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Individual Meal Pack (IMP) [Merged]

daftandbarmy said:
Bizarrely, a settlement was finally reached when Mr Lewis, of Hedgehog Foods, interviewed gypsies who actually did eat baked hedgehogs, to ascertain the flavour of hedgehogs. Mr Lewis then commissioned a flavourings firm to duplicate the flavour as closely as possible and changed the labels from "hedgehog flavoured" to "hedgehog flavour" and all interests were satisfied!

http://www.doyouremember.co.uk/memory.php?memID=4286

Reality really can be stranger than fiction....
 
Towards_the_gap said:
Not trying to dogpile you but having served as a british soldier, I can confirm the 'officer ration' to be a myth, up there with 'if you do 25 years as a private you get an RSM's pension'  and 'you cannot be charged for punching someone between the time of 2359 and 0000'..
Aaw Crap! there go all my best war stories....  ;) :warstory:
 
Pandora114 said:
I don't know if I should be excited...or grossed out...

The fries won't be crispy....the whole point of eating Poutine is to scarf it down before the fries turn to floppy limp sticks.

This comment made Power and Politics with Evan Solomon last week. He mentioned the story and this discussion. Awesome.
 
naw sorry. I doubt it will ever appear on youtube. Not much from that show does.
 
ObedientiaZelum said:
I've been told box lunches are pretty expensive. Does anyone know how much they cost out of idle curiosity?
Took a bit of digging, but here's one example from MERX (docs attached):  (if I added up properly) 65,190 box lunches for St. Jean coming in at a bid of $430K = ~$6.60 per box lunch on that bid (that's just the cost of getting the box lunches to the receiving door of the mess).  Once I get more info on other successful bids, I'll share it here if folks are still interested.
 
milnews.ca said:
Not to mention "hamburger pouch" x ~100K - what part of the hamburger IS the pouch, anyway?

I'm also kinda curious how chicken cordon bleu ....

.... will translate into pouch fare.

Have you ever seen Chicken with Ham & Cheese?  It's the same CF standard 'chicken' breast, just floating in ham and cheese soup.  I imagine Cordon Bleu will float the same way...

 
Pandora114 said:
oooh got a youtube for that?  >.>  I dont' watch much TV

If you can determine the date, you can view it on the cbc player. http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV+Shows/Power+%26+Politics+with+Evan+Solomon/ID/2336658524/?sort=MostRecent
 
Bumped with the latest from the Info-machine ....
Marching ammo. Soldier fuel. Combat rations. Whichever term is used, developing new combat rations that will be well accepted by Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) members is serious business.

Ann Delaney and Megan Buchanan, Combat Rations Specialists with the National Combat Rations Program, put their food science degrees to good use by helping create new and healthier portable meals for the CAF. They work with Registered Dietitian Hilda-Anne Troupe and other team members at the Directorate of Food Services in Gatineau, Quebec to formulate rations that will provide optimal nutrition for optimal performance in any operational situation.

Each three-year research and development cycle aims to create three to four new recipes. The process begins with an analysis of food trends, soldiers’ feedback, NATO standards and current nutritional research, and then continues with field trials of the newly created sample meals at the brigade level before they are approved for production and delivery.

Also called Individual Meal Packs or IMPs, they contain between 1,200 and 1,400 calories per meal and come in a variety of carefully-developed menu options.

Traditionally, a paper questionnaire was inserted in each ration pack, numbering about one million a year. Unfortunately, only a relatively small number were being returned annually, since filling out a questionnaire on the battlefield or during training was inconvenient, to say the least.

To remedy this, the combat rations team is now taking advantage of social media. The program’s Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/pages/Canadian-Combat-Rations-Rations-de-Combat-Canadiennes/213893152120758  has an online version of the questionnaire. Eventually users will be able to access the page for nutritional information, product development and to post questions. As of spring 2015, the outer packaging of new IMPs will display a Quick Reference Code, or QRC that can be scanned by smartphones to access the combat rations Facebook page.

There are 21 meals available, broken up into two categories of seven breakfasts and 14 “day meals” that can be used for either lunch or supper. In addition to the main meal, each IMP contains assorted basics such as powdered coffee, protein and sports drink mixes, energy bars, trail mix, peanut butter, cereal, condiments, candy, chocolate, gum, a plastic spoon, a wet towelette and matches.

To meet various member requirements, the vegetarian options are formulated to meet kosher and halal requirements as well. For the general population, there are tried-and-true comfort foods like shepherd’s pie and spaghetti with meatballs. Hamburger and smoked meat meals debuted in 2014. Some are more leading-edge, such as the most recent additions to be found in soldier backpacks in the spring of 2015: pulled pork and poutine.

The IMPs are fully cooked and ready to eat straight from the packaging, but most are improved by heating when conditions and time permit.

IMPs provide adequate nutrition when fresh food is not available to the troops because of conditions during exercises and operations. According to studies, nutrition has an effect  on achieving optimal cognitive,  physical and psychosocial performance. Troops are often subject to physical and environmental extremes; therefore nutrition plays a key role in resilience (the ability to fight the fight), recovery of nutritional status after military activities (the ability to fight another day) and on the soldier’s long-term wellness, injury prevention and quality of sleep and mood.

“Nutrition is complex and requires sound evidence based on scientific data to support the requirements of the soldier,” said Ms. Troupe. “The National Combat Rations team and the Directorate of Food Services consider current research by other nations in the area of military feeding when looking at new products for the IMPs.” 

She notes that the directorate is currently working with Defence Research and Development Canada to determine CAF soldiers’ energy expenditure versus intake and the acceptance level of current IMPs. Information obtained from this research will be considered in future combat rations development.

The technology used to package the food provides a number of challenges, according to Ms. Delaney, who has 13 years of experience in her role. The processing technology was invented in the 1970s by the United States Army in partnership with industry. It produces a product comparable to canned food – without the can. This technology uses less energy and fewer resources than metal or glass packaging and is lighter to carry.

The packaging used is called a “retort pouch” which is similar to a can but is lighter and more flexible. The food is inserted into the pouch, sealed, then heated under pressure to cook and sterilize the food. According to Ms. Delaney, the temperatures required for processing retort pouches are lower than for a can, which means more of the sensory and nutritional qualities of the food are retained.

She notes that some popular meals do not lend themselves well to this type of processing, so the team works to get as close as possible under the circumstances. In creating a poutine IMP, the team basically deconstructed the ingredients and adapted them to the technology.

“We couldn’t make fries, so we have cooked potatoes with gravy, cheese and big chunks of cooked chicken to add some protein,” she said. “When we tested it in the field, they liked it very much.”

Pizza is another tricky one, so they created a pizza-flavoured pasta meal with peppers and sausage instead, to good reviews.

Not everything is a hit, however. “We have had surprises when we thought a meal was very promising, but the people didn’t like it,” said Ms. Delaney.

“Every second year, we go to brigades in Valcartier, Petawawa and Edmonton to test the new menus with about 60 people from each brigade,” she said. “They are the ones who will ultimately decide if they will go into the rations.”

Ms. Delaney notes that although an IMP’s expiry date is three years from the date it is assembled, it is still safe to eat for quite some time afterward as long as the pouch is not damaged and the IMP has been properly stored.

“Shelf life is related not to food safety but to the sensory quality of the food. We take into account that after three years, the bread may be too dry or the texture and appearance of the fruit may not be as interesting,” she said. “But because the main components are sterilized, you can open a ration and if the retort pouch is intact, the content is still good to eat because the sterile environment remains. ”
 
One thing I find interesting is in the link posted on 15 Feb 2013 is for the sandwiches for Trenton must have margarine but for Petawawa no butter or margarine allowed.
MMMM dry sandwiches.
 
X Royal said:
One thing I find interesting is in the link posted on 15 Feb 2013 is for the sandwiches for Trenton must have margarine but for Petawawa no butter or margarine allowed.
MMMM dry sandwiches.
Yeah, there ARE odd anomalies in these sorts of things.
 
Also noticed that for Petawawa sandwiches must be cut but for Trenton they must be cut diagonally.
Isn't that classy.
 
X Royal said:
One thing I find interesting is in the link posted on 15 Feb 2013 is for the sandwiches for Trenton must have margarine but for Petawawa no butter or margarine allowed.
MMMM dry sandwiches.

Well that's encouraging. We should be thanking food services for protecting us from ourselves......

 
I wonder how the cheese curds and gravy will stand against the test of time in those space age packages...
 
I'd be in favour of any initiative that ensures our troops get more access to properly cooked hot food in the field, and that the ration packs are just there for relatively short periods of time when you can't get the hay boxes to the troops, or vice versa. The excessive effort and resources we seem to be spending on developing various fancy menus could then be better invested elsewhere.

'Boil in the bag' should not replace sound leadership and efficient staff work IMHO.
 
Bumped with the latest list o'menus via the public tendering site - some highlights from the specs (attached):
(....)

Poutine must consist of French fry shaped potato pieces, chunks of cheese and pieces of chicken breast in characteristic seasoned gravy.

Minimum Drained Weights:
Chicken: 42g
Cheese: 30g
Potatoes: 72g
Average net weight of the finished product: 240g

(....)

Shepherd's Pie must consist of ground beef, diced potatoes, super sweet kernel corn and appropriate seasonings and spices. The approximate ration of diced potatoes and kernel corn is 2:1 by weight.

Minimum Drained Weights:
Beef: 90g
Potatoes and kernel corn: 75g
Average net weight of finished product: 240g

(....)

7.2.14 Salmon

The Salmon must be prepared from one solid piece of skinless and boneless fish filet of wild or farmed “Chinook” variety. The appearance of brown flesh should be minimized. Farmed “Chinook” salmon is acceptable only when wild “Chinook” salmon is not available because of a government moratorium on fishing this salmon species. On exception only and for production purposes, a second piece of salmon filet can be used to meet the required net weight (should not exceed 35% of the total pouch production).

The cooked fish filet must be packaged in a retort pouch in its own juices and free from smoky flavour.  The colour of the raw salmon must be KETA5 or KETA6 according to the Alaska Seafood Marketing Institute for Keta Salmon Colour Chart.

Minimum Drained Weight:
Salmon: 100g
Average net weight of finished product: 110g

7.2.15 Zesty Seafood Seasoning

The Zesty Seafood Seasoning must be a 5.6g package of chili pepper, salt, dehydrated lime juice,
and silicon dioxide to prevent caking. It must be packaged in foil and have a shelf life of 3 years.

(....)

Chinese Style Beef Macaroni must consist of small elbow macaroni, ground beef, vegetables and appropriate seasoning including soya sauce. The Chinese style beef macaroni shall be prepared from small elbow macaroni and pure, lean, boneless ground beef muscle tissue. Also, the Chinese style beef macaroni must contain identifiable pieces of diced onion, celery and green and red pepper and suitable seasonings. The dish must have a characteristic Chinese flavour.

Minimum Drained Weights:
Beef: 60g
Pasta: 70g
Vegetables (combined): 20g
Average Net Weight of the finished product: 240g

(....)
 
I just stumbled across this and it reminded me of this thread...

http://forces.tv/71670583#pT6q21fvfAFHb2G3.01
 
Bumped with the latest - according to tender documents for the outside bag covers, it looks like the first run of IMPs being assembled early next year will be including the magic menu #15  ;D
  • Menu 1: Beans & Weiners
  • Menu 2: Scalloped Potatoes & Ham
  • Menu 3: Hash Browns & Bacon
  • Menu 4: Sausage & Hash Browns
  • Menu 5: Breakfast Patties
  • Menu 6: Baked Beans
  • Menu 7: Breakfast Patties
  • Menu 8: Chinese Style Beef Macaroni
  • Menu 9: Chicken & Vegetable Stew
  • Menu 10: Smoked Meat with Demi-Glace Sauce
  • Menu 11: Chicken & Sausage Jambalaya
  • Menu 12: Pulled Pork
  • Menu 13: Hamburger
  • Menu 14: Lasagna
  • Menu 15: Poutine
  • Menu 16: Turkey Strips with Orange Sauce
  • Menu 17: Lamb & Vegetable Stew
  • Menu 18: Shepherd's Pie
  • Menu 19: Salmon
  • Menu 20: Meatballs with Gravy
  • Menu 21: Pasta Stuffed with Ricotta
 
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