"Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation

[Furniture]

Man, you RCAF guys have the best union.

Ping bosn's make spec pay... I'd say the RCN has a decent union too.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Ping bosn's make spec pay... I'd say the RCN has a decent union too.

Point taken.

 

[dimsum]

That happened for SAR techs and is about to happen for air techs as well (and more to come)

To add, from the AMA with DComd RCAF a few months ago, the intent is for all RCAF-managed trades to go through that pay review.

Man, you RCAF guys have the best union.

Lots of people VOT to the RCAF. Not many people VOT from the RCAF

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Ping bosn's make spec pay... I'd say the RCN has a decent union too.

Ya there’s some RCN folks that are Spec 2 category as well (stokers is one IIRC).

 

[dapaterson]

A not-completely-up-to-date of Spec pay trades: Pay rates for Specialist Non-Commissioned Member - Regular Force and Class C Reserve Service - Canada.ca

(Still lists SAR Techs, and there may be other discrepancies as well)

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Man, you RCAF guys have the best union.

Just to add; the last pay review only included 2 aircrew trades; pilot and SAR Tech. There are 9 (maybe 10 now, I heard FE was added) more trades being looked at for the next pay review. One of the things they did was grant a pay raise that included their aircrew allowance; they will have that money added to pensionable earnings.

The way the RCAF is doing this isn’t leaving everyone happy. I have heard from a few different people in other aircrew trades (ACSO/FE/AES Op) some dissatisfaction in that the RCAF could have at least given us our aircrew allowance as part of our base pay; for the same reasons they did it for the first 2 - people don’t loose money by leaving a flying position, and the money has the added value of being pensionable earring vice taxable allowance.

As of the last info that was officially put out (internally), none of the other aircrew trades are part of the next review; so the Union is all that popular in som circles.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I can understand the dissatisfaction.

 

[torg003]

OK, sorry to resurrect this thread, but I had an idea and I wanted to share it. The General rank insignia (or should I say, rank insignia for Generals) was changed from the British style (pips/crowns, crossed sword and baton) back to the Unification era (basically Navy flag officer ranks with maple leaves instead of stars), but with pin-on metal insignia instead of sewn on cloth. I'm sure this change was likely due to American pressure, as they don't really like the British General ranks insignia (doesn't seem to make sense to them) and preferred the old Unification style where all they had to do was count the number of maple leaves to know what the US equivalent would be (i.e. four leaves = four star general).
So I thought why not sort of combine the two - with the crossed sword and baton of the traditional General's ranks with the 1 - 4 maple leaves (indicating level of General) of the Unification era (I guess you could say contemporary era as well). So after all that, here's what I came up with;

 

[Furniture]

OK, sorry to resurrect this thread, but I had an idea and I wanted to share it. The General rank insignia (or should I say, rank insignia for Generals) was changed from the British style (pips/crowns, crossed sword and baton) back to the Unification era (basically Navy flag officer ranks with maple leaves instead of stars), but with pin-on metal insignia instead of sewn on cloth. I'm sure this change was likely due to American pressure, as they don't really like the British General ranks insignia (doesn't seem to make sense to them) and preferred the old Unification style where all they had to do was count the number of maple leaves to know what the US equivalent would be (i.e. four leaves = four star general).
So I thought why not sort of combine the two - with the crossed sword and baton of the traditional General's ranks with the 1 - 4 maple leaves (indicating level of General) of the Unification era (I guess you could say contemporary era as well). So after all that, here's what I came up with;

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Not to be picky, but all you did was move the sword and baton to below the leaves, and remove the crown. How is this "more British", or "less American" than what we currently have?

Our current GOFO rank insignia are clearly neither American nor British, making them very distinctly Canadian.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Not to be picky, but all you did was move the sword and baton to below the leaves, and remove the crown. How is this "more British", or "less American" than what we currently have?

Our current GOFO rank insignia are clearly neither American nor British, making them very distinctly Canadian.

Agreed. Additionally, the Yanks had nothing to do with the return to Unification style GO ranks for the Army. Like most things, the change to Pips and Crowns wasn't communicated properly to all ranks and GOFOs were being confused for NCMs. A return to the maple leaves and Lasagna Braid were self imposed, not due to external pressure.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Thankfully, all our equipment, training and tactics stuff is sorted out across the CAF so we can focus on moving swords n stuff on ranks badges.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Thankfully, all our equipment, training and tactics stuff is sorted out across the CAF so we can focus on moving swords n stuff on ranks badges.

You forgot the 'inclusive language' part of that, which I must have missed: a real game changer on the battlefield apparently

The Canadian Armed Forces modernizes military ranks in French​

February 3, 2022 - Defence Stories

The option to feminize your rank in French, as well as apply changes such as modifying the article or adjective, will be available to all CAF members, ensuring each has the opportunity to choose the version that they feel best represents who they are and how they are recognized.

Modernizing the ranks in French is one of a number of initiatives being undertaken by the Defence Team in order to help us achieve an environment in which all members see and experience the respect they deserve.

The Canadian Armed Forces modernizes military ranks in French - Canada.ca

Beginning this month, members can be addressed by the French version of the rank that they feel best represents their gender identity.

www.canada.ca

 

[torg003]

Not to be picky, but all you did was move the sword and baton to below the leaves, and remove the crown.

Yes, that's right. That's exactly what I did.

How is this "more British", or "less American" than what we currently have?

Never said that it was more British or less American. The more British part was talking about the re-adoption of the pre-unification British ranks (pips and crowns). See below.
The current General ranks are basically the return to Unification General ranks which were based on the old RCN Admiral shoulder board ranks with the stars being replaced with the maple leaves (so not really an Army rank).
The picture I posted was basically a combo of both.
Was just an idea, not advocating that things be changed (I know they won't).

 

[RedFive]

You forgot the 'inclusive language' part of that, which I must have missed: a real game changer on the battlefield apparently

The Canadian Armed Forces modernizes military ranks in French​

February 3, 2022 - Defence Stories

The option to feminize your rank in French, as well as apply changes such as modifying the article or adjective, will be available to all CAF members, ensuring each has the opportunity to choose the version that they feel best represents who they are and how they are recognized.

Modernizing the ranks in French is one of a number of initiatives being undertaken by the Defence Team in order to help us achieve an environment in which all members see and experience the respect they deserve.

The Canadian Armed Forces modernizes military ranks in French - Canada.ca

Beginning this month, members can be addressed by the French version of the rank that they feel best represents their gender identity.

www.canada.ca

I thought using gendered language was not on these days? I'm so confused...

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I thought using gendered language was not on these days? I'm so confused...

Then welcome to the CAF! 😝

 

[Eye In The Sky]

You forgot the 'inclusive language' part of that, which I must have missed: a real game changer on the battlefield apparently

The Canadian Armed Forces modernizes military ranks in French​

February 3, 2022 - Defence Stories

The option to feminize your rank in French, as well as apply changes such as modifying the article or adjective, will be available to all CAF members, ensuring each has the opportunity to choose the version that they feel best represents who they are and how they are recognized.

Modernizing the ranks in French is one of a number of initiatives being undertaken by the Defence Team in order to help us achieve an environment in which all members see and experience the respect they deserve.

The Canadian Armed Forces modernizes military ranks in French - Canada.ca

Beginning this month, members can be addressed by the French version of the rank that they feel best represents their gender identity.

www.canada.ca

I think? Isn’t everyone a they or them? Baby-self…I dunno. I can’t keep up anymore.

 

[dapaterson]

I thought using gendered language was not on these days? I'm so confused...

English - no

French - toujours

 

[dimsum]

Oh hey, is this the thread where we talk about peaked caps for everyone, Square Rig, and Sam Browne belts?

 

[dapaterson]

We need Canadian Marines who, in a typical Canadian compromise, would wear square rig with a Sam Browne belt, and only be employed in an airborne role.

 

[Edward Campbell]

Oh hey, is this the thread where we talk about peaked caps for everyone, Square Rig, and Sam Browne belts?

Because there's just nothing like an unpolished Sam Browne belt worn over an un-tailored or ill-tailored uniform to make an officer look smart ...