"Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation

[Flavus101]

Then let's stop suggesting changing how we pronounce ranks and focus on the issues that matter. Who knows what good idea fairies are lurking around...  :dunno:

 

[Pusser]

We could also take a "traditional" page from the WRCNS book and go with "third officer," "second officer," "first officer," etc.  > :stirpot:

 

[The Bread Guy]

So, I guess this guy should save his letter in historic archives now?  >

Nice letter today [size=8pt](20 Aug 2013) from @pmharper thanking me for my support in gov. restoring Canadian Army traditional rank insignia. HonLCol Vic Fedeli[/size]

 

[The Bread Guy]

What a load of bullshit bafflegab that was. :facepalm:

My fave ...

... The transition will bring the Canadian Army General Officers shoulder rank insignia into harmony with the shoulder rank insignia of the Flag Officers of the Royal Canadian Navy and Royal Canadian Air Force and lessen the chance of confusion for Canadians and our international allies ...

Funny, where have I heard that before, about 440 days ago (also attached if link doesn't work)?

... The return to the common use of traditional and internationally recognized Army rank convention of stars and crowns has already received favourable comments from officers serving with NATO, who say that the restored Canadian rank is more easily recognized by our allies ...

I guess there were still "recognition issues" - this change'll REALLY make our officers recognized - a year's a long time for the Directorate of Buttons & Bows (see attached badge), I guess ... :facepalm:

 

[Loachman]

So, I guess this guy should save his letter in historic archives now?  >

I hope that somebody tells that idiot what a lot of us think.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

I hope that somebody tells that idiot what a lot of us think.

Well colour me guilty

 

[The Bread Guy]

I hope that somebody tells that idiot what a lot of us think.

I wish it would make a difference, but I suspect it won't ... 

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

Damage has been done

 

[Journeyman]

"It is easier for the mediocre intelligence to
become an authority on buttons than on tactics"

Sir Basil Liddell Hart
Thoughts on War
1944

Truthful, but also obvious. Dress is something that can be reduced to absolutes with clear choices, and is easy to check on and criticize. Tactics and all that goes with it requires some discretion, a combination of deductive and subjective reasoning and the strength of character to make a decision without all the facts.

Yes; Correct. 

The 'so what' comes from taking a look at the ratio of strategic thinking : buttons & bows coming out of NDHQ;  maybe Ottawa has more than its fair share of people needing mandatory IQ tests signing off on this garbage.



I realize that perhaps my one personality flaw is being too subtle. 

 

[Happy Guy]

Removed link to he who is to remain absent from this site.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I worked for Gen Vance years ago.  I can honestly state that he remained true to The RCR slogan: "Never pass a fault".  He would have no problem in dealing with rebellious BGens over this button and bow issue.  There is something more to this in my opinion.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Happy Guy...

Thou shalt not post a link to that reporter on this site....

MILNET.CA MENTOR

 

[medicineman]

Or, Loachman, we could go whole hog and render all of these foreign names back into common English.

To wit: 

Lieutenant becomes "Place Holder"
2nd Lieutenant becomes "Assistant Place Holder"

In the same vein

Captain becomes "Head"
Sergeant becomes "Servant"
Sergeant Major becomes "Senior Servant"

Colonel becomes "Head of the Column"
Lieutenant Colonel becomes "Head of the Column's Place Holder"

The General Ranks then become "General Head" to replace the original Captain-General.
The other General Ranks would be:

"The General Head's Place Holder" (Lieutenant-General)
"The General Head's Senior Servant" (Major-General)
"Head of the Formation" (Brigadier).

And everything is reduced to modern English. Clarity ensues.

Oops! Forgot one.  Corporal becomes Body - as in the body of troops. - Canadianized to Buddy.

Makes me think of a very anti OP HONOUR joke...like how do you tell the head nurse on a ward?  By the dirty knees...wonder if the same holds true for the above?

Now back to your regularly scheduled slamming of our "misappropriation of much needed money for important things" brigade.

MM

 

[jollyjacktar]

I worked for Gen Vance years ago.  I can honestly state that he remained true to The RCR slogan: "Never pass a fault".  He would have no problem in dealing with rebellious BGens over this button and bow issue.  There is something more to this in my opinion.

I worked in the same building as him in KAF when I was inside the wire.  There is not one thing I could say against the man and his ethics,  he has my utmost respect and loyalty.  And you're right, he does not pass a fault.  As I found out during my first ever encounter with him. 

 

[Happy Guy]

Happy Guy...

Thou shalt not post a link to that reporter on this site....

MILNET.CA MENTOR

ACK.  My apologizes.

 

[medicineman]

The CDS was my CO when I was first at 2RCR as HQ/Combat Support Coy's medic - we'd had some very interesting chats, plus he wandered in on some classes I was teaching.  He also lit me up on the battalion net once...all while I was getting lit up by two other company commanders at the same time.  He's a very pleasant guy, but can turn on a dime and make you feel very tiny if need be...or wish you were very tiny.

MM

 

[Nfld Sapper]

ACK.  My apologizes.

No worries...

 

[jollyjacktar]

Thankfully his reaction to me was a "nice" correction on how I phrased my answers to his questions.  The fault was all mine and well deserved.    :-[

 

[Snakedoc]

So I finally had a chance to read the CANFORGEN on the 'evolution of CA officer ranks.'

Anybody know how the inclusion of the Vimy Star and the alteration to the pips for OCdt to Colonel ranks will look like?  Is this a permanent thing or just to recognize the centennial of vimy ridge for the year?

 

[Edward Campbell]

So I finally had a chance to read the CANFORGEN on the 'evolution of CA officer ranks.'

Anybody know how the inclusion of the Vimy Star and the alteration to the pips for OCdt to Colonel ranks will look like?  Is this a permanent thing or just to recognize the centennial of vimy ridge for the year?

What's a "Vimy Star?"

My reading of the bits I have seen is that the pip (which is now the star of the Order of the Bath)

... will be replaced by the Vimy Star ... whatever that is. But, what about Guards regiments? Will they change their distinctive pips, too?

 

[Loachman]

Is this a permanent thing

What we are learning is that nothing is permanent, and that some idiot, somewhere, is constantly redefining what is "traditional".