, fast, fairly cheap, able to cover a large geographical area, and a great overall deterrent, or emergency response set up, with a nice 'sting' if required.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireforce

From what I can determine, the FFL used a similar setup when they banjoed the bad guys in Mali a couple of years ago.
 
MCG said:
Fixed that for you.  Things have changed.  You can see the government understands this as they have stopped using the term "peacekeeping."

The government has stopped using the word peacekeeping?  http://army.ca/forums/threads/123590/post-1452896.html#msg1452896

  8)
 
Eye In The Sky said:
The government has stopped using the word peacekeeping?  http://army.ca/forums/threads/123590/post-1452896.html#msg1452896

  8)
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Not quite stopped, but using it faaaaar less frequently via the Info-machine - only once in the big 26 Aug ann't, and twice in the assoicated Backgrounder -- or three mentions out of about 1,700 words of content.  That's compared to 49 mentions of "peace" in the same 1,700 words.
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I'm kinda looking forward to getting told I'll be charged and sent home if I spray paint any vehicles (or wear unauthorized patches) if we deploy  ;D
 
Now this is something we could do and help us increase our own capabilities http://aviationweek.com/defense/unmanned-peacekeepers-africa
 
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