King Charles III

[dapaterson]

You mean the Ceremonial Guard? Agreed.

The CG is a task, not a unit.

 

[Cloud Cover]

The CG is a burden, not a task.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

The CG is a task, not a unit.

If we cobble together a Coy minus from 2 Res Inf Bns, call it a TBG, and it still counts as a "unit"... so does CG.

The CG is a burden, not a task.

Public Duties are a necessary burden, as diplomacy is part of national security and foreign policy.

If foreign Heads of State/Government are received with Ho Hum pomp and pageantry, sets the tone for the rest of the visit.

Less a burden, more making an impression.

I get the current obsession with "if its not operational, its worthless!" mentality in the Canadian Armed Forces... but I would hope someone in the headshed (ADM(Pol) maybe?) or at protocol at Rideau Hall keeps their head enough about this aspect of rolling out the red carpet.

 

[dapaterson]

A TBG is not a unit. Unit is a legal term, defined per the NDA.

Organization

17 (1) The Canadian Forces shall consist of those of the following elements that are from time to time organized by or under the authority of the Minister:

(a) commands, including the Royal Canadian Navy, the Canadian Army and the Royal Canadian Air Force;

(b) formations;

(c) units; and

(d) other elements.

Marginal note:Components

(2) A unit or other element organized under subsection (1), other than a command or a formation, shall from time to time be embodied in a component of the Canadian Forces as directed by or under the authority of the Minister.

 

[Edward Campbell]

If we cobble together a Coy minus from 2 Res Inf Bns, call it a TBG, and it still counts as a "unit"... so does CG.


Public Duties are a necessary burden, as diplomacy is part of national security and foreign policy.

If foreign Heads of State/Government are received with Ho Hum pomp and pageantry, sets the tone for the rest of the visit.

Less a burden, more making an impression.

I get the current obsession with "if its not operational, its worthless!" mentality in the Canadian Armed Forces... but I would hope someone in the headshed (ADM(Pol) maybe?) or at protocol at Rideau Hall keeps their head enough about this aspect of rolling out the red carpet.

How about 150± of these folks, based in Ottawa, for public duties and as an augmented force for e.g. demonstrations and diplomatic security? Oh, and a band, too.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

A TBG is not a unit. Unit is a legal term, defined per the NDA.

Ack. Thank you for the pedantic clarity.

How about 150± of these folks, based in Ottawa, for public duties and as an augmented force for e.g. demonstrations and diplomatic security? Oh, and a band, too.

If we are hurting that badly as an Armed Forces that we hand over Public Duties to a Gendarmerie (who would be even more expensive to pay, quarter, and cloth... not to mention the crues and howls we'd get from their Professional Association).... perhaps all is lost for us.

 

[dimsum]

How about 150± of these folks, based in Ottawa, for public duties and as an augmented force for e.g. demonstrations and diplomatic security? Oh, and a band, too.

Or…these folks.

Smaller military but they decided (rightly or wrongly) that 170 folks should be posted to a purely ceremonial unit.

 

[Rifleman62]

How about a CG with lots of blank files to represent the actual CF?

 

[RangerRay]

Or…these folks.

Smaller military but they decided (rightly or wrongly) that 170 folks should be posted to a purely ceremonial unit.

Is there supposed to be a link or pic here?

 

[dimsum]

Is there supposed to be a link or pic here?

Oops.

Australia's Federation Guard - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[OldSolduer]

How about a CG with lots of blank files to represent the actual CF?

I think Benny Hill should have been on the CG. THAT would have been funny.

 

[Remius]

The CG is a task, not a unit.

Well it used to be. It still has its own UIC. But CG is now a subunit of the GGFG. It no longer has a CO or RSM. Still has a reg force major as OC now and the CWO position is now an MWO position.

Public Duties is the task. But with a significant reduction in incremental numbers since the pandemic and reconstitution.

 

[dapaterson]

Well it used to be. It still has its own UIC. But CG is now a subunit of the GGFG. It no longer has a CO or RSM. Still has a reg force major as OC now and the CWO position is now an MWO position.

Public Duties is the task. But with a significant reduction in incremental numbers since the pandemic and reconstitution.

In the early 2000s CG was treated as a unit, but in fact was not one. There was no Ministerial Organizational Order creating it, and thus is was not a unit. On the legal org chart of the CAF, CG appeared as a sub unit of the GGFG.

There are provisions in the QR&O which enable a Commander of a Command to designate an individual as a CO, despite them not occupying a position designated as the CO of a unit. Thus the CG had a CO despite not being a unit.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Back on topic.

Canadian Parliament erupts into God Save The King after defeating a private member's bill that would make Oath of Allegiance optional