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Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

Canada says it will look at increasing its defence spending and tacked on 10 more Russian names to an ever growing sanctions list.

By Tonda MacCharles
Ottawa Bureau
Mon., March 7, 2022

Riga, LATVIA—On the 13th day of the brutal Russian bid to claim Ukraine as its own, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is showing up at the Latvian battle group led by Canadian soldiers, waving the Maple Leaf and a vague hint at more money for the military.

Canada has been waving the NATO flag for nearly seven years in Latvia as a bulwark against Russia’s further incursions in Eastern Europe.

Canada stepped up to lead one of NATO’s four battle groups in 2015 — part of the defensive alliance’s display of strength and solidarity with weaker member states after Russia invaded Ukraine and seized the Crimean peninsula in 2014. Trudeau arrived in the Latvian capital late Monday after meetings in the U.K. with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Netherlands Prime Minister Mark Rutte.

Earlier Monday, faced with a seemingly unstoppable war in Ukraine, Trudeau said he will look at increasing Canada’s defence spending. Given world events, he said there are “certainly reflections to have.”

And Canada tacked on 10 more Russian names to an ever-growing sanctions list.

The latest round of sanctions includes names Trudeau said were identified by jailed Russian opposition leader and Putin nemesis Alexei Navalny.

However, on a day when Trudeau cited the new sanctions, and Johnson touted new measures meant to expose Russian property owners in his country, Rutte admitted sanctions are not working.

Yet they all called for more concerted international efforts over the long haul, including more economic measures and more humanitarian aid, with Johnson and Rutte divided over how quickly countries need to get off Russian oil and gas.

The 10 latest names on Canada’s target list do not include Roman Abramovich — a Russian billionaire Navalny has been flagging to Canada since at least 2017. Canada appears to have sanctioned about 20 of the 35 names on Navalny’s list.

The Conservative opposition says the Liberal government is not yet exerting maximum pressure on Putin, and should do more to bolster Canadian Forces, including by finally approving the purchase of fighter jets.

Foreign affairs critic Michael Chong said in an interview that Ottawa must still sanction “additional oligarchs close to President Putin who have significant assets in Canada.”

Abramovich owns more than a quarter of the public shares in steelmaking giant Evraz, which has operations in Alberta and Saskatchewan and has supplied most of the steel for the government-owned Trans Mountain pipeline project.

Evraz’s board of directors also includes two more Russians the U.S. government identified as “oligarchs” in 2019 — Aleksandr Abramov and Aleksandr Frolov — and its Canadian operations have received significant support from the federal government.

That includes at least $27 million in emergency wage subsidies during the pandemic, as well as $7 million through a fund meant to help heavy-polluters reduce emissions that cause climate change, according to the company’s most recent annual report.

In addition to upping defence spending, the Conservatives want NORAD’s early warning system upgraded, naval shipbuilding ramped up and Arctic security bolstered.

In London, Johnson sat down with Trudeau and Rutte at the Northolt airbase. Their morning meetings had a rushed feel, with Johnson starting to usher press out before Trudeau spoke. His office said later that the British PM couldn’t squeeze the full meeting in at 10 Downing Street because Johnson’s “diary” was so busy that day. The three leaders held an afternoon news conference at 10 Downing.

But before that Trudeau met with the Queen, saying she was “insightful” and they had a “useful, for me anyway, conversation about global affairs.”

Trudeau meets with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg Tuesday in Latvia.

The prime minister will also meet with three Baltic leaders, the prime ministers of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, in the Latvian capital of Riga.

The Liberals announced they would increase the 500 Canadian Forces in Latvia by another 460 troops. The Canadians are leading a multinational battle group, one of four that are part of NATO’s deployments in the region.

Another 3,400 Canadians could be deployed to the region in the months to come, on standby for NATO orders.

But Canada’s shipments of lethal aid to Ukraine were slow to come in the view of the Conservatives, and the Ukrainian Canadian community.

And suddenly Western allies are eyeing each other’s defence commitments.

At the Downing Street news conference, Rutte noted the Netherlands will increase its defence budget to close to two per cent of GDP. Germany has led the G7, and doubled its defence budget in the face of Putin’s invasion and threats. Johnson said the U.K. defence spending is about 2.4 per cent and declined to comment on Canada’s defence spending which is 1.4 per cent of GDP.

But Johnson didn’t hold back.

“What we can’t do, post the invasion of Ukraine is assume that we go back to a kind of status quo ante, a kind of new normalization in the way that we did after the … seizure of Crimea and the Donbas area,” Johnson said. “We’ve got to recognize that things have changed and that we need a new focus on security and I think that that is kind of increasingly understood by everybody.”

Trudeau stood by his British and Dutch counterparts and pledged Canada would do more.

He defended his government’s record, saying Ottawa is gradually increasing spending over the next decade by 70 per cent. Then Trudeau admitted more might be necessary.

“We also recognize that context is changing rapidly around the world and we need to make sure that women and men have certainty and our forces have all the equipment necessary to be able to stand strongly as we always have. As members of NATO. We will continue to look at what more we can do.”

The three leaders — Johnson, a conservative and Trudeau and Rutte, progressive liberals — in a joint statement said they “will continue to impose severe costs on Russia.”

Arriving for the news conference from Windsor Castle, Trudeau had to detour to enter Downing Street as loud so-called Freedom Convoy protesters bellowed from outside the gate. They carried signs marked “Tuck Frudeau” and “Free Tamara” (Lich).

Protester Jeff Wyatt who said he has no Canadian ties told the Star he came to stand up for Lich and others who were leading a “peaceful protest” worldwide against government “lies” about COVID-19 and what he called Trudeau’s “tyranny.”

Elsewhere in London, outside the Russian embassy, other protesters and passersby reflected on what they said was real tyranny — the Russian attack on Ukraine. “I think we should be as tough as possible to get this stopped, as tough as possible,” said protester Clive Martinez.
 
It seems to me that the invasion of Ukraine has made Canadians increasingly aware of the importance of having a strong and capable military. Hopefully our politicians will stop dithering.
Proably won't. As a general rule Canadians don't much care about our modern military posture unless its going into retirement homes, fighting fires or aid after a flood. We're really self centered IMO.
 
Years ago I had some interactions with upset employers. They were very much pro-reservist and tried to support not only hiring reservists but giving them time off for training.
Problem was maturity and human nature. Troops were calling their work on a Wednesday or Thursday saying they needed the weekend off for training, or last minute tasks/summer training. They were rightly upset about their employees "being ordered to train last minute".

The US system works because reservists are ordered to deploy or attend training. From what I can tell it's known in advance. In Canada everything reservists do is voluntary.

If we're going to protect reservists with job protection then it's only fair we figure out how to make said training mandatory and not when they feel like it e.g. providing a yearly training schedule (because it's not always the troops fault but the units).
We do this dance every 3-4 years. Have been since WW1. Still no workable resolution.
 

I expect a budget increase for Defence. Between Anand, Joly and Freyland, the messaging is pretty clear.

For me I will believe it when its more than promised spending years down the road.

We need huge capital real investments and we need them now. Soul sourced major purchases of weapons systems need to happen. And we need drastic increased recruitment.

Honestly we are so far behind the 8 ball for people I am not sure how the system could deal with a massive influx of people without ending up with thousands on pat platoons for years again.
 
the messaging is pretty clear.

I'd say thats more soundbytes than messaging. This is messaging.

Trudeau delays billions in military spending while touring NATO
While Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was touring Europe expressing solidarity with Canada’s NATO partners last week, a new study by the Parliamentary Budget Officer said his government has postponed billions of dollars in capital spending to replace aging military equipment promised in 2017.

Yves Giroux said the Trudeau government has so far “underspent” $10 billion of the $164 billion it promised for 348 projects, including replacing outdated warships, jet fighters and military vehicles from 2017-18 to 2036-37.

It took Giroux four years to get the full list of the projects and more funding delays are expected during the 20-year project.
 
For me I will believe it when its more than promised spending years down the road.

We need huge capital real investments and we need them now. Soul sourced major purchases of weapons systems need to happen. And we need drastic increased recruitment.

Honestly we are so far behind the 8 ball for people I am not sure how the system could deal with a massive influx of people without ending up with thousands on pat platoons for years again.
You’d have to reconstitute and focus on that and pretty much just that. We are already seing things like Nijemengen and other nice to do things cancelled. Cancel a bunch of stuff. Focus on training. Post more people to schools and get it done. Decentralise training and run courses everywhere.
 
Honestly we are so far behind the 8 ball for people I am not sure how the system could deal with a massive influx of people without ending up with thousands on pat platoons for years again.
The honest truth is DND and the CAF has been so under-resourced for so long that I don't think Canadians truly grasp how much money is actually required to even be able to begin to compete with a Modern Peer-Force.

Take our Defence Budget now and increase it by 100% annually and you might, in a decade from now, turn it in to cream.

Most of the new money will go towards undoing the effects of a couple of decades of underfunding. Then there is Defence inflation, which is always greater than General inflation.

The department is FUBAR, no doubt about it. I'm just happy I won't be dealing with it anymore in a few months time 😉

PS:

If there was a sense that the Leopard had actually changed its spots, I would consider coming back but.....

It would cost the CAF mucho beaucoup dollars as I would expect a signing bonus 🤑
 
Agreed. Why not Leopards? We already use them, and the latest variants are arguably better that the latest Abrams.
Add a similar amount of M120/Soltam K6 120mm mortars and L9A1 51mm mortars. And more L16/M252 81mm mortars.

But, why Abrams and not the same number of Leopard 2s?
Simple , three reasons for this. One the American are literally next door the Germans you may have noticed are across an Ocean.
Two , the Americans have fairly large stocks of the vehicle and can spare a small number.
The Germans do not and are from all appearances are about to start a rather panicked rebuild of their own.
Three, we really have to rebuild our political capital with the Americans .
 
All things that were said and done before the world just went to shyte. I think they got a dose of reality in the last few weeks.

Negative, the world has been shyte for a long time, this is not new. Our people just buried their heads further into the sand and were happy being fed bread and circuses.

Canadians are complacent and lazy when it comes to world affairs, but want to be big boys on the stage. Guess what ? It doesn't work like that.

I really want to blame JT and his team for this; and while they are holding the reins right now this goes all the way back to the mid 60s. As much as I despise him we now need him and his team to fix this.

You’d have to reconstitute and focus on that and pretty much just that. We are already seing things like Nijemengen and other nice to do things cancelled. Cancel a bunch of stuff. Focus on training. Post more people to schools and get it done. Decentralise training and run courses everywhere.

Yup.
 
The honest truth is DND and the CAF has been so under-resourced for so long that I don't think Canadians truly grasp how much money is actually required to even be able to begin to compete with a Modern Peer-Force.

Take our Defence Budget now and increase it by 100% annually and you might, in a decade from now, turn it in to cream.

Most of the new money will go towards undoing the effects of a couple of decades of underfunding. Then there is Defence inflation, which is always greater than General inflation.

The department is FUBAR, no doubt about it. I'm just happy I won't be dealing with it anymore in a few months time 😉

PS:

If there was a sense that the Leopard had actually changed its spots, I would consider coming back but.....

It would cost the CAF mucho beaucoup dollars as I would expect a signing bonus 🤑

Its kind of like looking at a house that's really a complete demo and instead hoping we can just slap some new paint on it lol
 
Simple , three reasons for this. One the American are literally next door the Germans you may have noticed are across an Ocean.
Two , the Americans have fairly large stocks of the vehicle and can spare a small number.
The Germans do not and are from all appearances are about to start a rather panicked rebuild of their own.
Three, we really have to rebuild our political capital with the Americans .

The Abrams is a better tank in my opinion right now it also has a better and clearer upgrade future. Yes its a bit thirsty and super heavy so would likely be worse than useless in Ukraine right now. But the APU probably helps a little with that. Not sure on the need for 350 of them though
 
The honest truth is DND and the CAF has been so under-resourced for so long that I don't think Canadians truly grasp how much money is actually required to even be able to begin to compete with a Modern Peer-Force.

Take our Defence Budget now and increase it by 100% annually and you might, in a decade from now, turn it in to cream.

Most of the new money will go towards undoing the effects of a couple of decades of underfunding. Then there is Defence inflation, which is always greater than General inflation.

The department is FUBAR, no doubt about it. I'm just happy I won't be dealing with it anymore in a few months time 😉

PS:

If there was a sense that the Leopard had actually changed its spots, I would consider coming back but.....

It would cost the CAF mucho beaucoup dollars as I would expect a signing bonus 🤑

Its kind of like looking at a house that's really a complete demo and instead hoping we can just slap some new paint on it lol

There's no way out of this pickle without the political drive to do so. We do not have the procurement system to achieve any timely results. These things can easily be laid at the feet of the government in power. But it wasn't Harper or Trudeau that made CDS Vance double the number of GOFO's while simultaneously watching combat capability erode. What is the solution to that? Just doubling the defence budget I would want to take the bet that it would add any combat capability at all. I think there is a culture problem that extends way past sexual harassment issues
 
Its kind of like looking at a house that's really a complete demo and instead hoping we can just slap some new paint on it lol
Yep, not to mention our current kit is already bloody antiquated.

I liked the story about how the Army is using TOW missiles which the article points out "are outdated technolgy".

I hate to tell them but most of our kit is outdated technology and that's across the services: missiles, guns, fighters, tanks, ships, sensors, etc. A lot of it is last-gen tech.
 
Simple , three reasons for this. One the American are literally next door the Germans you may have noticed are across an Ocean.
Two , the Americans have fairly large stocks of the vehicle and can spare a small number.
The Germans do not and are from all appearances are about to start a rather panicked rebuild of their own.
Three, we really have to rebuild our political capital with the Americans .
Why does so much of our procurement end up in redirecting/highjacking/whining our way into, somebody else's equipment stock or order book (rhetorical question - we all know why).
 
We are already seing things like Nijemengen and other nice to do things cancelled.
That was a weird move. Nijemengen hardly seemed like it required a lot of horse power. And it was canceled well before things started getting hot in Ukraine.
Decentralise training and run courses everywhere.
Easier said than done. We're still seeing 10K or something members releasing per year. Members on MELs seem to be at an all time high. Still having leadership and accountability issues. We'll need a system where we can easily punt undesirables instead of letting them cling on for years.

All things that were said and done before the world just went to shyte. I think they got a dose of reality in the last few weeks.
A big enough dose to smash through funding for new warships, planes, helicopters? PY positions and facilities? It's taken us over 15 years (and counting) to get a new pistol. What you're suggesting is a complete 540 degree turn.

I see promises of new funding that's light on actual details with lengthily timelines to give the LPC room to put the money towards other projects when Ukraine dies down.

The LPC is taking advantage of the situation touring Europe getting tons of nice photos instead of putting in overtime hours at work figuring shit out.
 
There's no way out of this pickle without the political drive to do so. We do not have the procurement system to achieve any timely results. These things can easily be laid at the feet of the government in power. But it wasn't Harper or Trudeau that made CDS Vance double the number of GOFO's while simultaneously watching combat capability erode. What is the solution to that? Just doubling the defence budget I would want to take the bet that it would add any combat capability at all. I think there is a culture problem that extends way past sexual harassment issues
The situation is too complex and multi-faceted to even be able to explain adequately on here.

We would need to significantly beef up the Staff and HQs in our present system with actual worker bees, as opposed to our MO of more senior officers and bureaucrats, to even be able to begin to achieve anything.

We would also need to download/decentralize spending/approval authorities to lower levels of the organization to really see any results.

Essentially, improving our Military is going to require undoing the Bureaucratic Machine we've managed to build up around ourselves over the past few decades.
 
I've worked in our National HQs before. The culture that exists within our Higher HQs (L2 and Above) is the antithesis of dynamic, innovative, progressive.

I 100% guarantee that I could fire 80% of the people in some of our L2+ HQ and see no actual decrease in outputs.
 
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