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Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF

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BinRat55

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Chief Stoker said:
I guess the obvious is that medileaf has a vested interest in MM, i'm not saying that's the reason but it may be part of it. I would like to think the government will be impartial in any research it commissions. I have a question for you do you think the access or amount of MM will change when it becomes legal and becomes as regulated as alcohol?

I totally agree with you on the MedReleaf study - while I feel it's a good representation, it's transparency is limited only to MedReleaf's data. It obviously doesn't show impartiality... they fill my prescriptions! Yes, comparison studies by VAC, Health Canada and any other invested party. Freedom of choice, right?

As far as changes are concerned with the legalization of recreational marijuana and it's effect on us? I agree with Reece mostly, but I think you'll see more insurance carriers add MMJ to their coverage. You'll probably see dispensaries pop up everywhere like McDonalds too. I would like to think that "limits" will be done away with and each prescription, wether it be for viagra, MMJ or aspirin are treated by VAC case by case.
 

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BinRat55 said:
I totally agree with you on the MedReleaf study - while I feel it's a good representation, it's transparency is limited only to MedReleaf's data. It obviously doesn't show impartiality... they fill my prescriptions! Yes, comparison studies by VAC, Health Canada and any other invested party. Freedom of choice, right?

As far as changes are concerned with the legalization of recreational marijuana and it's effect on us? I agree with Reece mostly, but I think you'll see more insurance carriers add MMJ to their coverage. You'll probably see dispensaries pop up everywhere like McDonalds too. I would like to think that "limits" will be done away with and each prescription, wether it be for viagra, MMJ or aspirin are treated by VAC case by case.

As long as it gets the medicine to those who need it.
 

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How stupid is that?

When laws are made to pander to votes or lobby groups, they are usually made devoid of any rational thought or reasoning. Look at our gun laws.
 

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So, just a thought about the pending legalization of recreational use marijuana... if Health Canada will eventually assign it a DIN, can it (should it) still be used recreationally? Is there such a thing as recreational codeine or morphine use? Recreational Cialis??
 

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I think there are many people who use Cialis or Viagra recreationally, like on vacation and such.
Not saying it's right, but it happens.
 

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As opposed to using Cialis or Viagra professionally?  ;D
 

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With the government moving towards legalization of recreational weed this upcoming summer, will this affect how the CAF views recreational weed? Will it be treated the same way as alcohol currently is (basically don't show up to work intoxicated)(don't make an ass of yourself at the mess)? Or do you think it will continue to remain a banned substance for CAF members?
 

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There are no clairvoyants here, so your question is only asking for speculation.  Best to wait and see what new DAOD gets published.  Somebody is surely working on it.
 

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There are no clairvoyants here, so your question is only asking for speculation.  Best to wait and see what new DAOD gets published.  Somebody is surely working on it.

And, if you want the non-clairvoyant answers and all the speculations, read the last 5 pages.
 

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cmdj1982 said:
With the government moving towards legalization of recreational weed this upcoming summer, will this affect how the CAF views recreational weed? Will it be treated the same way as alcohol currently is (basically don't show up to work intoxicated)(don't make an *** of yourself at the mess)? Or do you think it will continue to remain a banned substance for CAF members?

I'm not sure you fully appreciate the CF's approach to alcohol. In addition to the colloquial "eight hours bottle to throttle", you can also be charged with drunkenness if you're too hung over to do your job. I would suggest the same perspective would remain for MJ.

Moving on. Ethanol has a known elimination curve of 5mmol per hour average, so eight hours would have you start at 40mmol; or about twice the legal limit (0.08mg/ml = 17.4mmol). The reality of course is that many folks don't actually stop drinking eight hours before needing to work, so it's easy to still be drunk in the morning, but somewhat functional.

We don't have the same fidelity of data for marijuana. We don't know what concentration of blood THC is required to induce impairment, although 50ng is being discussed as that threshold, but the dose to consumption ratio is hard to define. Some papers give an elimination half life for THC at 50 hours, some as much as seven days. In addition, it has been found that in the US 55% of marijuana impaired drivers also had elevated blood alcohol levels.  Both chemicals have CNS depressant effects which would likely manifest in a synergistic fashion. You can see where this combination would likely increase the time that a person remained intoxicated. I would predict that for CF members, where alcohol is a common thing, co-ingestion would also be common, and not likely an either-or situation. In addition, there are long term, irreversible neurocognitive effects (memory, attention, learning, language, perception, and social cognition) from moderate to heavy marijuana use.

The challenge is that on one hand you have the MJ lobby and on the other the prohibition folks; both of whom are firm in their positions. In the middle you have the science, which neither side seems willing to embrace, but which on the whole seems to indicate that MJ is not the benign, all healing, wonder drug its proponents make it out to be, and that it may in fact be quite the opposite. There is still much work to be done, as access to good quality clinical samples has always been an issue. Perhaps new data will emerge from those jurisdictions where access to MJ will not be a nearly insurmountable hurdle for researchers.

So, at the risk of guessing... which I am, I would predict that MJ will continue to be verboten for military folks, the legal status of the drug notwithstanding.


 

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The CAF dilemma is one they will have to struggle with. Whatever their plan, outside of treating it like alcohol, is whether their DAOD can survive a Charter challenge.
 

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The CAF is not seeking an exemption.  So they will have to accept usage and come up with rules and regulations just as for booze.
 

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Harris said:
The CAF is not seeking an exemption.  So they will have to accept usage and come up with rules and regulations just as for booze.
Agreed. Don’t show up for duty impaired.


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I came across this article about the Police in Honolulu ordering firearm owners who were prescribed MMJ to turn in their firearms.

https://www.leafly.com/news/politics/surrender-your-guns-police-tell-hawaiian-medical-marijuana-patients
The Honolulu Police Department has sent letters to local medical marijuana patients ordering them to “voluntarily surrender” their firearms because of their MMJ status.

["voluntarily" as in our Op Honour survey was volunteer I guess].

It made wonder what the US Military position is on MMJ. I couldn't find too much about it but they seem 100% against it as far as I can tell up to and including stating that when it comes to MMJ use there is no "off time" for service members. It seems like the CAF is more open minded to MMJ at least.
 

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Jarnhamar said:
I came across this article about the Police in Honolulu ordering firearm owners who were prescribed MMJ to turn in their firearms.

https://www.leafly.com/news/politics/surrender-your-guns-police-tell-hawaiian-medical-marijuana-patients
["voluntarily" as in our Op Honour survey was volunteer I guess].

It made wonder what the US Military position is on MMJ. I couldn't find too much about it but they seem 100% against it as far as I can tell up to and including stating that when it comes to MMJ use there is no "off time" for service members. It seems like the CAF is more open minded to MMJ at least.

I asked a senior member of the Royal Netherland Air Force recently what their marijuana policy is (pot is legal for consumption in the Netherlands).

Even though legal, consumption of pot is grounds for immediate release from the RNLAF. They consider it incompatible with military aviation.

Take that any way you want....
 

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I asked a senior member of the Royal Netherland Air Force recently what their marijuana policy is (pot is legal for consumption in the Netherlands).

Even though legal, consumption of pot is grounds for immediate release from the RNLAF. They consider it incompatible with military aviation.

Take that any way you want....

I suppose it's down to semantics.  Pot is still "illegal" in the Netherlands, however consumption is "tolerated".

https://www.government.nl/topics/drugs/toleration-policy-regarding-soft-drugs-and-coffee-shops
Toleration policy regarding soft drugs

The Netherlands has a policy of toleration regarding soft drugs. This means that the sale of soft drugs in coffee shops is a criminal offence but the Public Prosecution Service does not prosecute coffee shops for this offence.

Neither does the Public Prosecution Service prosecute members of the public for possession of small quantities of soft drugs. These quantities are defined as follows:
no more than 5 grams of cannabis (marijuana or hash);
no more than 5 cannabis plants.
 

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I suppose it's down to semantics.  Pot is still "illegal" in the Netherlands, however consumption is "tolerated".

https://www.government.nl/topics/drugs/toleration-policy-regarding-soft-drugs-and-coffee-shops

Fair enough.

The RNLAF still it views marijuana as incompatible with military aviation.
 
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