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Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]

... So who does he meet? The leaders of this? King, Lich and Lichter? (Sounds like a trio of Dungeon and Dragons bad guys lol). And then who? Unity Canada? They gave a list of demands that shows either a fundamental misunderstanding of how our political system works or they are crazy ...
That's the rub. With a lot of fluid, multi-issue (I know it's generally anti-mandate here, but a lot of other things seem to come up re: what gov't should be doing) grassroots organizations, if you speak to command team x, command team y'll say, "hey, they don't speak for us" and splinter team z'll say "Splinters!" And that goes for many multi-faceted grassroots groups.

Then again, the stage hasn't been set from the government side to talk to anyone at this point, so this could just be academic for now.
 
I suppose it all depends on who you interact with - I have had the opposite experience here in AB.

FWIW I work in an industry with requirements that are nearly identical to those being protested.
I'd wager there is broad support for this in varying degrees. Some support removing mandates, some support Trudeau stepping down, almost everyone is sick and tired of the 2 years of restrictions, censorship, firings, division, and multiple jabs to flatten a curve that has yet to flatten.
 
$9.2 million. If only it was possible for the City of Ottawa to sue for reimbursement of the estimated $800K per day of additional policing costs.

Great minds think alike . . . fools . . . yada, yada . . .

The mysteriously sourced “Freedom Convoy 2022” account on the GoFundMe crowd-funding site sat at more than $9.5 million yesterday. Its fund-raising goal, which has been repeatedly ratcheted up over the past two weeks, is now $10-million.

Meanwhile, as the occupation of their city by far-right “freedom convoy” anti-vaccine-mandate protesters continues into its fourth full day today, Ottawa citizens are furious.

Naturally, they’re angry at the threatening behaviour of many of the protesters, thuggish tantrums thrown at young store clerks over masking rules, human excrement left on doorsteps, ambulances pelted with rocks, giant trucks racing through red lights, parked semi-cabs spewing diesel fumes night and day, all night drinking parties.

But they’re also fuming at their city government and police service, both of which seem to have washed their hands of the chaos, and a Conservative provincial government that is siding with the people who are making them miserable.

I asked a friend in Ottawa yesterday what it was like in our nation’s capital on Day 3 of mob rule.

“Things are bad here,” they responded. “They closed most stores, including liquor stores, so the mob is moving around more.”

Most people are avoiding going out – it’s a lockdown of sorts, they explained, except the contagion you have to avoid is not a virus, but a group of people who, I’m sorry to report, will always be associated with Western Canadians, and Albertans in particular.

The levels of government that have the most jurisdiction to act – the city and the province – are doing little. People feel there is no leadership from the mayor, who doesn’t plan to run again. Ontario Premier Doug Ford is dog-whistling his support for the protesters, my friend said. Bridges are closed.

“The people here are boiling mad.”

So this backs up what Ottawa City Councillor and mayoral candidate Catherine McKenney tweeted yesterday: “Illegal & disturbing activity continues throughout our residential neighborhoods. I’ve heard from 100s of residents who are tired & frightened at what they are experiencing in their neighbourhoods.”

Citizens like this one, no doubt, who asked: “@OttawaPolice not sure what your intent is but this lack of action is making people believe that they can get away with everything because they drive big trucks. Call in the army. Push back & treat them the way they are bullying and threatening the citizens. When is enough, enough?”

In other words, it feels a lot like this Beaverton joke: “The Ottawa Police Service issued a statement apologizing to the protesters that descended on the nation’s capital this past weekend for any trouble their presence may have caused to members of the convoy. ‘While it may seem from early reports that demonstrators were able to act with total impunity, we want to express our regret if any of our officers got in their way.’”

What does this have to do with that $9.5-million plum hanging out there on GoFundMe.com for all the world to see?

Well, what’s the first thing citizens do in a society where the rule of law prevails when they are faced, individually or collectively, with an intolerable situation?

They call a lawyer and they file a lawsuit, of course.

So let me make a not-so-bold prediction: Maybe the good citizens of Ottawa can’t fight City Hall, as the old expression goes. Maybe the cops are never around when you need them. Maybe there’s not much they can do about Mr. Ford until the next Ontario provincial election.

But, by God, that $9.5 million has a target on it.

So too, I would suggest, do some of the trucks that are causing problems on the residential streets of Ottawa. They shouldn’t be hard to track down once they skedaddle back to Alberta or wherever. After all, everybody has a cellphone with a high-quality camera on it nowadays.

I wouldn’t be surprised some sharp Ottawa lawyers are burning the midnight oil right now figuring out how they can get the GoFundMe permanently frozen and claim damages from it for a myriad of grievances.

And not just lawyers. Mathieu Fleury, another Ottawa City Councillor tweeted yesterday on his protected Twitter account that the city of Ottawa should go after the GoFundMe account to recover policing costs of more than $800,000 a day. “I have asked the city manager and city solicitor to immediately launch court proceedings targeting the millions of dollars in funds frozen by @GoFundMe so Ottawa taxpayers are not left holding the bag for these protests,” he said.

He won’t be the last.

So that’s my prediction. Even when the snow squalls that come to Ottawa every spring are gone, a blizzard of legal writs will be heading west against the prevailing winds, right in the direction of that GoFundMe jackpot.

Copycat blockade at Coutts ‘no longer lawful’

Speaking of trucker blockades, according to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the copycat critical infrastructure obstruction at Coutts, Alberta, is after three days “no longer lawful.”

According to the Canadian Press, the RCMP said “resources are in place to make arrests and tow away vehicles if they are unable to resolve the conflict in Coutts.” (Emphasis added.)

Actually, as the Mounties would not hesitate to do in other circumstances, making a few arrests and towing away a few vehicles is an effective way to resolve conflicts like the one near the U.S. border, which now threatens to disrupt supply chains to and from Alberta.

Needless to say, United Conservative Party MLAs who take part in such illegal activities deserve an opportunity to spend some time sitting as Independents in the Legislature as well.
 
I'd wager there is broad support for this in varying degrees. Some support removing mandates, some support Trudeau stepping down, almost everyone is sick and tired of the 2 years of restrictions, censorship, firings, division, and multiple jabs to flatten a curve that has yet to flatten.

Everyone is frustrated, but that frustration doesn't automatically translate into support for the protestors or their "goals".
 
Great minds think alike . . . fools . . . yada, yada . . .

This. And when we say people in the city are frustrated, the usual chorus says it’s all fake news and unsubstantiated opinion. Right…

Time to GTFO.
 
Broad dissatisfaction is a problem. The same factors that prompt people to mock the protestors make it difficult to address actual grievances (can't fix a problem if you can't find it). Because it's hard to identify specific things to fix, authorities can take the easy way out - shrug their shoulders and ignore it. So the dissatisfaction festers until the next round, when it returns, amplified and more unpleasant. The first round is the leaders of community X, the next round is the militants of community X.

Good news is that in this case the proximate causes of some of the dissatisfaction are already being drawn down.
 
So who does he meet? The leaders of this? King, Lich and Lichter? (Sounds like a trio of Dungeon and Dragons bad guys lol). And then who? Unity Canada? They gave a list of demands that shows either a fundamental misunderstanding of how our political system works or they are crazy.
Those are really good points. Yes who would he even meet? The protest is decentralized.

Seems like a missed opportunity to be the good guy and say "sure we'll meet and talk, who are your leaders on the ground?"
And when the meeting turns into a shit show they have the moral high ground of at least trying.

Refusing to engage with anyone will send some different messages though.

Some are going to pump their fist in support of Trudeau the brave refusing to negotiate with proverbial hostage takers (which is wrong, because we do).

Depending whether the protestors fizzle out or not people in Ottawa might start asking why the leader isn't trying to find a solution. Guess he's consigned it to a waiting game now. With $10M or so and climbing some might be inclined to stay longer and try to get in on some of that.

I don't buy the security detailing telling him no angle. I'm confident the RCMP can figure out how to set up a safe and secure meeting environment for the PM.
 
So has anyone got any pictures showing more than one Confederate flag or more than one swastika flag in the same shot? Any closeups of the people holding them? Any rants they were yelling or speeches they were giving? Any crowds of people gathered around yelling support for the flags? Just wondering if it was a manifest thing or just two, silent, fully masked and silent interlopers walking through the crowd.
 
Those are really good points. Yes who would he even meet? The protest is decentralized.

Seems like a missed opportunity to be the good guy and say "sure we'll meet and talk, who are your leaders on the ground?"
And when the meeting turns into a shit show they have the moral high ground of at least trying.

Refusing to engage with anyone will send some different messages though.

Some are going to pump their fist in support of Trudeau the brave refusing to negotiate with proverbial hostage takers (which is wrong, because we do).

Depending whether the protestors fizzle out or not people in Ottawa might start asking why the leader isn't trying to find a solution. Guess he's consigned it to a waiting game now. With $10M or so and climbing some might be inclined to stay longer and try to get in on some of that.

I don't buy the security detailing telling him no angle. I'm confident the RCMP can figure out how to set up a safe and secure meeting environment for the PM.
Are you still holding your breath? Ottawa is hard red territory. With exceptions, most will blame the truckers. Trudeau is their guru and spiritual guide. The Ravi Shankar to the Beatles of Ottawa.
 

Paramedics asked for police escorts over the weekend after at least two ambulances were pelted with rocks and protesters who appeared to be part of the truck convoy yelled racial slurs at one paramedic when he got out to check for damage.

Braver than me. Doors locked. Windows UP. FIDO.
 
Those are really good points. Yes who would he even meet? The protest is decentralized.

Seems like a missed opportunity to be the good guy and say "sure we'll meet and talk, who are your leaders on the ground?"
And when the meeting turns into a shit show they have the moral high ground of at least trying.

Refusing to engage with anyone will send some different messages though.

Some are going to pump their fist in support of Trudeau the brave refusing to negotiate with proverbial hostage takers (which is wrong, because we do).

Depending whether the protestors fizzle out or not people in Ottawa might start asking why the leader isn't trying to find a solution. Guess he's consigned it to a waiting game now. With $10M or so and climbing some might be inclined to stay longer and try to get in on some of that.

I don't buy the security detailing telling him no angle. I'm confident the RCMP can figure out how to set up a safe and secure meeting environment for the PM.
And that may have happened I don’t know.

Was an actual request to meet sent? And by whom? If it’s from the ones I mentioned then I don’t blame him for not giving that any oxygen. Or is just tweets and yelling from the street. His security detail quite likely would advise not to go anywhere near that crowd. Set up zone or meeting area sure but certainly not him wading into a hornets nest.

This group doesn’t speak for the CTA. The CTA has met with top officials. So I’m not sure what they want more other than the current demands they have.
 
This group doesn’t speak for the CTA.

They don't for any trucking organization.

Teamsters Canada, the Canadian Trucking Association, the Private Motor Truck Council of Canada, the Atlantic Provinces Trucking Association, the B.C. Trucking Association...
 
So has anyone got any pictures showing more than one Confederate flag or more than one swastika flag in the same shot? Any closeups of the people holding them? Any rants they were yelling or speeches they were giving? Any crowds of people gathered around yelling support for the flags? Just wondering if it was a manifest thing or just two, silent, fully masked and silent interlopers walking through the crowd.

Whatever of that bullshit was on display was enough. More would be worse than what is already pretty fuckin bad.

OPS is investigating hate crimes. That says enough to me.
 
Whatever of that bullshit was on display was enough. More would be worse than what is already pretty fuckin bad.

OPS is investigating hate crimes. That says enough to me.
I want to see how many there were of them or if the Canadian Press spent all of their time chasing two false flag guys and building mountains out of molehills. Thanks for your help.
 
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