"Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation

[Eye In The Sky]

The metal rank pins on the collar came in with unification and the green uniform for everyone. At that time, there were no epaulettes on the jacket or the shirt of the service dress. The rank slip-ons were worn on the work dress, which had epaulettes on the jacket and shirt.
When DEUs were introduced in the '80s, the Army keep the CF green uniform with the metal ranks worn on the shirt collar.
That is my recollection. Not sure when epaulettes were added to the Army uniform, probably when they changed the colour from CF Green to Rifle Green.

My dad retired from the RCAF as a WO in ‘81. Definitely was wearing CFs with light green shirt, ranks on collars, forge cap and AF cap badge back then…he got in before unification and the pre/post dress uniform makes me glad we went back to DEU.

 

[McG]

DSSPM is a segment within DLR. It's not the sole PM or PS entity within the CA. We have multiple divisions within the Army G4 to deal with everything from Ammo, Vehicles, Weapons, Operational Dress, and yes, Non-Operational dress.

DSSPM is not a part of DLR nor even CA. It is part of ADM(Mat). Neither DLR nor CA G4 do the PM function; that is also an ADM(Mat) thing. Yes projects move at different speeds. But every PY committed to advancing British buttons is a PY not advancing real, necessary capability. Every GOFO level briefing on British buttons is GOFO time not spent on deficient, necessary capabilities. It has been over a decade of pouring the efforts of “just a few people” into the constant implementation of UK military fashion (including some things with no prior history in Canada). There is a real opportunity cost to that, and there are projects that could have been delivered if we were not so invested in these side shows.

We are the Canadian Army. If some fragile identities need to look British to feel Army, then maybe they need to look in the mirror to find the real problem.

 

[daftandbarmy]

DSSPM is not a part of DLR nor even CA. It is part of ADM(Mat). Neither DLR nor CA G4 do the PM function; that is also an ADM(Mat) thing. Yes projects move at different speeds. But every PY committed to advancing British buttons is a PY not advancing real, necessary capability. Every GOFO level briefing on British buttons is GOFO time not spent on deficient, necessary capabilities. It has been over a decade of pouring the efforts of “just a few people” into the constant implementation of UK military fashion (including some things with no prior history in Canada). There is a real opportunity cost to that, and there are projects that could have been delivered if we were not so invested in these side shows.

We are the Canadian Army. If some fragile identities need to look British to feel Army, then maybe they need to look in the mirror to find the real problem.

Unless you're 'special' of course, then you copy the Yanks

 

[FSTO]

People like to hate on the RCAF colour change to Pearl grey in 2015 or so, but I think it looks a lot nicer than the gold.

The Pearl Grey looks so much better than the old yellar. Anyone who thought those stripes were gold in colour were either blind, drunk, or both!

 

[dimsum]

Unless you're 'special' of course, then you copy the Yanks

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Isn't that the same jacket cut though? Tailored and a different colour, but I don't think it's actually any different than the others.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I don't recall any wearing of ranks on collars in the pre-1968 army. NCO ranks were essentially sewn on the sleeves of patrols, TWs, battledress and combats. For FSOD we wore armlets with the rank sewn on.

The RCN had a khaki uniform that had collar ranks.

An example of the ranks pins is found here.

Canadian Military Police Virtual Museum

According to the above website it was dress no. 22 and 23.

 

[btrudy]

Unless you're 'special' of course, then you copy the Yanks

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I can never get past how absurd blousing of dress pants looks, especially so now that it's no longer required for CADPAT.

The RCN had a khaki uniform that had collar ranks.

An example of the ranks pins is found here.

Canadian Military Police Virtual Museum

According to the above website it was dress no. 22 and 23.

I really wish that we'd gone with Khaki for the NCD replacement. Something like this IMHO looks a lot better than, and of course will be far more comfortable in hotter climates, than the all-black we settled upon.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I can never get past how absurd blousing of dress pants looks, especially so now that it's no longer required for CADPAT.


I really wish that we'd gone with Khaki for the NCD replacement. Something like this IMHO looks a lot better than, and of course will be far more comfortable in hotter climates, than the all-black we settled upon.

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That actually looks a lot better than our submission.

 

[Furniture]

I can never get past how absurd blousing of dress pants looks, especially so now that it's no longer required for CADPAT.


I really wish that we'd gone with Khaki for the NCD replacement. Something like this IMHO looks a lot better than, and of course will be far more comfortable in hotter climates, than the all-black we settled upon.

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Too much common sense there, we can't go around having appropriate uniform for the conditions we work in.

Also, note that the USN (much fitter overall) didn't include a stupid elastic in their shirt either.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I can never get past how absurd blousing of dress pants looks, especially so now that it's no longer required for CADPAT.


I really wish that we'd gone with Khaki for the NCD replacement. Something like this IMHO looks a lot better than, and of course will be far more comfortable in hotter climates, than the all-black we settled upon.

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And they've even thought of having different uniforms for inmates... because you might get confused about who's in more trouble when you're all 'in the Brig'

Navy Adds Color Coding to Prisoner Uniforms to Avoid Brig Mix-Ups​

Yeoman 2nd Class John LeBaron, corrections specialist, Naval Consolidated Brig Chesapeake, models the new post-trial standardized prisoner uniform (left), while Master-at-Arms 2nd Class Neah Rau, corrections specialist, Naval Consolidated Brig Chesapeake models the new pre-trial standardized prisoner uniform. (U.S. Navy photos)


Navy Personnel Command has a new uniform for prisoners at all ashore correctional facilities, and it's uni-service.
Wearing of the new uniform will be mandatory starting May 1 for all prisoners in pre-trial and post-trial confinement at Military Correctional Facilities (MCFs) run by the Navy, regardless of the prisoner's service affiliation, the Navy said in a news release last week.
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The new standardized prison uniform (SPU) also will likely save the Navy money, the release states. The costs associated with buying and maintaining service uniforms for a prisoner become a tremendous and unnecessary fiscal burden to the Navy and the taxpayer, the service said.
The new uniform will come in two colors, dependent on the prisoner's legal status, the release states. Those in pre-trial confinement will get a chocolate-brown uniform, and those in post-trial confinement will get a tan uniform.

Currently, prisoners at Navy MCFs wear their service utility uniforms, in line with the Navy's theory that doing so helps maintain discipline and aids in rehabilitation.

Navy Adds Color Coding to Prisoner Uniforms to Avoid Brig Mix-Ups

The Navy has a new uniform for pre- and post-trial wear in the brig.

www.military.com

 

[dimsum]

I can never get past how absurd blousing of dress pants looks, especially so now that it's no longer required for CADPAT.


I really wish that we'd gone with Khaki for the NCD replacement. Something like this IMHO looks a lot better than, and of course will be far more comfortable in hotter climates, than the all-black we settled upon.

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Call me crazy, but besides the colour and the different pockets, what is drastically different than our new NCD?

 

[Furniture]

Call me crazy, but besides the colour and the different pockets, what is drastically different than our new NCD?

The cut is different as well, but the idea is generally the same.

Colour matters when you're standing around on the non-skid in the sun with an ambient air temp of 30+.

 

[btrudy]

The cut is different as well, but the idea is generally the same.

Colour matters when you're standing around on the non-skid in the sun with an ambient air temp of 30+.

Exactly. I don't really have any major opinions on the cut or the pockets; those are all small potatoes. I've spent enough time sailing around on or near the equator however to know that the new design will be just terrible for hot weather.

Or hell, just Halifax in summer.

If you're going to have only one design, lightweight and cool is the way to go. You can always add layers, but you generally can't take your pants off.

 

[dapaterson]

If you're going to have only one design, lightweight and cool is the way to go. You can always add layers, but you generally can't take your pants off.

#KiltedNavy

 

[btrudy]

#KiltedNavy

Or just bring back uniform shorts.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Or just bring back uniform shorts.

These shorts would look good ... on some people

https://www.bicyclebooth.com/en-ca/products/royal-canadian-navy-bib-shorts

 

[FSTO]

I wore the shorts down in the Caribbean during the Haitian Vacation 91. We had pants with us at all times but it was sure nice and comfy on the pilotage.

 

[Kilted]

Isn't that the same jacket cut though? Tailored and a different colour, but I don't think it's actually any different than the others.

So when they finally switch the Army DEU from Rifle Green to khaki, it will be as simple as that.

 

[dimsum]

So when they finally switch the Army DEU from Rifle Green to khaki, it will be as simple as that.

Except that CANSOF will raise a stink that it looks too close to theirs.

Or something like that.

 

[Maxman1]

The black NCDs look like 1980s action movie henchmen.