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I think this now warrants a thread of it's own, the situation is quickly spiralling out of control.


London Riots: Live


Network Effects: Social Media's Role in the London Riots
In the wake of a controversial police shooting, Britain’s capital city has been rocked by two straight days of widespread rioting and looting. As with previous riots—such as those in Vancouver, B.C., following the Stanley Cup finals—everyone seems to be looking for a culprit, with some blaming Twitter and Facebook, and others pinning the violence on BlackBerry (RIMM) and its instant messaging abilities. But that’s a little like blaming individual trees for the forest fire. As we’ve pointed out before with respect to the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt, these are just aspects of our increasingly real-time, mobile, and connected lives, and they can be an incredibly powerful force for both good and bad.

Although they are completely different in important ways, there are also some interesting similarities between the riots in London this weekend and the uprisings in Egypt’s Tahrir Square. Both were triggered by the death of a man whom some believed was unfairly targeted by the authorities. In Britain, it was Mark Duggan—a 29-year-old father of four shot dead after being stopped by the police—and in Egypt, it was Khaled Said, a 28-year-old businessman who was pulled from an Internet cafe and beaten to death by security forces. Both deaths also led to the creation of Facebook pages that became the focus of a social media effort that ultimately fueled the protests...


UK police arrest over 200 as London riots continue
LONDON (AP) — Violence and looting spread to new areas of London on Monday — and to a second major British city — as police and politicians struggled to contain the disorder during a third day of rioting in the capital, which will host next summer's Olympic Games.

The worst unrest in London in decades saw buildings, cars and garbage dumbs set ablaze and police officers pelted with bottles and fireworks, as groups of young people and police clashed in neighborhoods across the capital.

In the nation's central city of Birmingham, dozens of people attacked stores in a main retail district — spreading the chaos beyond London for the first time since violence broke out on Saturday night.

As authorities struggled to keep pace with the unrest, Prime Minister David Cameron's office said he would cut short his summer vacation and convene a meeting of the government's crisis committee on Tuesday to lead the response to the escalating violence...


London riots: David Cameron cuts short holiday to return home
David Cameron was cutting short his holiday tonight to fly back to Britain following a third night of violence in the capital.

A Downing Street spokeswoman said the Prime Minister would be returning to London overnight.

Mr Cameron will chair the Government's emergency committee Cobra to discuss the London riots and will also meet Home Secretary Theresa May and Metropolitan Police Acting Commissioner Tim Godwin.

Mr Cameron was in the second week of his holiday in Tuscany, Italy, with his family. A Downing Street source said Mr Cameron was travelling on a UK military flight leaving Italy at 3am...
 

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Apparently, Tottenham Hotspurs FC also had their trophy case looted.  Police are now on the lookout for two glass doors and a shelf.
 

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Kat Stevens said:
Apparently, Tottenham Hotspurs FC also had their trophy case looted.  Police are now on the lookout for two glass doors and a shelf.
:rofl:

I'm sorry, but that was friggin' epic!
 

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In the wake of a controversial police shooting...

Early reports stated that a ganster was killed when police returned fire on a car he was a passenger in. Not exactly controversial.
 

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ModlrMike said:
Early reports stated that a ganster was killed when police returned fire on a car he was a passenger in. Not exactly controversial.
Indeed - from the timeline from BBC
.... Mark Duggan, 29, is shot dead by police at Ferry Lane, Tottenham.

The death occurs during an operation where specialist firearm officers and officers from Operation Trident, the unit which deals with gun crime in the African and Caribbean communities, are attempting to carry out an arrest.

Mr Duggan is a passenger in a minicab and is shot after an apparent exchange of fire. A police officer's radio is later found to have a bullet lodged in it ....
 

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Kat Stevens said:
Apparently, Tottenham Hotspurs FC also had their trophy case looted.  Police are now on the lookout for two glass doors and a shelf.

And, with that, Kat "Ponders End"
 

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We all know it was a racist plot by racist white cops to embarass the minorities.
Never mind that the folks they were trying to arrest are known gangsters...oh sorry they were "family men" right?



Only white males can be racist....right?
 

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Some 16,000 police officers will be on London's streets later in a bid to prevent a fourth night of rioting.

The government's emergency committee, Cobra, met in the wake of Monday's violence, which spread across London and prompted unrest in other cities.

PM David Cameron pledged to restore order, recalling Parliament on Thursday in response to the "sickening scenes".

The Met Police, which is drafting in support from 30 other forces, says it will consider using plastic bullets.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stephen Kavanagh said use of the ammunition - never before fired to deal with riots in England - would be "considered carefully".

But he added: "That does not mean we are scared of using any tactic."

Acting Commissioner Tim Godwin had earlier ruled out calling in the Army ....
Source:  BBC, 9 Aug 11

Jim Seggie said:
Never mind that the folks they were trying to arrest are known gangsters...oh sorry they were "family men" right?
Guess it depends who you read/believe....
"Mark Duggan: profile of Tottenham police shooting victim - Conflicting portraits of man whose death sparked Tottenham riot and London-wide looting"
"Mark Duggan: gangster, family man, or both?"
Not to mention the ever-popular-and-caveated Wikipedia
 

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I guess it was a matter of time before all the policies of the goverment came home to roost. Its a shame what Britain has become.
 

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This will make the (many) followers of Enoch Powell nod in quiet satisfaction.

We, predominantly Christian Westerners in general, but Europeans - especially Brits - in particular, have failed to offer immigrants - especially 'immigrants of colour' - a  model for integration in our society. They, the outsiders, have, in response, constructed their own model which is unstable and unsatisfactory in almost every way, except that it appeals to them.

I don't have an answer.


 

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I don't think anyone has an answer but I fear the future is going to be very awkward and violent.

The 1930s can happen again.
 

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Although the commisioner turned down the offer for the army to assist, maybe that is what is needed. Of course do not go out guns blazing, but with shields and batons in large number should crumble the riots as long as everyone keeps themselves in check and not over do it.
 

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Haletown said:
I don't think anyone has an answer but I fear the future is going to be very awkward and violent.

The 1930s can happen again.


Sadly, that's what I fear - and not just in Europe, either.
 

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Maybe this is the crux that's needed to start dealing with some of the issues regarding immigration and integration......it's been the 800 pound gorilla sitting there, and no politician wants to touch it, even with kid gloves....
 

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GAP said:
Maybe this is the crux that's needed to start dealing with some of the issues regarding immigration and integration......it's been the 800 pound gorilla sitting there, and no politician wants to touch it, even with kid gloves....

Agreed. It may be only a matter of time before an immigrant community in Canada does the same thing....and all it needs is a spark. That spark could be just about anything where the minority perceives that an injustice has been done to an individual or the community. With our policy of multiculturalism and tolerance for all (some things should not be tolerated...ever) it may be difficult for us to reverse the "hyphenated Canadian" syndrome.
I will say that despite my ethnic orgins being Scots, English and Irish.....I AM A CANADIAN.....period.  :salute: :cdn:  No hyphens needed.

We've been down this road before. Oka comes to mind albeit that it was a native North American tribe that blocked roads, bridges etc.
 

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I have friends, not just white, who live in Hackney, East London, where a  lot of the violence has happened over the last couple of days and nobody thinks this insanity is about any particular social issue at all. It's just a bunch of louts causing trouble and it's becoming a fad. Britain has always had gangs of thugs, back to the 18th century when the "Mohocks", a club of young well-healed 'gentlemen' terrorized London. There has always been a segment of society that sees the Law as "them".
 

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If that is the case, then deal with them severely, without remorse.....there's been enough provocation, there should now be a solution...
 

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Pencil Tech said:
I have friends, not just white, who live in Hackney, East London, where a  lot of the violence has happened over the last couple of days and nobody thinks this insanity is about any particular social issue at all. It's just a bunch of louts causing trouble and it's becoming a fad. Britain has always had gangs of thugs, back to the 18th century when the "Mohocks", a club of young well-healed 'gentlemen' terrorized London. There has always been a segment of society that sees the Law as "them".

While I agree to a point that "louts" are causing some of this trouble, do we hear any cries of denunciation from other minorities over the behavior of the rioters? If I have missed them someone please enlighten me.
Have the minority leaders denounced this? I haven't heard, so again I would be happy if someone enlightens me. If they have not denounced the rioters, their silence tells the "louts" that they have the tacit permission of the community.
 

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Jim Seggie said:
.... do we hear any cries of denunciation from other minorities over the behavior of the rioters? If I have missed them someone please enlighten me.  Have the minority leaders denounced this? I haven't heard, so again I would be happy if someone enlightens me. If they have not denounced the rioters, their silence tells the "louts" that they have the tacit permission of the community.
Well, we've heard from at least one for a start ....
Tottenham MP David Lammy says it is "important our community remains calm" after a man was shot dead during an operation by police .... Local MP David Lammy has responded, calling for calm.  He said: "I am shocked and deeply worried by this news. There is now a mood of anxiety in the local community but everyone must remain calm.  "It is encouraging that the Independent Police Complaints Commission has immediately taken over the investigation. There is a need to clarify the facts and to move quickly to allay fears.  "It is very important that our community remains calm and allows the investigation to take its course." ....
And if anyone knows it can be tough, but that there are ways to succeed, it sounds like someone like Lammy - from his official bio:
.... David was born in Tottenham on 19th July, 1972, one of five children raised by a single mother. At eleven years of age, David won a scholarship as a chorister to attend a state choral school at The Kings School in Peterborough. He came back to London in 1990 to study law at the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) Law School. Admitted to the Bar of England and Wales in 1994, David became the first Black Briton to study a Masters in Law at the Harvard Law School in 1997 ....
Anyone else?  Anyone?

Meanwhile, gotta wonder if the same folks who go wild at G-whatevers are helping pour gas on the fire....
 

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Well, we've heard from at least one for a start ....And if anyone knows it can be tough, but that there are ways to succeed, it sounds like someone like Lammy - from his official bio:Anyone else?  Anyone?

Meanwhile, gotta wonder if the same folks who go wild at G-whatevers are helping pour gas on the fire....

Thank you very much. He is one voice, but its speaking volumes. Other community leaders must speak up to denounce these thugs and louts. Just as importantly they must be seen to support law and order, and thereby support the police, the government and their efforts to control the situation.
 
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