Naval Dress Questions

[Nuggs]

Appologies, I've been up in the NCR for a bit now at a primarily Army unit and am a little out of touch with dress changes.

Couple of questions:

1. Boarding party crests. Are they not still supposed to be removed when no longer part of a team?

2. Belts and NCDs. For years when I was at sea everyone either wore a CF issue belt or a black leather belt. Now apparently there is a black web belt with black buckle. Apparently it's not available via my local supply. Is this the only approved belt now? Or are the brass on brass, old leather belts, and the belts with unit / branch insignia still allowed.

References appreciated.

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[mariomike]

References appreciated.

This may, or may not, help,

Guide to Naval Orders of Dress 
https://army.ca/forums/threads/93984.0

 

[jollyjacktar]

I'm wearing a leather belt on a daily basis.  No one has questioned it.  Can't speak to added crests and doo dads as I just run with my name tag only.  Won't wear the SSI.

 

[Lumber]

Responses in yellow:

Appologies, I've been up in the NCR for a bit now at a primarily Army unit and am a little out of touch with dress changes.

Couple of questions:

1. Boarding party crests. Are they not still supposed to be removed when no longer part of a team?
Supposed to be removed, but you still see a former NBP member walking around thinking he's a diver...
The way I figure it out is, only "Specialist" badges are worn, and the NBP badge is not found anywhere in the specialist badge section of the dress regs (it's actually not mentioned at all in the dress regs). So, it's worn when you're posted to a ship AND a member of the team, but once you leave that very specific environment, it's not longer authorized dress.

2. Belts and NCDs. For years when I was at sea everyone either wore a CF issue belt or a black leather belt. Now apparently there is a black web belt with black buckle. Apparently it's not available via my local supply. Is this the only approved belt now? Or are the brass on brass, old leather belts, and the belts with unit / branch insignia still allowed.

IAW the dress regs, Figure 5D-1 (No. 5 Operational Dress: Naval Combat Dress), Notes #2:
"2. Belt, leather black, or web black shall be worn."



References appreciated.

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[NavalMoose]

I'm wearing a leather belt on a daily basis.  No one has questioned it.  Can't speak to added crests and doo dads as I just run with my name tag only.  Won't wear the SSI.

Does it not mean you are out of the rig of the day if you don't wear your SSI?  Just curious.

 

[jollyjacktar]

I wear the bloody thing in salt and pepper.  I had heard that the cloth badge we just removed from the CF tunic can be put onto the NCD jacket.  If so, I'm not going there, just my name tape.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Yeah, that was a recent change with the tunic, which was ironically just after I finally got mine sewn on (was using a safety pin for a while that worked because the crest is pretty stiff).

If you draw the new NCDs there is a bunch of flair as well; I left the fleet in Jan but there were about 3 generations of jackets floating around, so it was funny to see the older ones with the basic ships crest and name tape next to a brand new one with ships crest, name tape, huge naval jack, canada flag, random 'operation crests' (most for short exercises), the SSI and whatever other qualifications someone has, it looks like some kind of Mr. Potato head version where the kids stick on patches everywhere.

 

[jollyjacktar]

They could always come out with a Boy Scout sash for all the added badges and shit.  :nod:

 

[Navy_Pete]

Or a vest!  Glad this guy found work in the naval dress committee after this movie was done.  ;D ;

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Or, since it is an "operational" dress, perhaps more of a Klingon sash?

 

[FSTO]

BADGES! We need more stinking BADGES!

 

[Sailorwest]

its fun working at Chotchkies. I have benignly delayed getting a new NCD jacket and still have one with a bluish patina because it still fits

 

[jollyjacktar]

Damn it OGBD, I can only give you points once a day.  Another good post. 

Then join the fricken CG if you want overtime. (My apologies)

The OT or lack thereof isn't a dissatifier , I have my new trade and direction we're going to pick my ass.  Thank you very much.


I for one enjoy the parades either when I was a platoon cdr or now when I get the the chance to be the parade cdr. For the general public to see a well turned out UNIFORM parade (not these gawd awful coat of many colours parades) shows us to be a professional force that deserves the honour, responsibility and capability to expend the country's treasure in the defence of the realm. The general public has very few opportunities to see us at sea, in the field or in the air. But when we are on parade in the public eye I'd rather we look sharp, professional and uniform than bags of shyte. Because if we look like bags of shyte or just hide from the public, the razor thin support that we do have will evaporate pretty quick!

Now I know that most here don't believe in Buttons and Bows but there is a place for it because we are not the F'n Coast Guard we are the CAF and we should look the part at all times.

As I said before, those of us who have to put on these parades to cheer you up don't necessarily get the same thrill you get at the head of the line.  Sorry.  I could riposte that you could switch to the GGFG if you want so badly to put on public drill displays.

 

[Navy_Pete]

I don't mind the bling so much on the tunics; it's the junk on the NCDs that needs to go.  It's a work jacket that is also supposed to be fire retardant, so how about we stop covering it with flammable velcro patches and bunch of badges, most of which are irrelevant to the function of the jacket.  The huge white naval jack is probably the most impractical part; we hammer the juniour sailors to always bring their jacket everywhere (as a protective second layer in case you do run across a fire) then we slap a huge white flag on the shoulder that they will get ripped apart for if it gets dirty, which it will tend to do if you carry it around the ship with you as directed.

 

[PuckChaser]

How will people know that you're RCN if you don't have 15 things and a giant white ensign that say RCN?

 

[Stoker]

I was at a town hall on Fri with the Kraken and he said the new trial NCD's are being shipped and the trial will only be for 4 weeks. So another new order of dress is coming it seems.

 

[Nuggs]

Those the new ninja black pajamas?

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[FSTO]

I don't mind the bling so much on the tunics; it's the junk on the NCDs that needs to go.  It's a work jacket that is also supposed to be fire retardant, so how about we stop covering it with flammable velcro patches and bunch of badges, most of which are irrelevant to the function of the jacket.  The huge white naval jack is probably the most impractical part; we hammer the juniour sailors to always bring their jacket everywhere (as a protective second layer in case you do run across a fire) then we slap a huge white flag on the shoulder that they will get ripped apart for if it gets dirty, which it will tend to do if you carry it around the ship with you as directed.

Well if they quit trying to make it into a walking out dress and keep it as shipboard only clothing we wouldn't have to put so many pieces of flare on it to ID us as RCN.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I've never understood walking out dress.  The army and air force go home in their operational dress.

 

[Stoker]

I don't mind the bling so much on the tunics; it's the junk on the NCDs that needs to go.  It's a work jacket that is also supposed to be fire retardant, so how about we stop covering it with flammable velcro patches and bunch of badges, most of which are irrelevant to the function of the jacket.  The huge white naval jack is probably the most impractical part; we hammer the juniour sailors to always bring their jacket everywhere (as a protective second layer in case you do run across a fire) then we slap a huge white flag on the shoulder that they will get ripped apart for if it gets dirty, which it will tend to do if you carry it around the ship with you as directed.

When the dress committee came out with all the new bling I really thought they were joking. Not all the bling is actually authorized officially or supported through clothing stores.