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England Afraid to Fly the Union Jack?

muskrat89

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More lunacy


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3258613,00.html

England afraid to fly its own flag



Following threats by extremist Islamic group, several corporations, chain of pubs ban England flag
Modi Kreitman


Following warnings by extremist Islamic group al-Muhajiroun, in which the group said that the red cross in the England flag symbolizes the 'blood thirsty crusaders' and the occupation of Muslims, some of the largest companies in England have ordered their workers not to wave the flags.


The flag has recently appeared in England on everything from bikinis to cars, and sold in endless versions in stores.



But the Islamic protest forced some corporations, such as cable companies NTL, and even the Drivers and Vehicles Licensing Agency to ban the flag in every form due to fears from reactions of Muslims.


The Sun tabloid newspaper has in recent days launched a campaign to bring back the flag, and has published a blacklist of companies preventing their workers from expressing their patriotism at work.


The Sun said that a large pub network has banned drinkers from entering with symbols of the national team.


The hero of the day is a two year-old toddler, who was thrown out with his parents from Leicester, because he wore the England team's uniform.



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Only in Britian...
This is as bad when they were afraid to celebrate Christmas!
 

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The story is taken out of context. This is the actual story from the Sun Tabloid and it has no mention of threats, jihadists or terrorism:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006250446,00.html

Also, some interesting one about bad drivers:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2006180006-2006240030,,00.html

The YT News story have been taken completely out of context. I think it is absurd for the English not to fly their own flag !! whoever is making that decision is in my humble opinion an idiot!
 

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Dunno...

From the website that you cited:

Anjem Choudary, a former leader of the Islamic extremist group Al-Muhajiroun, claimed the St George flag symbolised a bloodthirsty past. He said: “The cross does represent Christianity and for Muslims it also represents a crusader history of occupation and murder.”

So it doesn't appear to be totally off-base
 

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sorry, I didn't go over that part. Still weird they'd do discourage holding a flag!!!
 

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And so....?  The crescent symbolizes the slaughter of thousands of unarmed christian pilgrims to the Holy Land, but I'm over it  ::).
 

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That's just it Kat.  We have risen from the ashes of those times and stepped forward with our lives.  They are still living in the Middle ages, with the codes of vendettas and revenge still making their mark on them......all for 'honour'?
 

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I also notice that when an earthquake knocks crap out of a muslim country, the Red Cross is not only tolerated, but welcomed..... anyone care to guess where THAT noble symbols roots lie?
 

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Kat Stevens said:
I also notice that when an earthquake knocks crap out of a muslim country, the Red Cross is not only tolerated, but welcomed..... anyone care to guess where THAT noble symbols roots lie?

It's the colour reverse of the Swiss flag.
The Swiss used a solid red flag until 1792, when they first added the white cross.

Source: Swiss Department of Foreign Affairs 
http://www.eda.admin.ch/canada_all/e/home/facts/flag.html

It was not until 1792 that a small white cross would feature in the upper corner
of the red battle flag of Schwyz. Canton Schwyz gave our country its name and
the red colour of its banner similarly influenced our national flag. However, the
cross on the Swiss flag does not come from Canton Schwyz.

A white cross
The first recorded use of a white cross on Confederate territory was at the Battle
of Laupen in 1339, when the people of the forest communities of Waldstätten came
to the aid of the Bernese and a common symbol was required for recognition.....
 
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I found the original article on which this is based. Nothing to do with Islamists at all:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006250637,,00.html
 

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Actually, it appears to be from a conglomeration of events...

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/10/04/britain.redcross/index.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006200805,00.html
 

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old medic said:
It's the colour reverse of the Swiss flag.
The Swiss used a solid red flag until 1792, when they first added the white cross.

Source: Swiss Department of Foreign Affairs 
http://www.eda.admin.ch/canada_all/e/home/facts/flag.html

The region of Schwyz in central Switzerland, one of the three founding members of the Old Swiss Confederacy, and the one, whose name was later in history used to denote the confederacy as a whole, was granted immediacy in 1240 and carried a red flag from the middle of the 13th century on (yet still without the white cross). In 1289 they supported King Rudolf of Habsburg in a war against Burgundy and received as a recognition the right to represent the crucifixion of Christ and the tools used to torture him in the upper right field on their flag. Originally they painted this symbol on parchment and fastened it on the banner. Only later the cross symbol was painted directly on the banner.


this from here: http://history-switzerland.geschichte-schweiz.ch/history-flag-switzerland.html

but thanks for playing, it was fun.  Next:

Doyle added that it was now time for England to find a new flag and a patron saint who is "not associated with our bloody past and one we can all identify with."

This one makes me want to puke.  Errr, Doyle's not an English name anyway, is it?  Should the Irish get rid of the shamrock?  After all it was used by St Fatprick as a symbol for the Holy Trinity.  It's a bloody disgrace that the nation that owned 1/3 of the land mass of this planet at one time is now kissing up to bunch of convicts.  Political correctnes can kiss my lilly white English arse.
 

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well whatever, I'll still fly it.  future Knights Templar member here  :)

Watch out Baker, otherwise the Pirates will rile Para-skeart-boy....

I would never have thought that I would see the stiff upper lip be slapped by the limp wrist of cowardice....

Raise the flags and be be proud, rule Britania!

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Kat Stevens said:
I also notice that when an earthquake knocks crap out of a muslim country, the Red Cross is not only tolerated, but welcomed..... anyone care to guess where THAT noble symbols roots lie?

if an aid society came to Canada in the wake of disaster and flew the Red Crescent, would we be ok with it?
 

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if an aid society came to Canada in the wake of disaster and flew the Red Crescent, would we be ok with it?

Of course we would,

I don't beleive anyone would be burning their tent down.

Give your head a shake.

dileas

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Crescent is not the islamic symbol during crusade wars...I believe black and green flags were the symbol. Byzantines are who used the crescent for the first time which later was adopted by Ottomon empire:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent

Anyway, I know for a fact the crescent wasn't a symbol nor a flag for Islam until that time. I believe different muslim regions used to carry different flag colors (e.g. iraq region were known for their black flags, the Sham region (syria,lebanon,jordan,palestine) had the green or the red flag.

This is nice article on crusade time that looks at both sides:

http://www.doaks.org/Crusades/CR03.pdf
 
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