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I know that a guy I swore in with was going to St Jean for BOTC on Jan 13th.  I though we all started at the same time but there you go.  It was coonfirmed and all right before my eyes.  In fact I was the anomaly by going out on the 6th.
 

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0087 and 0088 start this time around, 0089 and presumably 0090 (not sure about 0090) start a week later... I had a few people from my group starting a week later than me..
 

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Magravan said:
0087 and 0088 start this time around, 0089 and presumably 0090 (not sure about 0090) start a week later... I had a few people from my group starting a week later than me..

By staggering start dates it lessens the facilities requirements. One group will need the range one week, followed by the next group the next week as oppose to both groups needing the range the same week which would mean a bigger range. But the all training needs to be done by the end of April so that the RMC and ROTP folks can come in, they have a very tight window when they can do their training as oppose to DEO folks. (This is all conjuncture) I think BMQ staggers the dates year round because they don't have windows needed for them.
 

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But the all training needs to be done by the end of April so that the RMC and ROTP folks can come in, they have a very tight window when they can do their training as oppose to DEO folks.

Since the next course is going to be in the spring/summer, I wonder if DEO candidates get mixed with RMC and ROTP people. I'm assuming yes since the training is all the same.
 

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There will be ample room for all OCdts in the summer months in Gagetown.  There will be thousands of you.  Don't worry.
 

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George Wallace said:
There will be ample room for all OCdts in the summer months in Gagetown.  There will be thousands of you.  Don't worry.

George, are you referring ti IAP/BOTP or CAP/Phase III-IV?

*Some* DEOs are usually used to *round out* the platoon sizes for ROTP IAP/BOTP groups...  I even had a reservist or two on my course.  But it was primarily ROTP.



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All of the above.  For CAP, you will probably see nine or so platoons being run simultaneously.  All Phases, Reg and Res, are running at the Four Schools in Gagetown during the summer months.   
 

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Does anyone have the Course Title, Course Number and Platoon number for the 0087 course? (I'm not sure which 0087, but I presume Course Number)

I am trying to give out my mailing address for people to send letters, but I don't have the piece of paper that has this information...
 

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It will probably be somewhere along the lines of Initial Assessment Period I0087E. That, and the actual mailing address, your name rank and service number should be adequate.
 

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Well, I hope you're all packed and ready to go; I sure am...mostly.  >:D

See you guys there.
 

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Hello All,

Just enrolled on Oct 30, 5 days shy of 2 years after first submitting my application. I am quite excited. But, also quite confused.

The paperwork I signed at enrollment clearly stated that I was enrolled as DEO at a Rank of 2Lt. However, thus far, in all the emails I've received, I've been referred to as Private Recruit or Officer Cadet by Sergeants and Master Corporals. I did ask for clarification, and the response was "all untrained officers are OCdt". So, what do I get paid as, and what will my uniform say? I'm not sure if this is a big deal or not (i.e., does this affect anything other than the salute), and if it is, how do I correct my Section Commander or higher without sounding like, for lack of a better word, prick.

Would love some advice.
 

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TheAeronaut said:
Hello All,

Just enrolled on Oct 30, 5 days shy of 2 years after first submitting my application. I am quite excited. But, also quite confused.

The paperwork I signed at enrollment clearly stated that I was enrolled as DEO at a Rank of 2Lt. However, thus far, in all the emails I've received, I've been referred to as Private Recruit or Officer Cadet by Sergeants and Master Corporals. I did ask for clarification, and the response was "all untrained officers are OCdt". So, what do I get paid as, and what will my uniform say? I'm not sure if this is a big deal or not (i.e., does this affect anything other than the salute), and if it is, how do I correct my Section Commander or higher without sounding like, for lack of a better word, prick.

Would love some advice.

Assuming that you are a General Service Officer (not a specialist), you will be enrolled as a DEO in the rank of Officer Cadet in accordance with CFAO 11-6. You will be promoted to Second Lieutenant upon completion of your Basic Officer Qualification. I believe that your pay is the same (its the same table in the CBIs).

I am going to assume that you have no prior military experience. On your basic officer course you must be aware that you are like John Snow in that you know nothing. Your Section Commander will be a seasoned non-commissioned member with plenty of leadership training and experience. He or she will address you as your rank on your uniform requires. Never forget that you are the candidate and they are the instructor. Trust that they understand the regulations. You are not in charge. As an Officer Cadet you have no command authority. Even as a Second Lieutenant later on in your element/branch training you will be a candidate. If you are in the Army your initial courses will be primarily instructed by Sergeants and Warrant Officers. Please do not presume to think that you are superior to them.


Warm regards,

T2B

 

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TheAeronaut said:
Hello All,

Just enrolled on Oct 30, 5 days shy of 2 years after first submitting my application. I am quite excited. But, also quite confused.

The paperwork I signed at enrollment clearly stated that I was enrolled as DEO at a Rank of 2Lt. However, thus far, in all the emails I've received, I've been referred to as Private Recruit or Officer Cadet by Sergeants and Master Corporals. I did ask for clarification, and the response was "all untrained officers are OCdt". So, what do I get paid as, and what will my uniform say? I'm not sure if this is a big deal or not (i.e., does this affect anything other than the salute), and if it is, how do I correct my Section Commander or higher without sounding like, for lack of a better word, prick.

Would love some advice.

Re-read the contract; that is probably what pay scale you start at, not your rank. You will definitely be an Officer Cadet at the start (not a private recruit though; that was probably just a mistake).

DEOs will start on the 2Lt pay scale as you have already finished school, but you need to finish basic before you are commisioned and promoted to 2Lt. Anyway your contract should specify where on the table you start, so there will be a letter  and a pay incentive level (PI) to match the row/column on the pay rate table. Before you ask for the table, this is a good chance to start finding references for yourself and looking it up, and this is an easy one.

It's worth knowing what it is supposed to be, as St. Jean had a nice habit of starting all OCdts on the lowest pay scale then screwing around on fixing it, so you suddenly get a lump sum of backpay with no insight into how they calculated it to know if you were over/underpayed. Once you are at a normal unit with easy access to the pay office this isn't a big deal, but trying to sort this out on basic with requests for appointments can be a pain in the ass.
 

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Thank you for the information and clarification, Navy Pete and Tange 2 Bravo. So, from what I gather above, there is an "official" payscale designation in the paperwork, and an "actual" designation, which is OCdt since I'm untrained.

To clarify, I asked the question not out of some sense of superiority in rank (that would be silly of me as a fresh recruit), but rather a standard career progression and pay perspective. I absolutely do assume that I know nothing, hence why I asked here. Usually, these are the types of clarification questions I'd ask in person, in a more relaxed tone, but that's not possible due to COVID.

What I take away from this is, trust that whatever the instructors / leaders are doing is right / standard practice and carry on.
 

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TheAeronaut said:
Thank you for the information and clarification, Navy Pete and Tange 2 Bravo. So, from what I gather above, there is an "official" payscale designation in the paperwork, and an "actual" designation, which is OCdt since I'm untrained.

No, your rank at the start is officially Officer Cadet.

Your payscale will officially start at the 2Lt level, but that has zero bearing on your rank. Those are two separate things. It is a good opportunity though to start reading things, as it should be pretty clearly spelled out in the document what the context of the 2Lt starting pay is (and probably references the CBI).

At least you asked here though; you would have been really quickly disabused of that notion if you had asked your course staff to call you by the 2Lt rank. Your course staff won't always be right, but there are rules for all the admin stuff, so a bit of research on your own before asking questions is usually a good practice.
 

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Hello Theaeronaut,

congrats on enrollment, just curious which trade are you in, and which PI(pay incentive) you were assigned with 2lt pay scale, if you are ok to share, I am curious to see if the new recruits are assigned lowest PI to start with(for candiatea with no prior military experience).
thanks
 

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Mapletree001 said:
Hello Theaeronaut,

congrats on enrollment, just curious which trade are you in, and which PI(pay incentive) you were assigned with 2lt pay scale, if you are ok to share, I am curious to see if the new recruits are assigned lowest PI to start with(for candiatea with no prior military experience).
thanks

Your pay will be determined by your entry plan and whether you have prior service. The CBIs (Compensation and Benefits Instructions) detail this.
 

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Update: Received correction email from my Section Commander that I was indeed enrolled in as 2Lt, not OCdt. My paperwork just took a few days to make it to my Unit, hence the confusion.

I'm still very glad I asked here, and appreciate everyone's input above. Doesn't hurt to learn.

Sharing this for posterity, in case anyone else
 
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