Prof. Byers Strikes Out
- Thread starter Edward Campbell
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Byers is Hard Core NDP . . . wrote their Defense Policy Paper among other things. So when he speaks, it is not as an unbiased Professor trying to get to the truth . . he's spinning for Taliban Jack & his horde of happy socialists.
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2007/05/i-guess-context-doesnt-matter-anymore.html
"It was only when I started to look into Byers' ties to the NDP that I became more upset. According to a piece at AGWN, in the past year and a half, he has donated at least four times to the federal NDP. Terry Glavin tells us that Byers is a "senior adviser to the NDP," an suggestion backed up by the fact that he wrote a defence policy discussion paper for the NDP in the spring of 2005 that was praised by Bill Blaikie, the party's defence critic at that time. Unless there's another Michael Byers involved in the NDP riding association for Vancouver Quadra, he was actually a delegate to the 2006 NDP convention in Quebec (pdf)!
Byers himself has apparently bragged about his deep roots within the party:
Byers closed the night with an anecdote. His friend, Dawn Black, an NDP Member of Parliament, was recently named by NDP leader, Jack Layton, as the party’s defense critic. Apparently, Dawn knows nothing about defense but was named just because she is the smartest cookie in the NDP caucus. So Dawn phones up her pal, Professor Michael Byers, to ask him what she needs to know. “All I know is that peace is good and war is bad” says Dawn. Byers fawningly replies: “Dawn, you’ll be just fine.”
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2007/05/i-guess-context-doesnt-matter-anymore.html
"It was only when I started to look into Byers' ties to the NDP that I became more upset. According to a piece at AGWN, in the past year and a half, he has donated at least four times to the federal NDP. Terry Glavin tells us that Byers is a "senior adviser to the NDP," an suggestion backed up by the fact that he wrote a defence policy discussion paper for the NDP in the spring of 2005 that was praised by Bill Blaikie, the party's defence critic at that time. Unless there's another Michael Byers involved in the NDP riding association for Vancouver Quadra, he was actually a delegate to the 2006 NDP convention in Quebec (pdf)!
Byers himself has apparently bragged about his deep roots within the party:
Byers closed the night with an anecdote. His friend, Dawn Black, an NDP Member of Parliament, was recently named by NDP leader, Jack Layton, as the party’s defense critic. Apparently, Dawn knows nothing about defense but was named just because she is the smartest cookie in the NDP caucus. So Dawn phones up her pal, Professor Michael Byers, to ask him what she needs to know. “All I know is that peace is good and war is bad” says Dawn. Byers fawningly replies: “Dawn, you’ll be just fine.”
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Captain Sensible said:
But is doesnt explain we the CF is called the 'CF' and not the 'CAF'. Are you saying the names are interchangeable and that either can be used?
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So there you have it in one Herr Hauptmann: how bureaucratese can successfully screw up the English language and two definitions in one simple sentence.
Your "employer" is actually the Canadian Armed Forces but nobody refers to it as that because it is also referred to as the Canadian Forces in the same sentence.
Now either BOTH the CF and the CAF are equally legitimate - although that seems unlikely because the sentence stipulates that the CF is to be CALLED the CAF, or else the phrase Canadian Forces was in common usage prior to the promulgation of this sentence - I just arrived in this country in 1966 and so am unaware of what you called yourselves between 1964 and 1966 but I clearly remember CAF on buses and aircraft between 1967 and the early '70's, or else some bureaucrat screwed up by capitalizing the "f" in the Canadian Forces.
The form "14. The CanadianForces forces are the armed forces of Her Majesty raised by Canada and consist of one Service called the Canadian Armed Forces." would seem to make more sense to me and would have prevented a whole lot of agonizing in the messes.
Of course then the argument would have revolved around CAF could also equal Confederate Air Force or even the Canadian Air Force prior to the addition of the "Royal" prefix.
In fact, if the whole Service were granted a "Royal" cypher then you would all have been known as the RCAF or Royal Canadian Armed Forces.
Perhaps that was Erk Hellyer's grand plan for his Global Mobile Force from the get go - to make the Junior Service the Supreme Service and pissoff the Navy and the Army ;D
Your "employer" is actually the Canadian Armed Forces but nobody refers to it as that because it is also referred to as the Canadian Forces in the same sentence.
Now either BOTH the CF and the CAF are equally legitimate - although that seems unlikely because the sentence stipulates that the CF is to be CALLED the CAF, or else the phrase Canadian Forces was in common usage prior to the promulgation of this sentence - I just arrived in this country in 1966 and so am unaware of what you called yourselves between 1964 and 1966 but I clearly remember CAF on buses and aircraft between 1967 and the early '70's, or else some bureaucrat screwed up by capitalizing the "f" in the Canadian Forces.
The form "14. The Canadian
Of course then the argument would have revolved around CAF could also equal Confederate Air Force or even the Canadian Air Force prior to the addition of the "Royal" prefix.
In fact, if the whole Service were granted a "Royal" cypher then you would all have been known as the RCAF or Royal Canadian Armed Forces.
Perhaps that was Erk Hellyer's grand plan for his Global Mobile Force from the get go - to make the Junior Service the Supreme Service and pissoff the Navy and the Army ;D
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Heck ... if this solves anything ...
Just Google "Canadian Armed Forces" and witness the top 3 hits for "Canadian Armed Forces" are our official recruiting sites ... then enter those sites and witness the immediate reversion to "Canadian Forces." >
Although Wikipedia says it was shortened due to its being easier to translate to french ... Hey, I'm not saying that's the reason ... heck, wikipedia is still looking for a citation for that tidbit.
Just Google "Canadian Armed Forces" and witness the top 3 hits for "Canadian Armed Forces" are our official recruiting sites ... then enter those sites and witness the immediate reversion to "Canadian Forces." >
Although Wikipedia says it was shortened due to its being easier to translate to french ... Hey, I'm not saying that's the reason ... heck, wikipedia is still looking for a citation for that tidbit.
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Canada Gazette
... Honourable Michaëlle Jean, is pleased to advise, as Commander-in-Chief of the Canadian
Armed Forces, that the following military badges have been approved: ..
The Canada Gazette uses both CAF and CF, go figure. Captain Sensible states it is a myth. At the time I looked it up, I was the G1 at CBG, with the responsibility for recruiting as one of my terms of reference. The dispute with the recruiting system was that their media advertising was always Reg F. The suggestion was to add a blurb at the end of the e.g. TV ad, "Full Time or Part Time" or " Reg F or Res ". Also the CFRC tricolour banner was Canadian Armed Forces, one word on each coloured line. CF Recruiting Group of course poo pooed they idea from a mere Reservist - lack of space. So told them of the name change circ 1969 from CAF to CF. So there was space available. Found it in QR & O's. Remember hearing of it in the media at the time. and the uproar from Vets. I believe it was an Order In Council. A few months later it was changed. That does not mean I had any influence in the change, but that's my story. Also suggest a "bus wrap" of CF pers and eqpt for city transit buses at that time.
PS Phoned the officer in charge of CF Recruiting Group advertising in NDHQ to complain about how our quarterly print advertising was not the ad requested/day/media source. He told me he could not do anything about it as it was out of his hands, etc. Reluctantly, very, very, he told me the name of the media contractor. I phoned the contractor in Montreal to try and find out the answer as to why our requests were changed. Left a message with the company receptionest to have the account manager phone me back. Two days later, got a phone call from a Colonel in NDHQ who apologised for the CF Recruiting Group desk officer attitude, but said "please" never ever, ever contact that advertising company again. So guess which company was eventually caught in Ad Scam? True story.
... Honourable Michaëlle Jean, is pleased to advise, as Commander-in-Chief of the Canadian
Armed Forces, that the following military badges have been approved: ..
The Canada Gazette uses both CAF and CF, go figure. Captain Sensible states it is a myth. At the time I looked it up, I was the G1 at CBG, with the responsibility for recruiting as one of my terms of reference. The dispute with the recruiting system was that their media advertising was always Reg F. The suggestion was to add a blurb at the end of the e.g. TV ad, "Full Time or Part Time" or " Reg F or Res ". Also the CFRC tricolour banner was Canadian Armed Forces, one word on each coloured line. CF Recruiting Group of course poo pooed they idea from a mere Reservist - lack of space. So told them of the name change circ 1969 from CAF to CF. So there was space available. Found it in QR & O's. Remember hearing of it in the media at the time. and the uproar from Vets. I believe it was an Order In Council. A few months later it was changed. That does not mean I had any influence in the change, but that's my story. Also suggest a "bus wrap" of CF pers and eqpt for city transit buses at that time.
PS Phoned the officer in charge of CF Recruiting Group advertising in NDHQ to complain about how our quarterly print advertising was not the ad requested/day/media source. He told me he could not do anything about it as it was out of his hands, etc. Reluctantly, very, very, he told me the name of the media contractor. I phoned the contractor in Montreal to try and find out the answer as to why our requests were changed. Left a message with the company receptionest to have the account manager phone me back. Two days later, got a phone call from a Colonel in NDHQ who apologised for the CF Recruiting Group desk officer attitude, but said "please" never ever, ever contact that advertising company again. So guess which company was eventually caught in Ad Scam? True story.
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That is embarassing...we cant even figure out what whether the true name is CF or CAF.
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