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If You Haven’t Gone To War — You’re About To

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Army IDs 37,000 soldiers who have not gone to war — and could spell relief for the heavily deployed
By Gina Cavallaro - gcavallaro@militarytimes.com
Posted : November 19, 2007

Soldiers who haven’t been downrange yet had better hone their warrior skills because the Army wants to see more combat patches in the ranks.

The Army has targeted 37,000 active-duty soldiers who have yet to serve a combat tour after more than six years of war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Over that period, 59.4 percent of some 515,000 active-duty soldiers have deployed to the Central Command area of operations at least once, according to data compiled by Human Resources Command. Many of them have served three or four tours — some even more.

Another 33.4 percent have not served a war tour but are assigned to units with pending deployments; are not in deployable status because they are at basic training, school or other Army training; have medical or legal issues that keep them out of rotation; are serving as instructors, recruiters or drill sergeants; or are in transit or otherwise on hold.

But 7.2 percent, roughly 37,000 active-duty soldiers, have been identified by HRC as available for deployment and are facing transfer to operational units.

Soldiers charged with combing through the rolls at HRC indicated that many troops yet to deploy have been ready and willing to go, and many have volunteered but haven’t had the opportunity. But the assignments officers also acknowledged that some homesteading and deployment-ducking have taken place.

“Certainly in a population of 37,000 you’ll have soldiers who say, ‘I’ll avoid this at any cost,’” said Col. Louis Henkel, deputy director of the Enlisted Personnel Management Directorate at HRC.

“Does that mean the Army will give them cover? No,” Henkel said.

But while some soldiers may not move toward the sound of the guns, Army Vice Chief of Staff Gen. Dick Cody says he thinks they are in the minority.

“This far into the war, I think that is more of a perception than a reality,” Cody said, explaining that it has taken this long to get every soldier an opportunity to go downrange while simultaneously creating cohesive leadership in deploying units and in units that are being stood up.

“I think you could go to any post, camp or station and you could probably find someone who’s been in the Army four years and hasn’t deployed and that would be the exception, not the rule. Because when you look into it, that may be the best trainer for our medics down at [Brooke Army Medical Center],” Cody offered as an example. HRC officials were unable to provide a breakdown by major command of soldiers being considered for first-time deployments.

Of the Armywide 7.2 percent being looked at for first deployments, the highest number without combat tours, 27.1 percent, work in health services, a field in which the need for specialists on the home front makes rotations less frequent.

The next largest group at 7.1 percent is considerably smaller and comprises soldiers who work in operations support in branches and career management fields that include space operations, foreign area officers, nuclear and counterproliferation, signal, telecommunication systems engineering, strategic plans and policy, simulation operations and information systems management.

Soldiers who work in transportation, ordnance quartermaster, logistics, adjutant general, finance, human resources and acquisition make up 4.1 percent of the undeployed.

And the smallest group of undeployed soldiers, 3.5 percent, is in the maneuver, fires and effects category, which includes all combat-arms specialties, special operations and public affairs.

Many of these targeted soldiers work in places such as the Pentagon, Installation Management Command, HRC and other units in the Military District of Washington.

The long haul
Army leaders long have described what they believe will be persistent global conflict in which the Army will continue to play a major role.

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have continued longer than projected, requiring active-duty troops to serve back-to-back deployments and reservists to serve as operational forces.

The relentless operations tempo has been the source of wide dissatisfaction inside the ranks and among family members, creating a stiff and ongoing challenge to recruiting and retaining troops.

To help ease the deployment strain, the Army has accelerated by two years, to 2010, its goal of growing active-duty end strength to 547,000, from the current 519,000. Also, the service is putting more money into addressing family support issues and looking for places where soldiers who are tired from relentless rotations can sit the game out for a while.

The Marine Corps embarked on a similar campaign close to a year ago with a Corps-wide message from the commandant ordering all hands into the fight and specifically targeting 66,000 leathernecks who had not deployed.

the Army has not issued any such message. Rather, the hunt for fresh warriors has evolved as repeat deployments have become standard for much of the force and others have been reassigned to non-deploying billets before it was obvious the operations tempo was not going to slacken any time soon.

“Everybody wants to go downrange and be part of this because they know the importance of this war,” Cody said, adding, “At the same time, there’s a demand to make sure we have the right noncommissioned officer leaders and officer leaders at our training bases that are training up these young men and women to go to these units.”

The need to get combat vets into training bases forced HRC to look deeper into the ranks for soldiers who could deploy and have not.

To help rotate people into those jobs, Gen. William S. Wallace, commander of Training and Doctrine Command, said he has asked the Army G-1, the TRADOC command sergeant major and HRC to see “where we can accept two-year assignments in TRADOC and to codify those assignments to the point where we can start moving people in and out without doing damage to our organizational structure in the process.”

“I don’t want to create so much turbulence in TRADOC that it becomes inefficient in terms of moving people around, but there is great value, in my judgment, in having combat veterans wearing the TRADOC patch because they bring credibility and they bring life, they bring energy into the organization,” he said in a recent interview.

Wallace said he doesn’t expect it to be a blanket policy across the command because of the turbulence it could cause in training the force.

But, where it makes sense, he said, he’d “like to move people in and out of TRADOC in a more rapid fashion because I need the combat experience, and I think our combat veterans in some cases need a break.”

Henkel said people who have been in TRADOC billets for six years will “be the first in the queue.”

Some targeted TRADOC positions, Cody noted, won’t be able to move into operational units until replacements whose deployments have been pushed to 15 months can return and get to the assignment.

“Obviously when job one is to fill fully trained, best-led units into combat, with 20 brigades in Iraq, and three brigades in Afghanistan plus another 4,500 senior leaders on military training teams, just that demand alone has driven us to make sure that we’re balancing this force in terms of getting the right people in the right positions so we have trained and ready forces in this fight,” Cody said.
 
This move makes a great deal of sense. How is it fair for these soldiers to stay home while the rest of the army fights? If they are fit, then they should fight.
 
Big Foot said:
This move makes a great deal of sense. How is it fair for these soldiers to stay home while the rest of the army fights? If they are fit, then they should fight.

And if they aren't fit, why are they in the Army?
 
I wonder if our army has done this to see how many still have not deployed?
Could take the burden off troops with 4-5 tours to Afganistan.Are our numbers in comparision that high do you think?
 
There are a number of factors that have made soldiers non-deployable such as serious debt,medical conditions such as HIV,pregnancy, heart disease and cancer.
 
And, of course,  some are not in the occupations or ranks we are deploying. 
 
tomahawk6 said:
There are a number of factors that have made soldiers non-deployable such as serious debt,medical conditions such as HIV,pregnancy, heart disease and cancer.

Absolutely, and I have no heart ache with such conditions. 

However - the last time I checked, a pregnancy lasted for nine months, not six years.  If you haven't sorted out your debt problems in six years then maybe it's time to be deep sixed, heart disease, HIV, and cancer all (in general) make you unfit for duty, why are they still in?

 
I'm sure some that are unfit for deployment are employed in schools and such places....no ?

Roy Harding said:
And if they aren't fit, why are they in the Army?

I seem to remember a lenghty thread on this site advocating exactly what i said above.
 
CDN Aviator said:
I'm sure some that are unfit for deployment are employed in schools and such places....no ?

I seem to remember a lenghty thread on this site advocating exactly what i said above.

You're right - there are other threads here on the subject - I'll drop it.
 
The Army hasnt done as good a job as the Marines about reassigning combat seasoned NCO's into the schoolhouse, but its a good sign that the bureaucracy see's the value of combat vets serving as instructors in TRADOC and moving those who havent deployed into combat units so they too can gain combat experience.
 
T6,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the rate of non-deployed higher than 7% during the War in Vietnam?  I recall reading a book called 'M Company' which followed a company of US Army recruits from basic training to going overseas.  It detailed that half of the soldiers, who were infantry trained, went to Europe while the rest went to SEA.  Now these were draftees with a two year obligation so that may have made a difference in the numbers vis-a-vis deployable vs non-deployable.  Also the US Army was over a million strong at this time, but I have read other accounts of soldiers who were able to avoid active service in Vietnam during the whole 7 years of ground force participation in the war.

Interested to hear your views on this.

Dan.
 
You have to remember that the US Army had to be ready to engage the Russians in Europe or a resumption of hostilities in Korea. Only 25% of draftees served in Vietnam the rest volunteered for Vietnam.
The size of the Army was a bit over 1.4m troops . I know that when I went through Basic and AIT that all the NCO's and most officers were combat veterans of Vietnam.Among the senior officers/NCO's were alot of WW2/Korea vets so the force had alot of combat experience from top to bottom. Something we havent seen since OIF/OEF.
 
X-mo-1979 said:
I wonder if our army has done this to see how many still have not deployed?
Could take the burden off troops with 4-5 tours to Afganistan.Are our numbers in comparision that high do you think?

I haven't heard of one combat arms soldier that has that many tours to Afghanistan yet.

The highest so far, that I've heard of, is 3...and they had to sign wavers to go on their third one.

Most units go through their own checks to make sure that the deployments are evenly spread.

Regards
 
Recce By Death said:
Most units go through their own checks to make sure that the deployments are evenly spread.

True, but some still slip through.  I attended a taskers meeting (I'm the tasker for my NDHQ directorate) where a full colonel asked, rhetorically, "why has MCpl X got six tours and MCpl Y got none?  Both are the same rank in the same trade working in the same directorate."

Good question, eh!  The answer could be that MCpl Y is one of those troops who the unit can count on to get things done at and for the unit (i.e. CO's pet project NCO/star athlete/uber kitshop entrepreneur etc.)  They are protected.  The downside is that MCpl Y may really want a tour, but he also wants that shot at Sgt, the gilded PER or the "tailored to him" civvy job.  So, does he ask for a deployment or live in the shadows?
 
Haggis said:
True, but some still slip through.  I attended a taskers meeting (I'm the tasker for my NDHQ directorate) where a full colonel asked, rhetorically, "why has MCpl X got six tours and MCpl Y got none?  Both are the same rank in the same trade working in the same directorate."

Good question, eh!  The answer could be that MCpl Y is one of those troops who the unit can count on to get things done at and for the unit (i.e. CO's pet project NCO/star athlete/uber kitshop entrepreneur etc.)  They are protected.  The downside is that MCpl Y may really want a tour, but he also wants that shot at Sgt, the gilded PER or the "tailored to him" civvy job.  So, does he ask for a deployment or live in the shadows?

Haggis,
Good points, could another reason be where they are posted, and what rank level they are looking for?
I thought theatre PER(s) are supposed to carry the same weight as ones from garrison (or is that something that is not always applied?)
We have a few Cpl/Pte on standby in my trade at this base,(other trades have been sent from here). No positions from here for MCpl or SNR NCO(s) in my trade as of yet. There was one last year, but a nil return was sent from the base because they didn't have anyone to backfill our spot here if one of us went.(Is that a reason you hear alot?). Some of us here want to go over again, but they don't want to let us go due to staff shortages. So it comes down to either staying put and hoping they let you go, or asking for a posting back to an operational unit. I don't see static bases being able to refuse operational taskings for much longer for that reason, because you're supposed to be able to step up and keep doing the job if one is missing, right?  ???
 
This article makes it look like it's so simple and easy.

Logistics in deploying is so complicated.  We got people here who WANT to go - and they're stuck on a list.

Who goes and who doesn't is a very complicated drawn-out process.  Maybe some officer can describe the whole process.

It's not just pull-up a spreadsheet, find people who haven't gone, then click a check-mark.

I haven't heard anyone gripe about multiple-deployed.  Where do these authors find these people?  Most I talk to are excited about how much money they've made, the rank they've achieved, and how much they've accomplished there.  Makes me jealous.  They only drawback they admit, is missing their loved ones.  Which is understandable.

r
 
I have been trying to re-deploy since 2003-2004.And due to posting and career courses could not.However finally after getting back to my regiment from a static posting I am now deploying.Believe me its not a good feeling knowing your left behind in Canada,I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy.It came to a point where release and applying to the reserves was looking like a quicker option.

Lucky I got my chance,time for people to start looking at where we post our people and see how many people they are forgetting.

3 years posted away,
glad to be back.
 
razorguns said:
Logistics in deploying is so complicated.  We got people here who WANT to go - and they're stuck on a list.

There are so many reasons why soldiers cannot go on a deployment, or in reverse why certain soldiers repeatedly get sent away on tours, it would get to be a pretty lengthy list...



 
If the US Army has too many say 16S MANPADS Stinger operators, re train them as 11B Infantry. I dont believe there is a tremendous threat of being Strafed by AQ Migs lately. The USAF has a surplus of  several Hundred Lt.'s, give them an Option of Blue to Green as Officers in Needed Army MOS fields.

We just had a CSM retire when he couldnt get out of Deploying to Afghanistan as an ETT Member. 30 years in, never been outside the CONUS.

Good Riddance to a Lousy excuse for a Non-Com.
 
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