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Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)

When some of our former prime ministers are believed to have coloured very close to the line, if not outside it, there is nothing under heaven that will ever compel me to believe my skeptical view of people with authority is misplaced.

Eventually this business with fanatics will be resolved, and I doubt the "extraordinary" laws will go away; the laws will have become too useful for dealing with inconvenient people.  And I labour under no illusion that any nation's government is exempt from becoming insane, or merely mildly deranged, and finding pretexts to deem people "inconvenient".
 
Interesting ... this Muslim scholar makes the case against Jihad/war by radicals:

http://www.israinternational.com/component/content/article/42-rokstories/318-muslim-scholars-recast-ibn-taymiyyahs-fatwa-on-jihad.html
 
The CBC is reporting on the two Canadians involved in the gas plant bombing in Algeria; the report is reproduced, without comment, under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from CBC News:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/04/01/f-algeria-canadians-militants-hostages.html
Canadians in Algerian gas plant attack identified
More Canadians may have been involved in attack

By Greg Weston, National Affairs Specialist
CBC News

Posted: Apr 1, 2013

CBC News has learned that two Canadians linked to al-Qaeda and killed while staging a bloody attack on an Algerian gas refinery earlier this year were former high school friends in their early 20s, one from a Greek Orthodox family, and both from a comfortable middle-class London, Ont., neighbourhood.

A special CBC News investigation has confirmed the two al-Qaeda linked militants are Xristos Katsiroubas and Ali Medlej, both believed to be under 24 years old.

The attack by the two Canadians and 30 other militants linked to al-Qaeda left more than three dozen refinery workers dead, the final 10 of whom were reportedly tied to gas plant piping and killed in a massive bomb blast.

Sources say it is likely Katsiroubas and Medlej intentionally blew themselves up in the blast; only one of them could be identified by DNA testing.

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Xris Katsiroubas, one of two Canadians killed while staging
an attack on an Algerian gas refinery earlier this year,
grew up in a home with a backyard swimming pool in a
middle-class London neighbourhood with rich ethnic
diversity. (CBC)


The Harper government at first denied there was any evidence Canadians had been involved in the attack, and the RCMP have continued to keep the identities of the pair a tight secret.

Now sources tell CBC News there may have been more than just the duo.

Sources say at least two more former London schoolmates of Katsiroubas and Medlej also travelled overseas with them.

But it is not yet clear whether the others are still alive, nor if they were involved in the Algerian gas plant attack.

Police sources say Katsiroubas is the likely attacker whom survivors have described as blond-haired and speaking fluent “North American English.”

Canada’s intelligence service is refusing to comment.

But CBC News has learned that as long ago as 2007, CSIS agents interviewed some family and friends of the two, who were were then teenagers.

A former London friend of the two men said one of their relatives called the police, complaining they were “hanging around with weirdos.”

He says a CSIS agent subsequently interviewed a number of their friends.

Not under surveillance

Intelligence sources say CSIS did not have the two men and their other friends under surveillance when they left Canada sometime last year on their ultimately bloody mission.

No one will ever know all the details of how and why two teenagers who seemed rather normal ended up committing such monstrous acts.

But the details that are emerging from former friends and associates suggest theirs is a story that is becoming frighteningly more common.

"Xris" Katsiroubas grew up in a home with a backyard swimming pool in a middle-class London neighbourhood with rich ethnic diversity.

He lived with his mother after his parents divorced, and by all accounts seemed normal.

One former friend recalls that in the early years, at least, “he was like all the other kids, very smart in school, quite active.”

Katsiroubas appears to have had an older brother, and at least three large families of cousins.

One relative is quoted in a 2007 news article saying he travelled all the way across London to shop at his favorite Greek pastry shop.

Little is known about Ali Medlej; he appears to have gone through most of his schooling without even a mention in most of his school yearbooks.

But sources tell CBC News that he and Katsiroubas remained friends throughout their high school years together at London South Secondary.

Medlej appears to have graduated in 2007, the same year Katsiroubas seems to have dropped out at the end of Grade 11.

A former friend says that at some point in those teenage years, Katsiroubas converted to Islam.

One former school acquaintance who ran into Katsiroubas in 2009 recalls “it was really hard to relate to him at that point. He wasn’t the same. He had other interests – kept saying let’s go to the mosque.

"It wasn’t that he wanted to take me there. It was that he wanted to go there and he thought a couple of hours spent with me (catching up) was probably a waste of time."

Shortly after they left high school, Medlej and Katsiroubas and another friend travelled out West, did some odd jobs, and finally returned to London within six months.

Medlej apparently got married sometime after 2009.

The next time most of their former school friends heard about Medlej and Katsiroubas again was about two months ago after the attack on the Algerian gas plant.

CSIS agents were back asking questions again.

The agents never mentioned the two were dead, much less that they had participated in one of the most heinous attacks in recent years.

Investigators say many of the innocent gas plant workers who died in the attack were burned alive.


 
Here, from the National Post are school yearbook photos of the two young men, both from London, ON, suspected to have died, intentionally, in the Algeria bombing:

suspects.jpg

 
A bit of a tangent, but this suggests how some of these people/groups can get started here, or get the logistical support needed to carry out their activities around the world (sending monies via the Hawala network, for example). While former Liberal MP and current Mayor Joe Fontana is the politician who expedited this (or perhaps was targetted by Mr Rashid), I doubt that politicians from any party would be immune to the potential of cash, power and influence that could be offered by such people:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/search-for-palestinian-authoritys-missing-millions-leads-to-canada/article10600170/

Search for Palestinian Authority’s missing millions leads to Canada
CAMPBELL CLARK
DUBAI — The Globe and Mail
Published Monday, Apr. 01 2013, 6:00 AM EDT

A search for millions that were allegedly embezzled from the Palestinian Authority has led to Canada – and raised questions about how the prime suspect obtained Canadian citizenship.

Muhammad Rashid was once a senior aide for the Palestinian Authority’s founding President, Yasser Arafat, and head of the Authority’s public investment company, which owned stakes in companies operating businesses from cement to cellphones.

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Last June, a Palestinian court convicted Mr. Rashid, in absentia, of embezzling $34-million.

The Globe and Mail has learned that Mr. Rashid’s ties to Canada have led Palestinian authorities to ask Ottawa for help looking for assets. The Canadian government, however, says there is little it can do.

The Globe has learned Mr. Rashid obtained Canadian citizenship in 2003, even though Palestinian sources claim that he resided primarily in the Middle East. Palestinian prosecutors believe Mr. Rashid, also known as Khaled Salam, now lives in London, England but that he may be travelling on a Canadian passport.

They are also following up his business dealings in Canada, including a period on the board of a Canadian bio-science company.

The Palestinian Authority’s Foreign Affairs Minister, Riad Malki, has asked his Canadian counterpart, John Baird, for help in locating what they deem stolen property. Mr. Malki personally sent a letter to Mr. Baird in February, The Globe and Mail has learned.

Mr. Baird is in the Middle East this week, visiting not only Israel and the West Bank but also Jordan and several key Gulf nations. He is likely to hear renewed requests for help when he meets with Palestinian officials in Ramallah on Saturday.

“He managed to put his assets all over the world, but not in Palestine,” the deputy chairman of the Palestinian anti-corruption commission, Akram Al Khatib, said in an interview before Mr. Malki sent his official request for assistance. The Palestinian Authority wants information on Mr. Rashid’s assets and business dealings in Canada: “We are very interested in that,” he said.

The Palestinian Authority asked Interpol to issue an arrest warrant, but was turned down because the Authority doesn’t have status as a country. Canada has also rebuffed requests for assistance. A spokesman for the Foreign Affairs Department, Amanda Reid, said because Canada does not have a formal legal-assistance treaty with the Palestinian Authority that arranges for help in foreign investigations, “Our capacity to assist is limited.”

Mr. Rashid was Mr. Arafat’s key financial adviser and chairman of Palestinian Commercial Services Company, which made more than $700-million in investments, operating a West Bank cement monopoly and buying into businesses that ranged from Egypt’s Orascom Telecom to a New York bowling alley.

Last year, he was convicted of embezzling, money laundering and taking commissions “by which he was able to unjustifiably enrich himself,” Mr. Al Khatib said. He was sentenced to 15 years in jail and a $15-million fine.

Mr. Rashid, who has been in a bitter feud with current Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said in a television interview last year that the accusations are false, and in turn accused Mr. Abbas of building a family fortune with Palestinians’ money.

But the chase for Mr. Rashid is now raising questions in Canada. How could a man working in the West Bank as a senior adviser to one of the most high-profile figures in the world, Yasser Arafat, manage to obtain Canadian citizenship?

Sources confirmed Mr. Rashid was granted citizenship in 2003. But Mr. Al Khatib said Mr. Rashid was in the West Bank for at least eight years prior. Mr. Rashid lived in Cairo for a time in 2003, when, according to reports, he had a rift with Mr. Arafat. But Mr. Al Khatib said he did not leave the West Bank for good until 2005.

The law requires that a person seeking Canadian citizenship must live in Canada for three of the four years prior to his application. Only the federal cabinet can waive those requirements. It’s not known whether Mr. Rashid claimed on his citizenship application he lived in Canada. A spokesman for the Citizenship and Immigration department, Erika-Kirsten Easton, said that because of privacy laws, the government cannot comment.

Mr. Rashid does have established links to at least one Canadian business venture, through a 1999 investment by the Palestinian Authority in human and veterinary pharmaceuticals maker Bioniche Life Sciences Inc., then based in London, Ont.

It came about, Bioniche president Graeme McRae said, after he was told of a potential investor by Joe Fontana, then a London, Ont. MP and chair of the House of Commons citizenship and immigration committee. Mr. Fontana is now London’s mayor. The Canadian government, Mr. McRae said, was helping the Palestinian company look for investments.

“He said there’s these very interesting people who want to invest in Canadian businesses – ‘ethical Canadian businesses,’ is the way it was expressed,” Mr. McRae said in telephone interview.

“And he said, ‘I want to try to bring them to London and bring their investment.’ ”

Mr. Fontana did not return telephone calls requesting comment.

The 1999 investment landed Mr. Rashid a spot on the company’s board of directors. Mr. McRae said he thought highly of Mr. Rashid, who came to a few board meetings. But Bioniche asked to buy out the Palestinian investment in 2003 due to concerns their presence might get in the way of efforts to organize new financing in the U.S.

 
E.R. Campbell said:
Here, from the National Post are school yearbook photos of the two young men, both from London, ON, suspected to have died, intentionally, in the Algeria bombing:

suspects.jpg
The latest - one more being looked into ....
Canadian authorities are investigating a man from London, Ontario, they say associated with two men from there who died in January, allegedly as part of the team of terrorists who attacked an Algerian gas plant.

Aaron Yoon isn't thought by Canadian authorities to have taken part in the attack, but joined Xristos Katsiroubas and Ali Medlej in Morocco before the assault happened, said people familiar with the matter and with Mr. Yoon. Messrs. Katsiroubas's and Medlej's trip would end with their deaths in Algeria, these people said Canadian and Algerian authorities believe.

The nature of the Canadian probe into Mr. Yoon and details of his exact relationship with the two other men aren't clear.

The probe of the three men and their upbringing in southern Ontario underscores the growing difficulty Western governments face in identifying potential threats from homegrown Islamists. It also illustrates the growing difficulty of combating terrorists directly abroad.

Mr. Yoon is in Mauritania studying Arabic and is "totally against terrorism," said his brother. The brother denied a Canadian Broadcasting Corp. report that said Mr. Yoon was jailed in an African country. "I spoke to him three days ago and he is fine," he said, without elaborating.

All three attended the London South Collegiate Institute, a school in an affluent part of the city, Mr. Yoon's brother and school authorities said.

Mr. Yoon, a Muslim convert of Korean-Canadian ancestry, was part of a group of friends who attended mosques in London, a few hours drive from Detroit, people familiar with the men said ....
Wall Street Journal, 3 Apr 13
Aaron Yoon’s sudden conversion to Islam four years ago came as a surprise to his Korean-Canadian family, but it was a generally positive one, lessening family tensions and bringing the 24-year-old closer to his siblings and parents.

He even addressed concerns about terrorism, insisting it was contrary to his new religion, and that he was “100% opposed” to such violence, his elder brother told the National Post Wednesday.

Mr. Yoon has spent the past two years studying the Koran — and trying to learn Arabic — in Morocco and neighbouring Mauritania. But the Yoons were shocked and angered this week when CBC-TV named him as a collaborator with two other Canadians who allegedly helped carry out a bloody terrorist attack in Algeria, and died in the siege.

Mr. Yoon did meet up with Xris Katsiroubas and Ali Medlej — friends from a London, Ont., high school — in Morocco two years ago, but lost contact with them after a year, said his brother, who asked not to be named for privacy reasons.

Mr. Yoon was stunned to hear of their deaths a week ago from his brother, who said he has had regular contact with his sibling.

“I broke the news to him that Xris and Ali were deceased.… He was quite shocked and took that pretty hard,” said the brother, who still lives in London.

“All he knows is what I told him: basically that they were involved in a terrorist attack and they’re deceased. He was just totally shocked, and he wants to know what happened.”

Mr. Yoon is now interested in returning to Canada and clearing his name, said the brother.

Their conversation by cellphone a week ago came after Canadian authorities approached the London family to ask about the three young men, days before their identities became public ....
National Post, 4 Apr 13
aaron-yoon.jpg

Aaron Yoon in the 2005-2006 yearbook from South Secondary School in London, Ont.. GEOFF ROBINS for National Post
 
Here, reproduced, without comment, under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail, is more on the three alleged Canadian jihadis who were (maybe) involved in the Algeria bombing:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/how-three-london-teens-ended-up-dead-or-jailed-accused-of-terrorism/article10825822/
How three London teens ended up dead or jailed, accused of terrorism

KATHRYN BLAZE CARLSON, ANN HUI AND TU THANH HA
LONDON, ONT. and TORONTO — The Globe and Mail

Published Saturday, Apr. 06 2013

They pulled up to an Edmonton bus terminal, their Southwestern Ontario childhood homes now more than 3,000 kilometres in the rearview mirror. Like so many Canadians who came before and after them, the pair of teenagers travelled west to Alberta with the hope of a decent job, a chance at prosperity, a shot at a better life.

In 2007, Xristos Katsiroubas and Ali Medlej left London, a manufacturing hub with disappearing jobs. Boasting little in savings, they turned to an elementary-school friend, who fronted them money for a deposit on an apartment and drove them around the city handing out résumés. Their dream of achieving some measure of financial stability was met with the reality of employment at places like Applebees, as a cook, and as a gas-station attendant. Those gigs didn’t last long.

Within months, Mr. Katsiroubas, a high-school dropout and convert to Islam, and Mr. Medlej, the elder of the two by a year, found themselves embittered, discouraged by a string of setbacks and confronted with a feeling that the world was conspiring against them.

Somewhere along the line, in London or Edmonton or some other place yet to come to light, the deflation and annoyance morphed into something more than typical teenage angst: In January of this year, Mr. Katsiroubas and Mr. Medlej, both in their early 20s, were found dead in the middle of the Sahara after a terrorist attack on an Algerian gas plant that killed dozens of hostages. They were not victims.

What transformed the two from average teenagers to two men accused of helping organize a violent siege remains a mystery. Similarly murky is the case of a third London man, a friend named Aaron Yoon, who is being held in a Mauritania jail under suspicion he is a jihadi with the hardline Salafist movement.

The Globe and Mail went to their hometown in search of answers, interviewing dozens of friends, neighbours and former classmates, as well as making calls across the country and overseas. The families, for their part, have chosen to guard their privacy; only Mr. Yoon’s older brother spoke out. The men’s upbringings were painted by those who knew them over the years as mostly unremarkable.

But then, of course, something changed.

When Mr. Katsiroubas arrived in Edmonton with Mr. Medlej, he was just a regular teen, according to Basel Alsaadi, Mr. Katsiroubas’ childhood friend from London who was already living in Edmonton. The two newcomers moved into an apartment with a third Londoner named Benjamin Thomas, having parties and girls over “pretty much every night,” Mr. Alsaadi said.

It was not long, though, before Mr. Katsiroubas and Mr. Medlej realized they couldn’t sustain their lifestyle. They resorted to stealing to get by, with court records reportedly showing that both Mr. Medlej and Mr. Thomas pleaded guilty to shoplifting in May, 2007, each slapped with a $1,000 fine. “They felt like others had privileges and that the world was unfair,” Mr. Alsaadi said.

Some of those feelings stemmed from their views on politics. Mr. Medlej, whose parents are believed to be Lebanese, was overheard talking about Lebanese conflicts in the Middle East – particularly its war with Israel in 2006 – saying he felt his people were being taken advantage of, bullied even. “They had an overarching understanding that things were not fair,” Mr. Alsaadi said.

Their living situation was beginning to grate on them, too. Both Muslim, Mr. Katsiroubas and Mr. Medlej grew increasingly annoyed at Mr. Thomas’ drinking and partying with friends at the apartment, Mr. Alsaadi said. Their landlady wasn’t impressed either, and they were soon evicted.

Mr. Alsaadi never thought Mr. Katsiroubas was in any kind of serious trouble until the Canadian Security Intelligence Service approached him – tipped off, according to the CBC, by someone who knew them. “It was alarming,” Mr. Alsaadi said. “I actually told them, ‘What are you guys up to, what’s going on here?’ ”

Mr. Alsaadi, who hadn’t had contact with either of the men in years, said he really doesn’t think the two were planning anything at the time. He feels, though, that the experience emboldened them. “The fact that they were being questioned kind of gave them that self-importance,” he said. “It kind of made them be even more rebellious.”

Residents in the men’s hometown were aghast at this week’s revelation that two of their own were implicated in the North Africa attack and that Mr. Yoon had been detained. The news is a conversation starter among strangers holding newspapers on street corners; it is on the lips of neighbours, friends and relatives trying to reconcile the portrait of the families they knew years ago with the narrative emerging now about the three men.

For Mr. Alsaadi and another childhood friend, the bearded, Muslim-garbed Mr. Katsiroubas, who ultimately went by the name of “Mustafa,” was wholly unrecognizable next to the memory of a Greek boy named Xris. The young Xris played volleyball, basketball and road hockey. He went to the movies and visited a Greek bakery with his father, Stan, and he was a “Conflict Cooler” who helped settle playground spats at St. George Etienne Cartier elementary school.

The school, in a well-to-do neighbourhood, is a walk away from the house he called home after his parents divorced. His mother moved into the Chiddington Avenue home, already owned by her new husband Ian Hawn, merging the two families. “It was a Brady Bunch situation,” said the childhood friend’s father, who hosted Mr. Katsiroubas for playdates.

Mr. Alsaadi remembers feeling as though Mr. Katsiroubas’ mother and Mr. Hawn, his engineer stepfather, played favourites. With the two families under one roof, Xris was one of three boys, alongside his biological brother Andrew and a stepbrother, Eric. Mr. Katsiroubas often descended into the basement alone to play video games.

Mr. Katsiroubas and Mr. Yoon went to elementary school together, but since Mr. Medlej attended a different school, he didn’t come into the fold until high school at London South Collegiate Institute – until Grade 10 or so, when he and Mr. Katsiroubas “clicked,” as one former schoolmate put it.

Mr. Medlej was a year older and not like the other two. While Mr. Yoon and Mr. Katsiroubas were described in their early high-school years as inconspicuous, Mr. Medlej was remembered for an oftentimes “jolly” nature, a sometimes hot temper and his impressive smarts.

“In my memory, he’s got a smile and kind of happy-go-lucky [personality] for the most part,” said former classmate Michael Melito, who played football with Mr. Medlej. He added, though: “[He was] quick to anger, but not an angry person … Maybe someone who had a shorter fuse.”

One friend remembers Mr. Medlej telling him he took a baseball bat to a “group of white kids” who were yelling at him from their porch. Another former schoolmate said he got into a brawl with Mr. Medlej outside a London bar in 2008 – there had long been bad blood between the two, the schoolmate said, since he was convinced Mr. Medlej stole his backpack in high school.

But the friend said Mr. Medlej was also incredibly bright. “He and I would sit together [in class], and goof off or whatever, but I would get mediocre marks, whereas he would goof off and still get like 90s,” he said of studying together at the collegiate, which is in one of the city’s oldest neighbourhoods.

Although this friend saw Mr. Medlej as a leader who didn’t travel with a pack, he believed Mr. Medlej wanted to “fit in” with the Lebanese cohort at a school somewhat divided between the “white” students and an immigrant population captured by the school after it widened its net to the south.

It is there, in the south London neighbourhood of White Oaks, that Mr. Yoon’s Catholic parents live. Unlike the Katsiroubas house, with its healthy lawn and backyard pool, the Yoon apartment is on the dimly lit third-floor of a three-storey walk-up condominium complex across from a mall.

By 2006, Mr. Katsiroubas had left behind his Greek Orthodox upbringing for Islam, praying daily with Mr. Medlej at the high school, one former schoolmate said. Mr. Katsiroubas started going by the name “Mustafa,” sporting a long beard and then, after dropping out of school around Grade 11, donning more traditional Muslim clothing.

“Maybe he just found it difficult, maybe he didn’t have the support,” Mr. Alsaadi said. “Maybe it was the people he hung around with didn’t value school, per se, and wanted to just move on and do other things.”

Indeed, the friend who grew up with Mr. Katsiroubas said “Mustafa” started hanging out with a different crowd, all but ignoring this former friend at school. “Right away, he changed [after converting],” he said. “He travelled many places and came back with a beard. You couldn’t recognize him. He started wearing different clothes. You’d see him in the smoker’s pit and he wouldn’t say a word to anyone.”

The nature of any travel outside Canada is a major question mark in this evolving tale. It may be what prompted CSIS to ask the RCMP to put Mr. Katsiroubas and Mr. Medlej on their radar two years ago, a move that suggested law-enforcement authorities were increasingly concerned about their potential crimes.

When threats are felt to be serious enough, CSIS sends a “disclosure letter” or an “advisory letter” to the RCMP concerning the most dangerous extremists. The disclosure letters provide tips and leads to the Mounties, while advisory letters provide the RCMP with information that is intended to support police searches, wiretaps and, eventually, criminal charges.

Little is publicly known about where Mr. Katsiroubas had journeyed before meeting his death at the Algerian gas plant in January. Mr. Alsaadi said he believes Mr. Katsiroubas and Mr. Medlej left Canada in 2009 – for where, he doesn’t know – but the pair must have returned before venturing to North Africa because they were both spotted in London in the years between.

The friend who went to elementary school with Mr. Katsiroubas said he saw Mustafa in early 2012, shortly after one of Mr. Katsiroubas’ high-school friends, Said Hadbai, was shot dead after he reportedly stepped in to help a friend involved in a fight. The friend said hello and offered his condolences; Mr. Katsiroubas, whom the friend said was “dead to [the family]” by this point, offered but a nod.

Mr. Medlej, for his part, got married sometime in late 2009 or early 2010. A friend posted a message to Facebook on Jan. 9, 2010, saying his “bro Ali Medlej” had just got married. The day before, the friend wrote that Mr. Medlej was planning to “hang” with him and Mustafa in London – that they were going to “the mosque.”

A year later, Mr. Medlej was working at a downtown London Hasty Market.

Mr. Yoon came to the Muslim faith later than Mr. Medlej and Mr. Katsiroubas, converting from Catholicism to Islam three or four years ago, his older brother told The Globe. One woman who said she worked with Mr. Yoon while he was a busboy at a Mandarin restaurant in 2008, and then again when he hauled furniture from the stockroom at a Leon’s warehouse in 2011, noticed a major shift in those years.

At Leon’s, he prayed daily and refused to converse with female supervisors since, he said, women had no business being “superior.” He flooded his former coworker’s Facebook feed with so many quotes from the Koran that she ultimately deleted him from her social network.

“He was this fun-loving guy at the Mandarin,” she said, adding that he used to have after-work drinks with coworkers and spend time with a girlfriend. “And then when I saw him at the Leon’s, it was a complete shock. He isolated himself from people and hung out alone.”

One of Mr. Yoon’s two older brothers, who answered the door Wednesday at his parents’ White Oaks dwelling with tired, red eyes, said Mr. Yoon became a “better person” when he adopted the teachings of the Koran, fostering a better relationship with his family.

Around the time Mr. Yoon is believed to have converted and the other two returned from Edmonton disgruntled at an “unfair” world, two Canadian diplomats – Robert Fowler and Louis Guay – disappeared while on a mission in Niger. They were held hostage for four months by the men of Mokhtar Belmokhtar, a leader of al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) and the man believed to be behind the Algeria hostage-taking.

Mr. Yoon’s brother firmly rejects the notion that Mr. Yoon had become radicalized – or that he journeyed to North Africa for any reason other than to join friends, initially in Morocco.

It turns out that Mr. Yoon left for Mauritania in May, 2011, to study Arabic in the capital, Nouakchott, according to Amnesty International. Just seven months into his African trip, he was arrested as a terror suspect, and by July, 2012, he was sentenced to two years in jail and a fine, said an Amnesty International researcher, Gaëtan Mootoo.

News of this third Londoner’s detention went unnoticed because it was published in a little-known Arabic-language publication. In a July 29, 2012, article, the Mauritanian magazine El Hourriya reported that a Canadian named Haroun Yoon was in custody on suspicions that he was a jihadi with the radical Salafist movement.

That summer, Mr. Mootoo visited Mr. Yoon, but the Canadian said he didn’t want the human-rights group to lobby on his behalf. “He didn’t want Amnesty to campaign for him so I have to respect that,” Mr. Mootoo said in a telephone interview Friday from Paris.

The fate of Mr. Yoon’s friends took longer to emerge. They had ended up with the militants of Mr. Belmokhtar, who had kidnapped the Canadian diplomats four years before. Having splintered from AQIM, Mr. Belmokhtar’s group now called themselves the Al-Mulathameen brigade and “Those Who Sign with Blood.”

Travelling from northern Mali to Algeria via the Libyan desert, the two Canadians and other militants arrived at the In Amenas gas field just before dawn on Jan. 16. They fired at two buses of workers, then stormed the living quarters, dragging out workers, targeting Westerners, killing those who tried to escape and rigging others with explosives.

The following evening, a member of Those Who Sign with Blood called a Mauritanian news agency, Agence Nouakchott d’Information, and revealed that the terrorist commando included militants from Canada. The bloody raid ended with a standoff with Algerian security forces and the death of 38 hostages and 29 terrorists.

Survivors told reporters one of the terrorists had fair hair and spoke fluent English. While the Algerian prime minister quickly alleged that two Canadians played a key role in the hostage taking, it would only be in March that the RCMP confirmed their nationality and this week that the police force acknowledged Mr. Medlej and Mr. Katsiroubas had died there.

For Mr. Yoon, freedom may come by the end of this year since his sentence is up in December, Mr. Mootoo said, adding that the Canadian is being held in relatively decent surroundings, has regular meals and is able to pray.

In an interview Friday night with the CBC from his cell in Mauritania, Mr. Yoon denied the allegations against him and said he was shocked at the news his friends were involved in the attack. He also complained of maltreatment, saying, “I’ve been beaten, I’ve been tortured, and I’m still sick, and I still don’t see any medical attention, I don’t see any help from the Canadian government in my release.”

Mr. Yoon’s older brother said he spoke with him many times over the phone, as recently as last weekend, when he gained assurances that “everything was fine.”

“I hope Aaron comes back and clears all of this up,” he said. “We’re waiting for his call.”


With reports from Colin Freeze, Rich Cash and Daniel Leblanc

 
It's interesting as a feel nice piece about the poor Canadian boys led astray, but somehow I don't see them as misdirected. They made their choices.
 
And of course, Mr. Yoon is now saying that the government didn't offer him any help.....  ::)

Canadian jailed in Mauritania says Canada didn't help, sources disagree:report

Citing unnamed sources, CBC News says Aaron Yoon — who reportedly travelled abroad with two Canadians killed during a terrorist seige in Algeria — has been visited nine times by Canadian consular officials.

The report has the sources saying Yoon urged officials not to tell his family in Canada about his situation, a request the government has to abide by due to the Privacy Act.

More at link
 
In addition to a possible fourth London ON youth being involved in the Algeria gas plant bombing, the Toronto Star is reporting that a former York University student may have been part of a team of suicide bombers who attacked Mogadishu on Sunday.

The Star says that "intelligence, police and government sources in Mogadishu and Ottawa told the Star that they were investigating reports that Mahad Ali Dhore was one of the nine Al Shabab militants who stormed the capital’s courthouse Sunday as part of the well-co-ordinated attack, which included a separate car bomb targeting Turkish aid workers."
 
And another Canadian jihadi speaks out, in this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the National Post:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/03/na0504-gd-terror/
From a super-maximum prison cell, Canadian convicted terrorist describes his ‘gradual’ radicalization

Gary Dimmock, Postmedia News

Last Updated: 13/05/04

OTTAWA — The first Canadian charged under the country’s post-9/11 anti-terrorism laws has condemned both the Boston bombings and an alleged al-Qaeda-inspired plot to attack a VIA passenger train for targeting civilians and says if the radicalization of the accused was anything like his own, it would have been a “gradual” process driven by news of suffering in their homelands at the hands of Western troops in an online age that connected them with other young Muslims ready to take up arms.

“For me, it was gradual. There was no moment of enlightenment,” Momin Khawaja told the Ottawa Citizen.

Khawaja, born and mostly raised in Ottawa, is serving life in a super-maximum prison after he was found guilty in 2008 of participating in, contributing to, financing and facilitating a group of British Islamist extremists plotting to bomb London in 2004 and wage a wider jihad against the West.

In his first interview since his 2004 arrest, Khawaja said the pair accused in the VIA plot were wrong to “harm innocent civilians and not military combatants.”

He noted that he was days away from booking a flight to go fight alongside insurgents in either Afghanistan or Iraq when he was arrested at the Department of Foreign Affairs, where he worked on contract as a software developer.

News footage and newspaper headlines of civilians getting killed in the wars weighed on him.

“It was upsetting to me because I connected to that region. It was a difficult time and there was a lot going on in the world. In a war, you have two sides and you pick a side. I was prepared to go help defend individuals with the tribal groups.”

He couldn’t escape the news of civilian deaths in war zones. It found him at the gym and the mosque. “Everyone was talking about it. ‘Did you see about the deaths at the wedding procession, or did you hear about the bombing of the market?’ ” said Khawaja, now 34.

It hit him harder than most at his mosque, where he taught up to 40 children and teens every weekend.

“I was drawn to the militant ideology.”

He then sought out like-minded Muslims on the Internet. “You don’t just stumble upon what I would call ‘popular interest groups.’ ”

“I felt a connection with these people and, in my mind, it was a good channel for my energy or output at the time,” he said.

The convicted terrorist said he was also drawn to the insurgents’ fitness regime and looked at it as a goal to stay in good shape. “It seemed suitable,” he said.

“I also felt that I needed to help these people under a military war. I wanted to help individuals defending themselves. In any military, they train their soldiers to stay fit so they can fight.”

“I had no bad intentions, and my family knows that,” he added.

Khawaja had been to Pakistan — his father’s homeland — and said being close to hostilities affected him. So much so that he found time away from his fiancee to train at a paramilitary camp in Pakistan, where he fired more rounds than he could count. He said the terrain of the training camp reminded him of Gatineau Park and riverside stretches of the Ottawa neighbourhood where he lived.

He said he trained alongside a dozen young men, all willing to risk their lives to one day fight alongside the insurgents.

While he was convicted on several terrorism charges, he was not found guilty in the 2004 British plot to bomb nightclubs, and prosecutors introduced no evidence to show he knew anything about the planned bombing.

In fact, he said he thought he was developing what authorities dubbed the Hi-Fi Digimonster, not to detonate bombs in London, but to set off improvised explosive devices in the Middle East against what he called “military combatants” such as NATO troops.

He said he wanted to fight against U.S. control of Middle East oil resources.

Khawaja, who did not testify at his trial, also wanted to set the record straight about the name of the remote detonator he built in his bedroom at his parents’ home.

“I did not coin the phrase Hi-Fi Digimonster. The cops did that.”

He said that he never gave it a name but referred to it as The Buzzer.

He said The Buzzer had several uses, and “only one of its intended uses was to detonate improvised explosive devices in a war region.”

He said it would never have been used against civilian targets, but exclusively against military combatants.

Khawaja said his radicalization was largely enabled by the Internet, where he hooked up with others prepared for jihad.

He used draft email exchanges with co-conspirators and said jihad videos on the Internet also influenced him.

“Today, for youngsters, it would have a lot to do with the Internet,” he said.

These days, Khawaja is a world away from the online world he used to frequent.

“I’ve overcome my need for the Internet. I have been without the Internet for 10 years and my life is no worse for it,” he said.

But for a few years living in Saudi Arabia as a child, Khawaja was raised in Ottawa, where he fit in well, in and outside school.

He said his childhood was pretty normal, and he excelled in high school, where he once scored the second-highest in an Ontario-wide math exam.

There was a basketball net in his driveway, a souped-up car and plenty of hip hop music. But he traded in cars and chasing girls for a religious life, one that had him praying five times a day rather than sleeping in and missing morning prayer.

He spent his free time at the mosque, which in 2004 was still a small house where they prayed on the basement floor.

He taught at the mosque on the weekends and remembers hearing stories of fellow Muslims being subjected to racist taunts.

After the September 2001 attacks in the United States, the backlash against Muslims got so bad that attendance at Friday prayers at Khawaja’s mosque was reduced by half.

They were scared in their own neighbourhood after a 15-year-old Muslim boy was beaten unconscious by a gang of white teens in what was found to be a hate crime in 2001.

Khawaja heard more and more stories of fellow Muslims being taunted in the community, and while no slurs targeted him directly, he developed a deep connection to those subjected to hate.

“I don’t hate any individual. I may dislike some of their qualities, but I don’t hate individuals,” he said.

Khawaja knew enough about guns that he had several registered weapons in his bedroom at his parents’ house, and he fired many rounds at a rifle range in Ottawa’s west end.

He blames U.S. foreign policy and wars in Afghanistan and Iraq for prompting Muslim men to radicalize and cause harm in a deadly revenge campaign.

Khawaja was found guilty in October 2008. Three days before the court date for his sentencing hearing, in March 2009, he called home and asked that they get some honey, good meat and the last Star Wars film, which he had missed because he was in jail awaiting trial. He and his family figured he’d just get time served and they’d be celebrating his release at the same home the Mounties stormed with guns drawn in 2004.

But he got 101/2 years, and later, an appeal court increased that sentence to life in prison.

His mother, Azra, expressed relief that he was not convicted in the London terror plot, which she called “those dirty things.” Prosecutors, trying Khawaja for a plot that was never executed, wanted the judge to sentence him up to 50 years in prison.

He is up for parole next year but he says he will not apply and will waive his right to a parole board hearing. He said he’s resigned to the fact he will never get parole if he doesn’t get a transfer from the country’s super-maximum facility. He would have a much better chance at winning parole if he got a transfer to a medium-security prison, but that is unlikely.

In fact, Khawaja has for years been denied a transfer to another prison.

He now spends at least 23 hours a day in an isolation cell. He is fed through a meal slot and has no contact with the outside world except monthly visits from his parents.

But he doesn’t complain about prison, let alone its food. He said the Halal meal, dubbed the Khawaja Diet for its low salt, comes with a dessert cake that makes his eyes light up.

He spends most of his days working out in his cell, curling any weight he can find including milk bags filled with water, and doing pushups and sit ups. He also goes for what he calls “walks” that have him pacing the length of his prison cell.

He can do it for hours with his eyes closed. “I have never hit my forehead on the wall.”

He follows the news by reading the Montreal Gazette, and though he has a television, he says he rarely watches it. He prays a lot and reads fitness magazines to pass the time and has spent countless hours detailing his life in writing for his case-management officer.

He can go under escort to the prison yard once a day but he sometimes takes a pass.

He has also taken university correspondence courses, including history.

While a model inmate, he has been in isolation for more than a year. He lost contact with other inmates after he was splashed with boiling water by a prisoner.

He doesn’t know what prompted the attack but said, “In here, a lot of the inmates are not educated and it could be something small or someone telling them to act like that,” he said.

Postmedia News


Mr. Khawaja's comments are, doubtless, self serving but they are also instructive about "how" young Canadians can become radicalized. There aren't any "root causes," just impressionable young men bombarded with information which they are insufficiently mentally disciplined to process. One point that resonates with me: prisons - Mr. Khawaja, commenting on his fellow inmates, says, "In here, a lot of the inmates are not educated and it could be something small or someone telling them to act like that;” data from the US, a couple of years ago, said that Islam was the fastest growing religion in prisons.
 
We have not seen, at least in my jail, an upsurge in conversion to Islam.
We did have one about five years ago, but he was murdered a few years ago.
 
I find it very ironic that this guy says killing civilians is wrong and that the devices he has created were for NATO troops. We all know insurgents kill and injure plenty of civilians with there IED's and sucide bombers. Yes, NATO troops have had situations where civilians have been killed too. I think he misses the point that this is a war and unfortunatly civilians do get killed from both sides. To blame NATO soley on civilian deaths shows that he is unable to admit the insurgent side is just as responsible for causing this if not more. Not to mention the many deaths and executions the taliban did to the civilian population long before the war. Hopefully he can learn some of this through his history course. Just my  :2c:
 
Jim Seggie said:
We have not seen, at least in my jail, an upsurge in conversion to Islam.
We did have one about five years ago, but he was murdered a few years ago.

Probably has something to do with the fact that a large amount of the US inmates are African American who would be more likely to convert to islam.



larry
 
Larry Strong said:
Probably has something to do with the fact that a large amount of the US inmates are African American who would be more likely to convert to islam.



larry

I was going to mention that the majority of our inmates are aboriginal, Metis and Caucasian, with a smattering of those of African descent.

In any case , the aboriginal people have their own belief system, plus they really don't like some other races.....
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Reproduced, without comment, under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330180/Woolwich-attacks-Two-men-arrested-offensive-Twitter-comments-Lee-Rigbys-death.html


But others are commenting; first: Alan Johnson, Editor of Fathom: for a deeper understanding of Israel and the region, Senior Research Fellow at the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre (BICOM), professor of democratic theory and practice, editorial board member of Dissent magazine, and a Senior Research Associate at The Foreign Policy Centre in this opinion oiece which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from The Telegraph:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/alanjohnson/100218584/we-need-to-talk-about-islamism/
We need to talk about Islamism

By Alan Johnson

Last updated: May 23rd, 2013

If I had slept through yesterday, woken up this morning, and gone online, I might have thought the EDL beheaded someone. There is a lot of displacement on Twitter and FB, as if it's all too politically difficult and socially awkward to talk about the killers' ideology, or the place of religion in that ideology. So we talk instead about the EDL, or John Reid, or drones, or "the religion of peace" or say "Christians kill too" or "what about Anders Breivik", or, well, anything but the brute fact that the murderers, like so very many before them, shouted "Allahu Akbar".

Of course we need to condemn every form of racist backlash and seek unity between Muslims and non-Muslims against extremism of all kinds. And much of the response, beginning with those truly heroic women who risked their lives to protect that young man's body from further mutilation, has shown the best of us, just as our reaction to 7/7 did. But it isn't enough. We need to discuss the elephant in the room – the radical and sectarian, often violent, and sometimes fascistic political ideology and global movement of Islamism.

Why? Because we are fighting against a religiously inspired ideology, jihadism, but we don't want to talk about religion. There are many reasons for our reticence but here are three for starters: two are unattractive, while one is laudable, if misplaced.

First, we are frightened to talk freely.

Not, hitherto, because we fear that our throats will be slit, although since the Rushdie Affair that fear has produced much artistic self-censorship, as the artist Grayson Perry once had the courage to admit. No, intellectual self-censorship begins elsewhere, in the fear of losing one's place in the warmth of the tribe, huddled together by the fire. We fear that if we look too closely or think too clearly, or talk too much about the problem of Islamism, and the connections as well as the separations between it and Islam, then we will be sent into the cold – shunned by colleagues, not invited to this dinner party, or that conference. We may even face social death itself by being called "Islamophobic". The university today is a stultifyingly conformist institution, reminiscent of those old Soviet-era "cultural associations". The standard version, the line, is policed rigorously. And the only accredited language in which people are allowed to speak is full of well-rehearsed evasions and apologias and exculpatory frameworks.

Second, we are ignorant of what to talk about.

In our intellectual culture religion is a mystery. That's why the commentators mostly refuse to believe religion, any religion, can have anything to do with terrorism. So they either translate terrorists screaming "Allahu Akbar!" into something they can understand – economics, foreign policy, identity – or just change the subject altogether, writing instead (not as well) about the dangers of a racist backlash, the threat of the loss of civil liberties, and so on.

In the last 24 hours I've read again and again about the need not to talk about Islam. "All religions are the same," say the commentators and politicians. Well, are they? Is anything? Yes and no. Try sentences that begin "all political parties are…" Or "all governments are…" "All sports are…" "All art is…" In every case you can say some sensible things in the rest of the sentence but you have walled yourself from most things, and most of the things that matter most, about any particular political party, government, sport, or art form. The fact is that there are all sorts of differences between religions and they matter. For example: the character and reception of the founding revelation, not least whether it is understood as mediated or not (and therefore open to reform or not). Or the content of the revelation, including the very understanding of God. Other differences include the relation to other religions, to the secular world, to human-made power and law (e.g. "Rome"). Does the religion view the very idea of a separate political realm as a kind of impiety, an affront to God? Was the prophet his own Constantine or not? The answers diverge and radically. Religions, in other words, can't just be analysed as barely distinguishable forms of the same impulse, as if we were all in an A Level Religion class. They have radically specific contents, unique and conditioning histories, and those differences matter profoundly when they bump up against the secular world.

Third, we want to protect a vulnerable minority.

The last reason for our reticence about talking about Islam and Islamism is the best one. We are frightened of giving comfort to those who would exploit the actions of radical Islamists to attack ordinary Muslims. We worry that if we link this terrorist murder to big words like Islam and Islamism then we will unleash reaction, encourage the EDL and BNP, and the victims will be ordinary Muslims. And that is a good impulse which should condition how we talk about Islam and Islamism. But it should no longer determine whether we talk about Islam and Islamism. It's all too late for that.

Muslims like the Canadian writer Irshad Manji will tell us that the people who would benefit most from a free-wheeling conversation would be ordinary Muslims who are perplexed by our society's pussy-footing indulgence of the extremism which has taken root in some places and would feel licensed to speak out. We can defend religious freedom and defend Muslim reformers, but what we can't do anymore is just change the subject.

Anyway, it's too late, for another reason. One of the fruits of globalisation is that the walls separating what concerns "us" from what concerns "them" have tumbled down. We are all "us", now. The global is local. Woolwich made plain that the fear and the violence and the grieving that has spilled over from what the Muslim political scientist Bassam Tibi calls "Islam's predicament with modernity" are now also ours to bear, and they will borne also by our children and our grandchildren. No more changing the subject.


So three reasons for not talking about Islam:

    1. We are afraid to talk about Islam, specifically, not because we fear Muslim violence but, rather, because we fear being characterized as bigots;

    2. We don't know much about religion, any religion, and we know even less about what any specific group believes; and

    3. We want to protect a minority from slander.

But, Islam - ordinary Islam - does have a "predicament with modernity" and it is, now, our predicament, too.

I am, to a greater or less degree, guilty of all three fears, but, mainly, I think No. 2 is my main problem. How can I fairly comment on something about which I am abysmally ignorant?
 
E.R. Campbell said:
But others are commenting; first: Alan Johnson, Editor of Fathom: for a deeper understanding of Israel and the region, Senior Research Fellow at the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre (BICOM), professor of democratic theory and practice, editorial board member of Dissent magazine, and a Senior Research Associate at The Foreign Policy Centre in this opinion oiece which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from The Telegraph:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/alanjohnson/100218584/we-need-to-talk-about-islamism/

So three reasons for not talking about Islam:

    1. We are afraid to talk about Islam, specifically, not because we fear Muslim violence but, rather, because we fear being characterized as bigots;

    2. We don't know much about religion, any religion, and we know even less about what any specific group believes; and

    3. We want to protect a minority from slander.

But, Islam - ordinary Islam - does have a "predicament with modernity" and it is, now, our predicament, too.

I am, to a greater or less degree, guilty of all three fears, but, mainly, I think No. 2 is my main problem. How can I fairly comment on something about which I am abysmally ignorant?


And Terry Glavin chimes in in this opinion piece which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Ottawa Citizen:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/Column+Moral+illiterates+weigh+Woolwich/8426785/story.html
Column: Moral illiterates weigh in on Woolwich

By Terry Glavin, Ottawa Citizen

May 24, 2013

It has become a disgusting habit of contemporary journalism that every time some deranged yob goes off the deep end with a carving knife shouting Allahu akbar, a battalion of television crews surrounds and lays siege to the local mosque until heartfelt on-air disavowals and loud declarations of civic loyalty are extracted from whichever hapless imam happens to answer the doorbell.

This really needs to stop.

It is not the fault of the Muslim mainstream nor any gruesome network of dingbat back street ayatollahs that a commonplace trope of the popular culture insists that the so-called West is at war with the so-called Muslim World, and that consequently anytime some lunatic who thinks he’s a Muslim goes on a shooting or kettle-bombing spree in any one of the NATO countries, we should take it as form of understandable retaliation.

It is that caste of moral illiterates among the celebrity opinion-arbiters of the popular culture that has established this imbecility as, like, central to the discourse. If it’s grovelling apologies and pledges of fealty we want, we should be dragging them out of that crowd and giving our harmlessly devout Muslim neighbours a rest for once.

I mean, I ask you. Before the blood of 25-year-old Royal Fusilier Lee Rigby had even dried on that street in the South London borough of Woolwich Tuesday, the grotesque American gasbag Michael Moore was trying to make a cheap laugh out of it by being facetious with his 1.5 million plus Twitter followers: “I am outraged that we can’t kill people in other counties without them trying to kill us!”

Here’s former London mayor Ken Livingstone doing exactly the same sort of thing. Building himself an escape route out of all the usual preamble stuffing — of course we support the police in their investigations, our thoughts are with the family, of course we are all outraged — Livingstone gives us this: “In 2002, before the invasion of Iraq, the security services warned the prime minister, Tony Blair, that this would make Britain a target for terrorist attacks. We are still experiencing the dreadful truth of this warning.”

Ian Leslie, author of Born Liars, Why We Can’t Live Without Deceit, answered Livingstone’s obscenity by usefully noticing that the great Muslim revenge orgy that Livingstone and his type have been predicting for the past decade or so has never materialized. All we have seen are such deranged losers as the Boston Marathon bombers and cretins with Sarf London accents and machetes and a rusted gun that didn’t work.

“The simple reason is that most Muslims, like most everyone, are not potential terrorists just waiting to be activated by the action of a government,” Leslie pointed out Thursday. “It takes Ken-levels of parochialism and self-obsession to imagine that they are.”

In the Guardian newspaper, that once-sturdy clarion of robust left-wing analysis, the American pseudo-progressive Glenn Greenwald offers up harmony to Livingstone’s melody line in a column that exploits the fuzzy timidities around the definition and the common use of the term “terrorism,” and he does so in such a way as to completely normalize what he claims is not merely “Muslim” violence, but justifiable Muslim violence.

“It is very hard to escape the conclusion that, operationally, the term has no real definition at this point beyond ‘violence engaged in by Muslims in retaliation against western violence toward Muslims’.”

Retaliation? Of course, the throat-clearing, the obligatory concession that “highlighting this causation doesn’t remotely justify the acts.”

Well, how nice to have that cleared up. But it is nonetheless “the causation” that Greenwald slips in without having the courage to make the case for it. The problem, the root cause, indeed the proximate cause is “western violence against Muslims.” There it is. It’s our fault.

Can you imagine some imam getting away with saying something like that? Of course you can’t.

We have had this sort of thing in Canada, too. When the Toronto Star’s Haroon Siddiqui put himself to the work of outlining the acceptable liberal-establishment opinion about the RCMP’s busting-up of a plot to bomb the Parliament buildings in the summer of 2010, the headline on Siddiqui’s homily says it all well enough: “To tackle domestic terrorism, end foreign wars.”

Terrorism is what we should expect, Siddiqui declared. It’s because of Afghanistan. The Toronto 18? That wasn’t a case of demented young men looking for adventure in a culture where it’s positively cool to assert that the “West” is at war with “Islam.” It’s simply because they were Muslims, and because of Afghanistan, we’re expected to believe. The convicted terrorist Said Namouh of Montreal? Our fault.

Guy’s a Muslim. We’re in Afghanistan. Ottawa’s own Momin Khawaja, convicting of plotting mayhem with British jihadists? It was because he is a Muslim and we’re in Afghanistan.

Do note that it isn’t some imam in some dingy mosque carrying on like that, although now and then there will be one of those, too. Note as well that the overwhelming majority of Afghans, and the overwhelming majority of Afghan-Canadians, supported NATO’s intervention, and most of these people are, as it happens, Muslims.

Note well that these idiocies about blowback and retaliation do not generally come from the mosques at all. It’s the sort of rubbish that comes from out of the mouths of moral illiterates.

It should stop.

Terry Glavin is an author and journalist whose most recent book is Come From the Shadows.

© Copyright (c) The Ottawa Citizen


And, further, Terry Glavin comments on both his column and Alan Johnson's (in the post just preceding this one) in this commentary which is also reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Ottawa Citizen

http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2013/05/24/fibbing-about-terrorism-badgering-muslims/
Fibbing About Terrorism & Badgering Muslims

Posted by: Terry Glavin

May 24, 2013

Alan Johnson is quite right, of course. It shouldn’t take a couple of deranged yobs howling Allahu Akbar and hacking to death the 25-year-old Royal Fusilier Lee Rigby in broad daylight on Wednesday in the South London borough of Woolwich to make it obvious. “We need to discuss the elephant in the room – the radical and sectarian, often violent, and sometimes fascistic political ideology and global movement of Islamism. Why? Because we are fighting against a religiously inspired ideology, jihadism, but we don’t want to talk about religion.”

This reluctance to get serious about that conversation is the source of so much fuzziness and reticence and timidity about the intimately related matter of “terrorism.” I’ve been banging on about this dangerous incoherence for quite some time and I touched on the subject again only a couple of weeks ago in the Ottawa Citizen. Just for starters, in Canada’s case, Section 83.01(1)(b) of the Criminal Code fails to distinguish between acts of violence that are unambiguously intended for terrorist mayhem and legitimate acts of revolutionary violence necessary to the purpose of regime change in state-terrorist tyrannies like that of Syria’s Bashar al-Assad. There is a difference.

Ever since September 11 there has been a legitimate argument about which is more destructive to open societies: the menace of Johnson’s “often violent and sometimes fascistic political ideology” that usually goes by the name terrorism, or the craven and supine apologetics for Islamist crackpotism that form such central motifs of liberal establishment opinion about it.

In my Ottawa Citizen column today I notice how moral illiteracy defines the way such reliably creepy arbiters of hip opinion as the Guardian’s Glenn Greenwald and the American celebrity bullshit artist Michael Moore are responding to the Woolwich atrocity. Michael Moore tries to get a laugh out of his Twitter followers about it, in his usual cheap and vulgar way, but it is only the fuzzy timidities around the definition and the common use of the term “terrorism” that allow Greenwald to so easily and completely normalize what he presents as perfectly understandable Muslim revenge violence.

The “causation” that Greenwald slips in without having the courage to make the case for it, the root cause, indeed the proximate cause of Wednesday’s atrocity, is “western violence against Muslims.” There it is. Wednesday’s outage was retaliation. It’s “our” fault, because “we” have been so mean to “them.” Can you imagine some Etobicoke imam getting away with saying something like that? Of course you can’t. He’d be run out of town on a bus by the good Muslims of Etobicoke.

I’m not so certain that occasional security lapses with tragic consequences are really the greater threat to our civil liberties and our sovereignty than demands for our outright capitulation all trussed up to look cool and sophisticated, as in this 2010 Haroon Siddiqui homily under the helpfully brazen headline To tackle domestic terrorism, end foreign wars. I’ve always thought it strange that the Toronto Star will shout and yell about the privatization of government services, but subcontracting Canada’s foreign policy to the Toronto 18? Hey, we’re cool with that.

My case is that it’s not “the Muslims” who have any explaining to do about the commonplace trope that the so-called West is at war with the so-called Muslim World, and that anytime some depraved and bloodthirsty lunatic who fancies himself as an aggrieved Muslim goes on a rampage in any one of the NATO countries we should take it as understandable, which is to say rational, behaviour. It is mainly that caste of moral illiterates among the celebrity opinion-arbiters of popular culture that has established this imbecility as, like, central to the discourse, man. It’s that lot that has some explaining to do. We might badger them for a change and give our innocently devout Muslim neighbours a rest for once, is my point.

Alan Johnson is quite right. It’s just that the question isn’t about Islam so much as it is about Islamism, which almost always takes on some form of terrorism. It’s not about “us” versus some Muslim “them.”

Johnson: “One of the fruits of globalisation is that the walls separating what concerns “us” from what concerns “them” have tumbled down. We are all “us”, now. The global is local. Woolwich made plain that the fear and the violence and the grieving that has spilled over from what the Muslim political scientist Bassam Tibi calls “Islam’s predicament with modernity” are now also ours to bear, and they will borne also by our children and our grandchildren. No more changing the subject.”

And no more excuse-making for wanton barbarism, either.


There is no need for further comments from me except to say that I agree with Terry Glavin. Islam is a religion, just one of many, and I have no serious qualms with any of them, so long as they stay in their temples, churches, synagogues, basilicas, mosques and cathedrals; Islamism is NOT a religion, it is a culturally based movement, and one which is, broadly and generally, wantonly barbaric and, therefore, one which we should and, I think, can eradicate.

 
2 Cdo said:
Well this time the flames of speculation were right. Islam gets a pass in the UK while anything against it is prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Pretending it doesn't is dishonest. One day the UK will wake up and find itself an Islamic state if it doesn't start addressing the problem soonest.

The thing is, is that the West (Europe and the Americas) are asleep.  By the time they wake up it will be too late.  If people want to be in denial, they are only delaying the inevitable.  It is here.  It is now.  We already have a topic on it:  They Walk Among Us.  Many are still in denial.  Those who look at this as being a REAL threat are often called one of many things: Bigots; Paranoid; Racists; Alarmists; and many other less popular or acceptable names.

Very few Muslims are actually free thinkers and open to the freedoms that we in the West enjoy.  A few have raised their voices in concern to what is happening.  One such person has publicly raised his concerns and been ignored by the majority of Muslims in America.  The following documentary is quite an eye opener:  The Third Jihad - Radical Islam's Vision for America

If you visit the website, The Third Jihad, you will see that there are some major concerns about our security being questioned.  In fact, if you take a look at A Second Look at 'The Third Jihad', you will find more insight.

Is it too late for us already?  Are we still asleep to what is unfolding around us?  How many still think that there is no threat to their comfortable way of life? 

I think we are still asleep.  Some of us may never wake up.
 
I don't want to talk about Islam.

I want humans to exist peacefully with one another.
When a human behaves in contradiction to the greater good of mankind as a race, ie shooting up schools hacking up people in the street planning terror attacks, i want them removed from the public. I don't care why they claim to have done what they have done.

To me the why is inconsequential. I don't want them killing humans to inadvertently give them a platform to get their message out, even post humorously. By telling the murderers story were setting the next killer with a story up to take the stage.
 
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