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November 2015: Paris Bataclan attack/hostage taking

BurnDoctor said:
Re: the above post: 'splain to me why Turkey is still in NATO?

We're too much of a coward to kick them out?

We have a fellow NATO country that is buying millions of dollars of oil a every month from ISIS. That's pretty messed up.
 
Jarnhamar said:
We're too much of a coward to kick them out?

We have a fellow NATO country that is buying millions of dollars of oil a every month from ISIS. That's pretty messed up.

The Turks are "Useful Idiots"
 
Journeyman said:
  ::)  Yet you chose to post it, which sadly (given your track-record of well-argued posts [regardless of my agreement] ), really detracts on the credibility scale. Sorry.

Which is why I chose to only post the exerpt, which is mostly grounded in well understood 4GW principles. Sometimes you have to sift through a lot of chaff to get the kernel of wheat....
 
Thucydides said:
A prediction. Given the growing size and strength of the nativist movement in Europe, something like this could spell the end of the EU and the start of a horrifying "Reconquista" in Europe as nationalists unite to drive out first the migrants and then anyone else who isn't "from there". Since Europeans are already busy burning down refugee centres it isn't too difficult to see them taking up arms when they see the situation becomes even more dire. (Note, while the scenario seems sound, reading the rest of the post is going to be rather head spinning :

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/bracken-tet-take-two-islams-2016-european-offensive/

Even if he's partially correct in his fears and theories, it's terrifying to contemplate.
 
Back to the Paris attack specifically, here's what appears to be a U.S. government report on the attack, "DHS-FBI-NCTC Bulletin: Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures Used in November 2015 Paris Attacks" (source) - from the report:
This Joint Intelligence Bulletin (JIB) is intended to provide a review of the tactics, techniques, and procedures demonstrated by the perpetrators of the 13 November 2015 attacks in Paris, France. This JIB does not provide analysis of any follow-on operations or operations occurring in Europe in the wake of the attacks. It relies on a variety of open source and media reporting for the analysis, which could change as official details of the post-incident investigations come to light. This JIB is intended to support the activities of DHS, FBI and NCTC to assist federal, state, and local government counterterrorism and law enforcement officials, first responders, and private-sector security partners in effectively deterring, preventing, preempting, or responding to terrorist attacks against the United States. Information in this JIB is current as of 23 November 2015 ...
 
I was reading about patient care at the Paris attacks compared to the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing. The North American model is often called "scoop and run". The French model is referred to as "stay and play."

 
mariomike said:
I was reading about patient care at the Paris attacks compared to the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing. The North American model is often called "scoop and run". The French model is referred to as "stay and play."
IIRC, this is likely possible in France because there's an MD in at least some ambulances.
 
milnews.ca said:
IIRC, this is likely possible in France because there's an MD in at least some ambulances.

That is my understanding as well.

"The French philosophy on emergency medical care is to provide a higher level of care at the scene of the incident, and so SMUR (Service Mobile d'Urgence et Reanimation) units are staffed by a qualified physician along with a nurse and/or emergency medical technician. This contrasts with systems in other parts of the world, notably the Anglo-Saxon countries (United Kingdom, United States, Australia etc.) where care on scene is conducted primarily by paramedics or emergency medical technicians, with physicians only becoming involved on scene at the most complex or large scale incidents.

The result is that a SMUR unit will typically spend a long time on scene compared with a paramedic ambulance in a different system, as the physician may conduct a full set of observations, examinations and interventions before removal to hospital. This feature is often contrasted the British or American system, especially in high profile incidents, such as the death of Diana, Princess of Wales in Paris, where the nearly 2 hour delay before arrival at hospital has been ascribed by some as a major contributory factor in her death."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_medical_services_in_France#SMUR

If that accident had occurred in Toronto, rather than Paris, she would likely have been inside a Level 1 Trauma Centre within 30 minutes.

Not to say one system is better than the other, just different.


 
Another suspect was arrested in Belgium on Tuesday.

Paris attacks: Belgian police arrest ninth suspect
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35174761
 
From the FDNY Center for Terrorism and Disaster Preparedness,
Paris Terror Attack:
https://info.publicintelligence.net/FDNY-ParisAttacks.pdf

They discuss "Doomed Captives" - "Not Hostages”.
Media reported 60-100 hostages at the Bataclan
No demands were made
A true hostage situation would have involved demands
In reality, there were no “hostages” – only “doomed captives” whose only hope for survival hinged on escape or rescue
Captives used to prolong attack, maximizing media coverage
Attackers planned to kill captives from the start

"The new “spectacular” standard – now conducted in the West"

“Paris-style” = “Mumbai-style”

Suicide Bomber as Secondary Device

Potential Role of Fire and Smoke
"If employed as in Mumbai, fire and smoke as a weapon (FSW) would have greatly complicated the response scenario."
"Possible scenario: burning building with hundreds trapped inside"

Targeted first responders

They discuss the school attack in Russia back in 2004 where over 150 hostages were killed.

Coordinated Medical Response
I believe the question of "surge capacity" for a Mass Casualty Incident ( MCI ) is a very real concern.


 
The Belgians have now reached ten suspects arrested for the Paris attack.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/10th-suspect-arrested-in-belgium-in-paris-attacks-probe-1.2719130
 
The "mastermind" behind the terrorist incident in Paris has been arrested in Brussels.  (shame he survived the arrest)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/belgium-brussels-police-raid-1.3497637
 
jollyjacktar said:
The "mastermind" behind the terrorist incident in Paris has been arrested in Brussels.  (shame he survived the arrest)

I think its perfect he survived the arrest. He would want to be a martyr. Lets take that away. Long, long life in prison with very little contact to the outside world.
 
It is a shame the French don't still have Devil's Island in operation if he must remain alive.
 
jollyjacktar said:
The "mastermind" behind the terrorist incident in Paris has been arrested in Brussels.  (shame he survived the arrest)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/belgium-brussels-police-raid-1.3497637

On the other hand, he may end up being a good source of information/ intelligence.
 
Retired AF Guy said:
On the other hand, he may end up being a good source of information/ intelligence.

On one level I understand,  however,  on another level I want to see him sewn into a large Boar's carcus and buried alive. And that level is the stronger one.
 
March 27, 2016

Paris offers free first aid training to the public so they are better prepared for possible terror attacks.
The measure creating the sessions was approved by the Paris city council in December in the wake of the Nov. 13 attacks that killed 130 people.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/aid-training-paris-terror-attack-preparation-article-1.2578955
 
mariomike said:
March 27, 2016

Paris offers free first aid training to the public so they are better prepared for possible terror attacks.
The measure creating the sessions was approved by the Paris city council in December in the wake of the Nov. 13 attacks that killed 130 people.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/aid-training-paris-terror-attack-preparation-article-1.2578955

Good idea even if there wasn't an elevated terror threat.
 
jollyjacktar said:
On one level I understand,  however,  on another level I want to see him sewn into a large Boar's carcus and buried alive with hot coals so he cooks to death before asphyxiation*. And that level is the stronger one.

*I completely agree :)
 
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