Danjanou said:I vaguely remember some mess dinners I've attended where that would have probably fit in. 8)
Regarding the hair, I attend pretty much every mess dinner on the wing I'm at being a musician with the wing band. (I'm not a 871 trade musician) There are a lot of civilian women at various units so I've seen many women in civilian dresses (or sometimes pants) Some were pregnant and some weren't. In any case, many wore their hair down. I'm sure I saw a few with hair up in some form or another but I rarely have seen buns being worn. I'm pretty sure if you are not in uniform that night the hair regulations will not be an issue.
Sparkplugs said:The selection of maternity dresses, are very very slim in this area.
Does it have to be floor length, or is a little longer than knee length still appropriate?
N. McKay said:Jeez, that's no good, is it? I'd think you'd want just the opposite...!
I'm not an expert in womens' clothing, but I do attend black-tie events on civvie street from time to time. It's completely normal to see women wearing dresses as you describe; floor-length gowns are sometimes seen but are not universal by any means. I would hope that nobody expects a service member (or anyone else) to buy a formal gown in a maternity pattern. Something tells me it would get about as much use as a prom dress.
Dress Instruction said:5. Standard Options. The following are standard options for the universal pattern army mess dress (Figures 5B1-3 and 5B1-4). Members of branches/regiments with no authorized differences
from the universal pattern shall wear that pattern and these options:
a. Jacket. The environmental facing colour of midnight blue on collar, shoulder-straps and cuffs. Infantry cuffs. Gold officers’ cuff embellishment. For males, plain jacket front without buttons or button-holes. For females, plain jacket front with single link buttons.
b. Waistcoat/Cummerbund. Midnight blue waistcoat, with four button-holes, for senior officers and above only. During the summer dress period, only a cummerbund is worn.
c. Trousers/Overalls/Skirt. Highcut trousers; overalls optional. Scarlet trouser/overall/skirt
stripe, 4.5 cm (1-3/4 in.) wide along trouser seam and around (half on each side) skirt vent.
d. Footwear. With trousers/overalls, black socks; black shoes or wellington boots;
wellingtons with overalls; no spurs. With women’s skirt, beige or black plain-pattern nylons; black leather/patent leather pumps.
10. Artillery Branch. Waistcoat for all ranks. White jacket (No. 2A) optional for officers and CWOs
only. Trouser/skirt stripe 4 cm (1-1/2 in.). Overalls optional, with optional spurs.
RCA Standing Orders said:2. Artillery Pattern Mess Dress. This Mess Dress (No 2) was authorized in FMC 5250-2 (Comd) 23 October 1986. It is based on the Universal Army pattern which consists of a scarlet jacket with shawl collar, midnight blue trousers and midnight blue waistcoat. Regimental detail is based on facings, collars and cuffs in midnight blue and a broad scarlet stripe on the trousers. Detailed specifications are available from Regimental Headquarters. The Male Mess Dress is illustrated at Figure 16. The Female Mess Dress (with skirt) is at Figure 17. Unless otherwise stated Male and Female orders are the same. Artillery Pattern Mess Dress is as follows:
(a) Officers/CWO’s - scarlet doeskin; and
(b) NCM’s - scarlet barathea or doeskin.
(2) Design. Buttonless, simple breasted body with shawl lapels and surgeon cuffs;
(3) The colour for lapels, shoulder boards/epaulettes and cuffs is midnight blue (doeskin or barathea to match the material use in the jacket body);
(4) Senior Officers wear crowsfoot sleeve embellishment, Junior Officers and NCM’s do not wear cuff embellishments;
(5) Artillery buttons (26 ligne) are used on the epaulettes only;
(6) Badges, accoutrements and CF rank insignia of gold wire pattern are worn. NCM’s shall wear gold wire insignia with midnight blue backing. Officers shall use single braid available from the supply system. Gold wire grenade collar badges and scarlet backed hazardous skill badges are worn; and
(7) Miniature medals/decorations are worn.
b. Waistcoat is of midnight blue barathea and uses four 20 ligne RCA buttons. During periods of summer dress the Male/Female Artillery cummerbund will be worn instead of the waist coat;
c. Trousers / Skirts
(1) Trousers, overalls, and skirts are of midnight blue barathea. Overalls have a high english back;
(2) The trouser/skirt stripe is 1.5" scarlet barathea. The skirt stripe equally divided along skirt vent; and
(3) Trousers are optional for females.
d. Shirt / blouse
(1) Males. Pleated front, turn down collar and French cuffs;
(2) Females. Blouse white long sleeved with gold buttoned front closure and high collar;
(3) Studs shall be regimental pattern (RCA/RCHA); and
(4) Cufflinks shall be regimental pattern (RCA/RCHA).
e. Bow Tie (Male only) is black, 4.75" in length by 1.5" at the squared ends;
f. Cummerbund – worn during summer dress period. Regimental design is the Red zig-zag on Dark Blue. It is worn positioned to over the waistband of the pants with the closure at the back. The open side of the folds are worn facing upwards.
(1) Females. Smaller size (46cm x 9.5cm). and
(2) Males. Larger size (52.5cm x 14cm);
(1) Males. Black socks, and black shoes if wearing trousers. Wellington boots if wearing overalls; and
(2) Females. Plain beige or black nylon stockings and black leather or patent leather pumps with skirt. With optional trousers, same as Male.
h. Spurs. Stainless steel gooseneck spurs are worn with overalls. Spurs are not worn on board HM ships, while dancing, or with straight trousers; and
i. Additional items.
(1) Head dress will be worn (outdoors); and
(2) The service dress raincoat or greatcoat is worn as an outer garment and white gloves as required.
j. White Summer Mess Dress (No 2A). It may be worn as optional summer dress by officers and CWO’s only (see Figure 18).
(1) The jacket is identical in design to the No2 scarlet jacket, Artillery pattern mess dress. The shoulder straps (with 26 ligne Artillery buttons) are white. There are no Facing colours on lapels or cuffs;
(2) An Artillery Male or Female pattern cummerbund will be worn, and the waistcoat shall not be worn with this order of dress;
(3) Miniature medals/decorations are worn, white gloves are not;
(4) Badges, accoutrements and CF rank insignia of gold wire pattern are worn. CWO’s shall wear gold wire insignia with midnight blue backing. Officers shall use single braid available from the supply system.
(5) Gold coloured metal grenade collar badges and miniature (if available) metal hazardous skill badges are worn; and
(6) There are no other changes from No2 Artillery Pattern Mess Dress.
3. The supply cataloguing information for Artillery mess dress cloth is:
Scarlet 8305-21-876-0623 Cloth Tropical, Wool/Polyester 203 g/sq m Scarlet (SP No DCGEM 255-77) Plain Weave. Note that this will, in due course, be replaced by a scarlet superfine english doeskin (650 g/sq m) for officers and either doeskin or a scarlet barathea cloth for NCOs mess dress.
4. No 2B (Mess Service). This is an optional mess dress uniform for wear in preference to No 3 order of service dress on occasions when mess dress would be considered appropriate. This uniform consists of the service dress tunic and trousers with a plain white shirt and black bow tie. Details are available in CFP 265. The following personnel may wear it:
a. Newly commissioned Regular or Reserve Officers during the six months accorded them to obtain mess dress;
b. Officer Cadets; and
c. Non-commissioned members of both Regular and Reserve Forces.
redseer said:Also, is it common to wear headdress with mess kit if outdoors? RCA SO states yes...
jpjohnsn said:Or, to put it another way, is the RCAF adopting pre-unification RCAF style of stripes above the General's stripe to identify rank?