"Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation

[Bird_Gunner45]

"and which apparently cannot be recognized by allies."

Seeing as how 4 of the 5 eyes allies (who should be our primary concern) use pips in one form or another, I'm guessing we can read that allies=Americans.

Talking to people at work today, we agreed that the change is likely due to a general going down the US and not being instantly recognized by an American soldier as being a general (we used the analogy that he went to the PX and didn't get saluted by a US cpl). He then came back to Canada and told the other NDHQ people that this was reprehensible and had to be fixed.

 

[jollyjacktar]

When my dad came back from overseas in 45, my mum met him in NYC.  One night, he took her out on the town to see Guy Lombardo and his orchestra at one of the clubs.  Dad wore his Artillery mess kit with the three pips of a Captain.  The maître d greeted them both and ushered them to one of the best tables in the house.  Guy Lombardo made a point to come over and meet them as they were fellow Canadians.  It also didn't hurt that the maître d was all aflutter as he thought dad was a Lieutenant General with those three stars.  Dad always loved telling that story.

 

[Privateer]

Seeing as how 4 of the 5 eyes allies (who should be our primary concern) use pips in one form or another, I'm guessing we can read that allies=Americans.

Talking to people at work today, we agreed that the change is likely due to a general going down the US and not being instantly recognized by an American soldier as being a general (we used the analogy that he went to the PX and didn't get saluted by a US cpl). He then came back to Canada and told the other NDHQ people that this was reprehensible and had to be fixed.

This was my completely non-evidence-based guess as well.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Perhaps the problem is that the "Canada" name badges are not bilingual.  Shouldn't they be "Canada/Canada", so it's in both official languages?  Of course, for 25% of them, it would have to read "Canada/Canada".

Well, you've done it now.  I guess we know what the next idea will be WRT uniform changes.  :blotto:

 

[Harris]

Here you go.  Everything you wanted to know about the Vimy Star but were afraid to ask.

 

[jollyjacktar]

File won't open.

 

[Harris]

Works for Mike and I.  User interface error?  ;D

If you PM me your email I can send it to you that way.

 

[dapaterson]

Fine here.

 

[a_majoor]

More time, money and resources that are not being applied to getting trucks, boots, training ammunition, and other things that are important to operational readiness.....

 

[Edward Campbell]

Here you go.  Everything you wanted to know about the Vimy Star but were afraid to ask.

Thanks for that.

But, why Vimy? Why not Batoche or Paardeberg or Ortona or Kapyong? or, or, or? Will regiments that don't carry Vimy as a battle honour now want the Hill 70 star?

Why, in fact, anything at all? Couldn't they just make Vigilamus pro Te go all the way 'round?

:dunno:

 

[Bird_Gunner45]

Thanks for that.

But, why Vimy? Why not Batoche or Paardeberg or Ortona or Kapyong? or, or, or? Will regiments that don't carry Vimy as a battle honour now want the Hill 70 star?

Why, in fact, anything at all? Couldn't they just make Vigilamus pro Te go all the way 'round?

:dunno:

I have to agree fully after seeing the new pip. While I agree with them that Vimy was a major battle, I would disagree that winning Vimy was what got us a seat at the peace conference or that Vimy was even the most important battle that Canada fought in WW1 (I would suggest that the 100 days was of more strategic significance).

Also, as you mentioned, what of the units that already had Vimy as part of their colours? There is something strange about the distinct need to put a single battle onto what is an outward expression of authority.... Perhaps we can throw Dieppe onto the Jr NCO ranks in 2042?

 

[Snakedoc]

Why are we spending money on this again?  The two look exactly the same unless you went right up and looked under a magnifying glass.. 

 

[daftandbarmy]

Thanks for that.

But, why Vimy? Why not Batoche or Paardeberg or Ortona or Kapyong? or, or, or? Will regiments that don't carry Vimy as a battle honour now want the Hill 70 star?

Why, in fact, anything at all? Couldn't they just make Vigilamus pro Te go all the way 'round?

:dunno:

We were commanded by a British General at Vimy, maybe that has something to do with it?

Meanwhile, I've been looking through my old gear box for puttees. At this rate it's not going to be long before they are reintroduced.

 

[jollyjacktar]

Thanks for that.

But, why Vimy? Why not Batoche or Paardeberg or Ortona or Kapyong? or, or, or? Will regiments that don't carry Vimy as a battle honour now want the Hill 70 star?

Why, in fact, anything at all? Couldn't they just make Vigilamus pro Te go all the way 'round?

:dunno:

Nothing says Canada in the twenty first century like wasting money on Latin from the first century.  rly:

 

[McG]

It feels like the war of 1812 pin but more permanent.

 

[The Bread Guy]

But, why Vimy? Why not Batoche or Paardeberg or Ortona or Kapyong? or, or, or? Will regiments that don't carry Vimy as a battle honour now want the Hill 70 star?

Yellow=cultural sensitivities?
Orange = no round-number anniversaries coming up in the immediate future?

It feels like the war of 1812 pin but more permanent.

With all the changes over the past 2-3 years, I'd be flexible about what "permanent" means ...

 

[Hungover_cat]

The "change" from the Maltese Cross to the Cross of Military Merit was what really got me:

"General 1: So that Maltese Cross is kind of an issue being associated with the crusades and all.

General 2: Guy's! This totally looks like our other medal! Let's just call it that! No need to change anything!

General 1: That's the kind of thinking we need more of these days! Good thinking, General 2!"

To extrapolate: You can't just take a swastika, call it something else, and have everything associated with the symbol just magically disappear.

SMH.

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[Hungover_cat]

Read: "You can't take the shit-spots off a shit-leopard, Randy"

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[Journeyman]

To extrapolate: You can't just take a swastika, call it something else, and have everything associated with the symbol just magically disappear.

True, but if you say "It saves considerable cost as there is no change to CADPAT, DEU slip-ons, or members’ mess dress," and underline it, then everyone will magically believe we're ahead, budget-wise.


Hey, I've got an idea for some considerable cost savings....  :threat:

 

[dimsum]

:stirpot:

Hey, it's been 6 years or so since the RCN piped up (pun intended) with some form of uniform change.  Why aren't the MAREs/LOG/INT officers not pushing for pre-Unification branch colours between the rank rings to distinguish themselves from the dirty MARS types? 

Yes, I do like to watch the world burn.

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