Non-Binery in the forces

[Ash1994]

Hey there! So I have been picked to go to my part 2 medical and my interview . As one you expect I am super excited about starting my career. There is one thing on my mind though. You see I am non binery. It's kinda like being transgender, except you are not actually going full out on transitioning. Basically I was born a male, my ID says male however I am super feminine (bright clothing, long hair,make up enthusiast and on a mild dose of hormones). I am on HRT only because I felt super uncomfortable with a body full of testosterone and need to have one of the two primary gender hormones to avoid unpleasant things like osteoporosis. I have a host of great references through jobs and landlords (I often get promoted very fast and have a great track record of keeping agreements and paying rent). I aced my aptitude and got options well above what I applied for aswell. I am also far from a coward (kinda thing you pick up when others think you are weak because you have a feminine side... how wrong they are). With all these things I think I am a great fit for the CAF. However, I know military life can be much different then civilian life. My question is during basic I know I will be around males the entire time and be treated as such, but how ': masculine''  is this environment? For example how low does your hair have to go? Ect. Thanks for any advice and insight you may have . Also to those here who don't like the Transgender/Non-Binery life please don't bother writing me a post of how I am x,y and z. I don't care what you think.

 

[mariomike]

Also to those here who don't like the Transgender/Non-Binery life please don't bother writing me a post of how I am x,y and z.

Is this a discussion you may find of interest?

Transgender in the CF (merged)
http://army.ca/forums/threads/79867.325
14 pages.

 

[Ash1994]

Thanks! I saw that however, I'm not too sure it's the exact same. My question is more on the line of how feminine can I still be plus how short does my hair need to be?

 

[mariomike]

Thanks! I saw that however, I'm not too sure it's the exact same.

You are welcome. I'm not too sure of anything anymore. 

For example how low does your hair have to go?

My question is more on the line of how feminine can I still be plus how short does my hair need to be?

"...my ID says male..."

There's a lot of female and male hair discussions on here. 

eg: Is it time for gendered hair standards to go?
http://army.ca/forums/threads/108861.100.html
5 pages.

And many  more! 
https://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Aarmy.ca+hair&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=A5pIV72CFImN8QeB9KyYDw&gws_rd=ssl

 

[Ash1994]

Cool! Thanks for the links

 

[mariomike]

I am also far from a coward (kinda thing you pick up when others think you are weak because you have a feminine side... how wrong they are).

He joined the US Marine Corps in 1943 World War II and was, by all accounts, an exemplary soldier, wounded in ferocious combat in the Pacific theater in WW II. Conversely, he claimed to have been wearing a bra and panties under his uniform during a military landing.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000248/bio

Cool! Thanks for the links

You are welcome. Good luck! 

 

[Jarnhamar]

bright clothing, long hair,make up enthusiast

Soldiers on leave wear all kinds of flamboyantly bright clothes. French soldiers while doing PT.
Soldiers will often try and keep their hair as long as possible, like surfer dudes. it makes them feel empowered to push the envelope.
You'll be happy to know you'll get to apply liberal doses of green brown and black makeup during times of training.

My question is during basic I know I will be around males the entire time and be treated as such, but how ': masculine''  is this environment? For example how low does your hair have to go?

I'm pretty sure you can make an educated guess. You'll be around a bunch of horny 18 year old guys who'll think they need to prove themselves by talking tougher than the next guy. Pictures of dicks, fake sex stories and claims about taking on ISIS by themselves.  If you're feminine you're going to stand out and probably be a target by some of them the same you would in any male dominated environment. You can ignore it, use karate on them or snap your fingers and have Op Honour storm troopers descend on them.

Also to those here who don't like the Transgender/Non-Binery life please don't bother writing me a post of how I am x,y and z. I don't care what you think.

Z-Snap!

Also you've stated you're feminine but I thought Non-binary meant you identify as neither masculine or feminine‍. Kinda confusing.

 

[mariomike]

For reference,

Nonbinary gender
http://nonbinary.org/wiki/Main_Page

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Thanks! I saw that however, I'm not too sure it's the exact same. My question is more on the line of how feminine can I still be plus how short does my hair need to be?

I was born a male, my ID says male

No makeup on duty, haircut standard as per males in the CF Dress Instructions.

During BMQ, you can expect the same haircut as all male recruit.  Think #1 on the sides and back, not much more on top. 

I aced my aptitude and got options well above what I applied for as well. I am also far from a coward (kinda thing you pick up when others think you are weak because you have a feminine side... how wrong they are). With all these things I think I am a great fit for the CAF.

That determination will be more appropriately made by your staff on BMQ if you get there.

Also to those here who don't like the Transgender/Non-Binery life please don't bother writing me a post of how I am x,y and z. I don't care what you think.

Saying things like that is going to work negatively against you.  People might take it as an indication of the I'm A Special Snowflake syndrome rampant in todays generation.  It's readily accepted in todays society it seems, but not so much in the military.  Especially BMQ.  That's where you get to prove you've got what it takes, or not.  Words and CFAT scores don't usually means SFA, what counts is where the rubber meats the road;  how much of a team player you REALLY are when the SHTF, when you are tired and cold and hungry.

That kind of stuff.  THAT will only present itself when you are tired, cold and hungry and someone is screaming at you to ruck up/dig in/etc.

 

[dapaterson]

Perhaps I'd take you more seriously if you knew how to spell.

The word is BINARY - "relating to, composed of, or involving two things "

 

[Eye In The Sky]

You'll be happy to know you'll get to apply liberal doses of green brown and black makeup during times of training.

:rofl:

 

[Ash1994]

Thanks for the stories and advice . I'm not afraid of standing out as opposed to being forced to be more masculine due to rules of the basic training ( hair length, policy of foundation, ect). It will be annoying to listen to these men brag about there toughness as I can hunch some will just be puffing their chest, the sexual talk as I am far from a sexual person and such but I have tackled worse then that haha. Non binery is usually someone who identifys as neither, tho how I have understood it could be someone who also identifys as both. I am kinda neither, I consider myself more of  a woman then a man, yet have (kinda reluctantly) just kinda accepted the male body I have. That is why I say I am NB . I am also too rather new to the trans identity spectrum which includes NB people

 

[Ash1994]

Dapaterson read between the lines. Either be helpful or don't waste my time making me read a critique

 

[dapaterson]

Dapaterson read between the lines. Either be helpful or don't waste my time making me read a critique

If you don't like being critiqued for failing to pay attention to important details, I'd suggest the CAF may not be a good fit for you.

 

[Jarnhamar]

What trade are you applying to Ash1994?

 

[Ash1994]

You mean like how dapaterson should actually be spelt Dapaterson or DaPaterson?? As I said quit wasting my time. And I m applying for meteorologist

 

[hugh19]

With an attitude like that, you may want to reconsider your career choice. You will be critiqued constantly throughout a military career. If you can't handle it, please reconsider.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

And I m applying for meteorologist

Impossible.  There are no meteorologists in the CAF.

 

[Lumber]

Dapaterson read between the lines. Either be helpful or don't waste my time making me read a critique

If you don't like being critique on attention to detail, such as with spelling and grammar, then you are going to have a real tough time on BMQ, and you certainly joined the wrong forum site. The mods and community both don't allow anyone to get away with poor spelling and grammar. Attitude aside, for such a sensitive subject about which its community wishes others to take more seriously, I am legitimately surprised that you spelled "binary" wrong in the first place, spelt it wrong even after having it pointed out, and then rebuffed someone who corrected you. You will be corrected A LOT in the CAF, get ready for it.

That all aside, in answer to your initial post, the CAF most definitely leans toward the binary concept of the masculine gender, and it's even worse on basic trg, for all the reasons that Jarnhamar listed above. However, we've come  a long way in just a few short years, and harassment and discrimination are just not tolerated any more. You might have a few bad apples who legitimately don't like that a "male" is acting is acting/dressing against what their preconceived notion of how a man should dress and behave, but for the most part, if you show yourself to be a team player who trys hard and cares about your fellow course mates, then most of the people should respect you and treat you as such.

 

[hugh19]

Yes but we have Meteorologist technicians