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Liberal Minority Government 2021 - ????

Altair

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With the return of Parliament and no formal LPC-NDP agreement being made public, I suppose we shall see how long this government lasts.
 

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at least two years, perhaps as much as 3. It won't be a full term but the liberals will appear to govern as a majority. consultation will be bill by bill with the ndp and either paragraphs will be written in to appease them or amendments will be made as a result of "debate" in the house. The NDP have learnt from the past they will never be seen to be in bed with Trudeau
 

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at least two years, perhaps as much as 3. It won't be a full term but the liberals will appear to govern as a majority. consultation will be bill by bill with the ndp and either paragraphs will be written in to appease them or amendments will be made as a result of "debate" in the house. The NDP have learnt from the past they will never be seen to be in bed with Trudeau
Bang on, I think. The LPC stumbled from one very stable minority into another one- and they did themselves the favour of emptying the other parties' war chests, AND setting the CPC up for some serious internal dissent. Nobody relevant is going to opt to push for an election for a few years.
 

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at least two years, perhaps as much as 3. It won't be a full term but the liberals will appear to govern as a majority. consultation will be bill by bill with the ndp and either paragraphs will be written in to appease them or amendments will be made as a result of "debate" in the house. The NDP have learnt from the past they will never be seen to be in bed with Trudeau
Seem, no. Not in public.

I imagine a lot will be happening behind closed doors however.
 

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To hear the whining coming from bell and telus, it seems like a Huawei ban is imminent.
 
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Maybe they will be asking for more than the government is able to give.

Maybe not.
 

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So many cranks love to hate "big telecom" as well as "big oil", and a few other "bigs" on which there is so much human dependency.

The big telcos reinvest billions each year into upgrading Canadian infrastructure to keep up with the Joneses (latest tech). The service they provide is in exceptional demand whenever the sh!t hits the fan (ie. public welfare emergencies) and is just expected "to work". You will have noticed that it didn't all collapse when usage surged at the start of the COVID pandemic.

For those curious, OpenSignal measures user experience around the world. There are international reports, and Canada-specific reports. There is also no shortage of press releases from the companies announcing how much they plan to invest in the next few years, and those amounts can be compared to the gross revenues (which are public information). Some of the investment is coupled with public (government) investment to bring services to remote parts of Canada (there are a few). You can decide whether Canada gets value for money.

Thought experiment: if telcos have to eat a loss, from where do you think it will come? Compensation cuts? Share dividend cuts? Reinvestment of profits in the business? You can't actually punish a corporation, but you can punish employees, mutual funds and pension plans, and Canada as a whole.
 

Altair

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So many cranks love to hate "big telecom" as well as "big oil", and a few other "bigs" on which there is so much human dependency.

The big telcos reinvest billions each year into upgrading Canadian infrastructure to keep up with the Joneses (latest tech). The service they provide is in exceptional demand whenever the sh!t hits the fan (ie. public welfare emergencies) and is just expected "to work". You will have noticed that it didn't all collapse when usage surged at the start of the COVID pandemic.
This would be so much more impressive if you could point to what first world nation had their telecom sector collapse during covid.
For those curious, OpenSignal measures user experience around the world. There are international reports, and Canada-specific reports. There is also no shortage of press releases from the companies announcing how much they plan to invest in the next few years, and those amounts can be compared to the gross revenues (which are public information). Some of the investment is coupled with public (government) investment to bring services to remote parts of Canada (there are a few). You can decide whether Canada gets value for money.
Yet other countries have comparable or better cell coverage and telecom infrastructure.

Even Australia, with similar geographic challenges as Canada, have telecom providers offering 1/3 the prices as Canada and their telecom sector is no slouch either.

Thought experiment: if telcos have to eat a loss, from where do you think it will come? Compensation cuts? Share dividend cuts? Reinvestment of profits in the business? You can't actually punish a corporation, but you can punish employees, mutual funds and pension plans, and Canada as a whole.
I though you were against corporate welfare, or is that just Bombardier?

Screw the big three, Canadians don't need to subsidize robber barons.
 

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Corporate welfare (eg. subsidies) is a gift. Compensation for takings is not.

Basic plans are available for people with modest budgets. The cost of entertainment is higher. That hefty fraction of video being moved around isn't just conferences between doctors saving lives.

Based on what's happened in the past, I can guess that companies will try to maintain dividends, and employees will take it in the neck (particularly in companies with variable pay components based on measured targets). Next time you see a tech up a pole in the middle of winter, you can curl your lip and sneer at the robber baron.
 

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Corporate welfare (eg. subsidies) is a gift. Compensation for takings is not.
Potatoes potatoes
Basic plans are available for people with modest budgets. The cost of entertainment is higher. That hefty fraction of video being moved around isn't just conferences between doctors saving lives.
Get out of here with that nonsense. The budget plans in Canada are the cost what people getting with top of the line services in other countries. And any attempt to foster competition in this nation have the big three crying bloody murder. Because why allow competition when they can gouge Canadians with their oligarchic system?
Based on what's happened in the past, I can guess that companies will try to maintain dividends, and employees will take it in the neck (particularly in companies with variable pay components based on measured targets). Next time you see a tech up a pole in the middle of winter, you can curl your lip and sneer at the robber baron.
Yes, you are right. My mistake. Of course Robber Barons never hire employees to do the manual labour. How foolish of me.

A pox on all their houses. That tech on a pole can can work for any telcom that is allowed to compete with the big three or any of the entities that replaces them if they are broken up.
 

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If you want to know why your telecom rates are so high in Canada you need look no farther than the law of the land. The telecommunications and broadcasting sector's became intertwined circa 1990 and the highly protectionist (essentially anti-American) aspects of the Broadcasting Act, which are driven by Canadian nationalists' fear of Canada being overwhelmed by American culture, was added to the Telecom sector, too, in the mid 1990s.

The contrast with Australia is marked: there are, in each, three really big, national, carriers (Bell, Rogers and Telus, here, + Quebecor which gets extra-special "protection" out of your phone-bills ~ no matter who provides your service) but the Canadian carriers must all be Canadian owned. Australia also has a big three (Optus, Telstra and TPG). Telstra is the stepchild of the old government owned national telecom company ~ similar to BT Group in Britain, the successor to the old Post Office telecom carrier. The other two are majority-owned by Singtel (Singapore) inhale case of Optus and the Hutchison Group (Hong Kong and Caymans) controls TPG. Competition is alive and well in Australia; protectionism rules the roost in Canada. It is about 99.9% that simple.

The carriers love the law. It allows them to be fat, dumb and happy. We, Canadians, get good service ONLY because we must be part of an integrated, North American network and, in the USA, better service is driven by ruthless competition. (The US market is also highly protected but it is large enough to thrive despite elected legislators in Washington DC who are in the pay of the big US Telcos.)
 
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