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Gun Control: US and Global II

I'm writing about the U.S. This is happened in the state of NY a couple of hours ago

New York State AG Letitia James files lawsuit to dissolve the National Rifle Association | FULL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOl1ltT-WSQ&feature=youtu.be

30+ minutes long
 
shawn5o said:
I'm writing about the U.S. This is happened in the state of NY a couple of hours ago

New York State AG Letitia James files lawsuit to dissolve the National Rifle Association | FULL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOl1ltT-WSQ&feature=youtu.be

30+ minutes long

She's a Democratic party political activist so her decision to go ahead with this would have been very carefully considered.

Meaning, the Dem party expects to get some positive spin out of it.
 
There isn't necessarily any positive spin to be had, at least not net positive; plenty of Democrats are firearm owners and carriers.  The NRA typically puts a lot of effort into getting Republicans elected, so the point may simply be to hinder the NRA by preoccupying it with its own legal troubles for the next few months.  If the NRA is removed, another organization will replace it.  The question is whether the long-term consequences justify the short-term (one election) gain expected.
 
Not to mention in the firearms rights ecosystem, the NRA are seen as "to willing to compromise". If the NRA goes down, what replaces it may be a whole lot harder to deal with and the reality is that new gun owners are expanding at a rapid rate and the riots and failure to police are driving people into the gun ownership world

On March 13, President Trump issued a proclamation declaring a national emergency concerning the COVID-19 outbreak. Over the next 12 days (including that day), firearm sales surged, jumping to over 120,000 per day, and peaking at 176,000 on March 16.  Over 700,000 additional firearms were sold in March.

The geographic pattern in the additional sales is not correlated with COVID-19 death rates nor with increases in unemployment rates. This suggests that the spike in firearm sales resulted from a general sense of national apprehension, rather than a response to differential deterioration in local conditions. Over the next two months, as the country settled into its new environment and even moved into a period of scheduled re-openings, firearm sales stabilized, if perhaps at a slightly higher level than earlier in the year (seasonal variation is modest during this period of the year).


https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/07/13/three-million-more-guns-the-spring-2020-spike-in-firearm-sales/
 
NRA? Too willing to compromise?

Not exactly two terms I'd ever see in proximity to each other.

;D
 
Defund police
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Minneapolis police: be prepared to give up your phone and belongs if someone tries to rob you. Do as they say.
[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITMAr1G2Bvg&app=desktop ]

Good luck getting rid of the NRA.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Ollie North blow the whistle on these guys a few years ago when he was President but the good ole boys on the board turfed him out?

:worms:
 
FJAG said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Ollie North blow the whistle on these guys a few years ago when he was President but the good ole boys on the board turfed him out?

:worms:

Oliver North,
In April 2019, in the midst of a wide-ranging dispute involving the NRA's chief executive Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's advertising agency Ackerman McQueen, and the NRA's law firm Brewer Attorneys & Counselors, North announced that he would not serve a second term as president, ostensibly against his wishes. On April 24, 2019, North asked LaPierre to resign. On April 16, 2019, North and NRA first vice president Richard Childress wrote to the chairman of the NRA audit committee and the NRA's secretary and general counsel calling for an independent audit of the billing from the NRA's law firm, Brewer Attorneys & Counselors.In an April 24, 2019 letter to the executive committee of the NRA board, North said that he was forming a committee to investigate alleged financial improprieties, allegations which he said threatened the NRA's non-profit status. In an April 25, 2019 letter to the NRA board, LaPierre said that North was threatening to release damaging information about him. On April 27, 2019, in a letter read on his behalf at the NRA's annual convention in Indianapolis, Indiana, North announced he would not serve a second term. North's term ended on April 29, 2019, when he was replaced by Carolyn D. Meadows. On May 3, 2019, Senators Ron Wyden of Oregon, Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, and Bob Menendez of New Jersey, members of the Senate Finance Committee, wrote to North, LaPierre, and the NRA's advertising agency Ackerman McQueen requesting copies of the letters to the NRA board by North and LaPierre, seeking documents related to the allegations, and directing records preservation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North#National_Rifle_Association



 
That sounds about right. It was this that I think generated the AG investigation.

Oliver North steps down as NRA president amid dispute over 'damaging' information
Lucas Jackson

INDIANAPOLIS (Reuters) - Retired U.S. Marine Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North will step down as president of the National Rifle Association, North said on Saturday, adding he was being forced out due to his allegations that NRA leaders engaged in financial improprieties.

In a letter read to the organization’s annual meeting in Indianapolis by an NRA board member, North, a conservative commentator best known for his central role in the 1980s Iran-Contra affair, said he had hoped to run for re-election when his term ends on Monday.

“I am now informed that will not happen,” North said in the letter.

His departure came after NRA Chief Executive Wayne LaPierre accused North of trying to oust him by threatening to release “damaging” information about him, according to a letter from LaPierre to NRA board members that was published by the Wall Street Journal on Friday.

NRA officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The New York Times reported on Saturday that the New York attorney general, Letitia James, opened an investigation into the group’s tax-exempt status, sending letters on Friday to the NRA and affiliated entities, including its charitable foundation, telling them to preserve relevant financial records.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-nra/oliver-north-steps-down-as-nra-president-amid-dispute-over-damaging-information-idUSKCN1S30EQ

See also: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/oliver-north-in-court-filing-says-nra-is-smearing-him-to-avoid-scrutiny-2019-07-11

:cheers:
 
FJAG said:
NRA? Too willing to compromise?

Not exactly two terms I'd ever see in proximity to each other.

;D

That's because you do not understand that segment and the NRA has been successfully demonized for doing an effective job for it's millions of members. It's enemies must destroy it for the crime of being successful. 
 
shawn5o said:
I'm writing about the U.S. This is happened in the state of NY a couple of hours ago

New York State AG Letitia James files lawsuit to dissolve the National Rifle Association | FULL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOl1ltT-WSQ&feature=youtu.be

30+ minutes long

Is the New York Attorney General Selectively Investigating The NRA?
by Alan M. Dershowitz
August 11, 2020 at 4:00 am

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16331/new-york-attorney-general-nra

The announcement that the Attorney General of New York is investigating the National Rifle Association and looking to shut it down raises potentially serious constitutional concerns. I am no fan of the NRA. Politically, I think it wields too much influence against reasonable gun control, which I support as consistent with the Second Amendment. It is too closely connected with the profitability of gun manufacturers. It advocates positions and supports candidates, even if indirectly, that I believe undercut our safety.


I will never contribute to the NRA and I will generally vote against candidates it supports. But to paraphrase Voltaire, I will strongly defend its right to be wrong. The NRA is entitled under the First Amendment to advocate these views and to petition the government for what it regards as a redress of grievances under the Second Amendment.
To be sure, the Attorney General of New York has the legitimate authority to investigate all eleemosynary, that is charitable, organizations that operate in New York.

The key word is all. If the Attorney General of New York is applying precisely the same standards of investigation to the NRA as it applies to all other charitable groups that advocate controversial positions, including liberal and radical ones, then I could not complain about unequal application of the law. And perhaps she is. But some will wonder whether the liberal Democrat who currently holds the position of New York Attorney General has investigated liberal charities with the same vigor that she is going after the conservative NRA.

Even more important, has she sought to totally shut down these organizations rather than reform them? Again, perhaps she has, but if so she should cite precedents. In today's highly politicized atmosphere, the burden is on her to demonstrate equal application of the law to all similarly situated charities, regardless of their political positions. She may be able to satisfy that burden, but she should do it with specific examples, especially of liberal organizations she has tried to shut down and throw out of the state.

If the evidence were to show selective investigation of the NRA, that would be part of a larger problem: the weaponization of our justice system for partisan and ideological purposes. The justice system must always be above partisan politics. It cannot serve as a weapon for either side in the political wars that are being fought by both sides at this highly divisive time.

Again to paraphrase, this time the Romans: "Who will guard the guardians?" Who is investigating the decision by the Attorney General of New York to try to shut down the NRA? Is the media seeking her records of prior investigations of other groups whose leaders may have used charitable contributions for private or mixed charitable-private expenditures? Are there governing standards for conducting such investigations or shutting down first amendment-protected organizations? Or does the Attorney General claim the power to pick and choose which charitable organizations to investigate and shut down?

Today it is the liberal Attorney General investigating the conservative NRA. Tomorrow it may be a conservative Attorney General investigating Planned Parenthood, the ACLU or anti-gun organizations. Does this investigation pass the "a shoe on the other foot test?"

These and other questions should be addressed by the media, by lawyer's groups in New York, by the ACLU and by others interested in the equal application of the law. There may be good answers and if so we are entitled to them.

It would be a mistake for the NRA to pack up its bags and move to Texas, as President Trump has suggested. If it is being singled out because of its political positions, it should stay and fight. Under the so called "castle doctrine" that the NRA advocates, no one or required to leave their home in the face of an intrusion (your home is your castle, hence the term). I for one don't support a wide application of the castle doctrine, but the NRA does. It would create a dangerous precedent if a politically motivated attorney general could force a constitutionally protected advocacy group to leave the state for fear of being selectively investigated.

No leaders of any charity have the right to cheat their donors by spending contributions on personal, as distinguished from charitable, expenditures. The line between the two is not always clear, especially when it comes to first class travel and accommodations. But it is precisely because the line isn't clear that objective standards, equally applicable to all, must be articulated and enforced. Absent such standards, the Attorney General has too much discretion to use her considerable powers selectively and unfairly.

The complaint against the NRA alleges some serious matters. And the New York attorney general's office has in fact investigated some liberal charities for comparable misconduct. The question remains whether that office is applying more demanding standards against politically disfavored groups?

Applying uniform standards is particularly important when it comes to First Amendment protected activity. Regardless of what anyone, including me, thinks of the NRA's politics, no one can doubt that its advocacy against reasonable gun control is core First Amendment activity that must be protected by the courts against selective investigations and efforts to shut it down.

Alan M. Dershowitz is the Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law Emeritus at Harvard Law School
 
Colin P said:
That's because you do not understand that segment and the NRA has been successfully demonized for doing an effective job for it's millions of members. It's enemies must destroy it for the crime of being successful.

It appears that if it’s to be destroyed, it’s for the crime (literal, not figurative) of becoming the executive’s slush fund.
 
If that is the case, then they need to go after the Directors, not the organization. If she goes after a organization as a whole, likely any finding against will likley be tossed on constitutional grounds. The NRA has gone through turmoil before and will likley survive and flourish. Even they are able to block it from NY, then another group will take it's place.
 
Glad I'm not travelling to the US any time soon:

TSA officers detecting more guns at checkpoints in spite of lower passenger throughput

TSA seeing three times as many guns compared to last year

Transportation Security Administration officers detected firearms in carry-on bags at a rate three times higher this past July than the same month in 2019, though passenger volume is significantly lower.

TSA officers detected 15.3 guns per million people last month compared to 5.1 guns per million people screened during July 2019. The rate is particularly alarming, given that TSA screened about 75% fewer passengers in July 2020, over the previous year's volume.

...

"Even more concerning is that 80 percent of the firearms coming into the checkpoint are loaded and it's just an accident waiting to happen..."

...

... Eighty-seven percent of firearms detected at checkpoints last year were loaded.

...


https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2020/08/10/tsa-officers-detecting-more-guns-checkpoints-spite-lower-passenger
 
Does that include guns declared? I wonder if TSA is spending more time checking baggage and that people are taking the chance because they are avoiding the checked bag fees.
 
OceanBonfire said:
Glad I'm not travelling to the US any time soon:

That's 15 out of a million passenger. Considering that around 75% are likely legal guns that people forgot they had in their bag it's not a huge threat indicator. Plus CCW holders in the US have a indictment rate around 1% of permit holders, they are the least likely group to cause problems.
 
mariomike said:
Saw this in Canadian gun politics,

More on the topic,

Do we need to have two different threads running on gun control?

Fine if so but some replies to comments on one thread are finding their way to the other thread! Makes for a bit of confusion.

I've posted this publicly because I'm wondering if anybody else is experiencing the same difficulties.
 
Donald H said:
Do we need to have two different threads running on gun control?

I shall pass your concern up the Chain of Command.
 
mariomike said:
I shall pass your concern up the Chain of Command.

Thank you mariomike. My concern is mostly on being quoted on a different thread.
 
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