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DND halts millions in benefits

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What, and ruin a perfectly good thread with the facts?  Are you mad?
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This thread could become a whole exercise program all by itself, what with a the jumping to conclusions and such..... :nod:
 

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No problem, when the CANFOGEN gets released, all speculation and net-rage in this thread goes away to die.  And everyone can start over with the baseline set of facts.
 

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Will the CANFORGEN be posted? There are some of us that don't ever receive them and if it has anything to do with LTA and whatnot it might affect us (including me haha).
 
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Hello, I just saw this video today and was wondering if this will have any sort of effect on new people applying to the Forces. Do you think they will be taking less recruits or anything else?

If you don't know what I am talking about, here is the video:

http://en.video.sympatico.ca/index.php/en/video/news/2/latest-headlines/4/canada/16/dnd-halts-millions-in-benefits/773822507001

Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere. I used the search tool and there weren't any results.
 

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derekrobitaille said:
Hello, I just saw this video today and was wondering if this will have any sort of effect on new people applying to the Forces. Do you think they will be taking less recruits or anything else?

If you don't know what I am talking about, here is the video:

http://en.video.sympatico.ca/index.php/en/video/news/2/latest-headlines/4/canada/16/dnd-halts-millions-in-benefits/773822507001

Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere. I used the search tool and there weren't any results.

Who knows. Let's try sort through the immediate problems that will be facing serving members before we worry if this will have an impact on whether Johnny can join the infantry.

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Ref: http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/99003.25.html

Here is the CANFORGEN that is applicable to this thread, could you please post the CANFORGEN, and then with a suitable delay afterwords open the thread back up.  I have to split by Official Languages.

DIN Link: http://msg-server.halifax.mil.ca/messages/canforgen/2011033000095.html


--CANFORGEN start English---
RAAUZYUW RCCPJAW4003 0330400-UUUU--RCEMDUS RCEMEYS RCEMFWS RCEMFXA
RCEMGBS RCEMHNS RCEMHZS RCEMIBS RCEMKDS RCEMLES RCEMMIS RCEMNGS
RCEMPDS RCEMRKS RCEMTOS RCEMWCS RCEMWFS RCEMWMS RCEMWNS RCEMWRS
RCEMWWA RCEMWYA RCEMZZA RCEOCEA RCEONWA RCEOPRA.
ZNR UUUUU ZOC
RIFTST T NCISS LATINA
RIFD T NADEFCOL
RGFLID T NSS OBERAMMERGAU
RXCAFDA T CA NLR HQ SACT
RXFEAA T CFSU E DET NAPLES
RXDBON T HQ MC NORTHWOOD
RXFKI T CFSU E DET BRUNSSUM
RXFKBA T CFSU E DET RAMSTEIN
RXFEAA T JFCHQ NSE CA NAPLES
RAYASAP T CANSTANDREP CANBERRA
R 012359Z FEB 11
FM NDHQ VCDS OTTAWA
TO CANFORGEN
BT
UNCLAS CANFORGEN 022/11 VCDS 003/11
SIC WAS
SECTION 1 OF 2
SUBJ: COMPENSATION AND BENEFIT ADMINISTRATION
REFS: A. CANFORGEN 019/05
B. CANFORGEN 145/05
C. CFIRP 2009
D. DOMESTIC BENEFIT AIDE MIMOIRE
E. CANFORGEN 124/06
1. A REVIEW OF COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS ENTITLEMENTS HAS IDENTIFIED
AREAS WHERE THE CANADIAN FORCES HAVE DEVIATED FROM THE TREASURY BOARD
(TB) APPROVED COMPENSATION AND BENEFIT FRAMEWORK FOR CERTAIN CF
PERSONNEL AND NEXT OF KIN (NOK). ACCORDINGLY, AS NEAR TERM
EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY CONFIRMATION IS SOUGHT, AND TO ENSURE THAT
PAYMENTS ARE PROPERLY AUTHORIZED BY TB, THE PAYMENT OF SOME BENEFITS
MUST BE SUSPENDED. INVESTIGATIVE ACTIONS HAVE BEEN INITIATED. THE



PAGE 2 RCCPJAW4003 UNCLAS CANFORGEN 022/11 VCDS 003/11
PRIMARY CONCERN IS TO AVOID FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO OUR MEMBERS AND
THEIR FAMILIES. WE INTEND TO HAVE A RESOLUTION TO THIS SITUATION AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE.
2. UNTIL THIS SITUATION IS CLARIFIED, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY PAYMENTS
OF BENEFITS SHALL BE ADMINISTERED IAW EXISTING APPLICABLE TB APPROVED
POLICIES AS INDICATED BELOW:
A. SEPARATION EXPENSE: IAW COMPENSATION AND BENEFIT INSTRUCTIONS
(CBI) 209.997, THIS BENEFIT IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO REGULAR FORCE AND
RESERVE FORCE ON CLASS C SERVICE. THIS WILL AFFECT APPROXIMATELY 1500
REGULAR FORCE AND CLASS C RESERVISTS WHO WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CLAIM
FOR FURNITURE RENTAL, CONNECTION FEES, LEASE LIABILITIES AND INTERIM
LODGING AND MEALS (ON RETURN FROM ATTACHED POSTING OR EXTENDED TD).
SE CLAIMS FOR ITEMS PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE CBI WILL STILL BE PROCESSED
BUT MEMBERS SHOULD NOTE THAT THE RATES RECEIVED FOR BOTH COMMERCIAL
AND NON COMMERCIAL ACCOMODATIONS COULD BE AFFECTED. IAW CBI 209.997,
THE AUTHORITY FOR IR RESTS WITH THE LOCAL BASE/WING COMMANDER AND NOT
THE CAREER MANAGERS. AS SUCH, REF A IS HEREBY RESCINDED. CLASS B
RESERVISTS WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO CLAIM SEPARATION EXPENSE. AS
SUCH, REF B, WHICH HAD PROVIDED CLASS B SEPARATION EXPENSE BENEFIT IS
HEREBY RESCINDED,



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B. TRANSPORTATION ON LEAVE: IAW CBI 209.50 FOR DOMESTIC PURPOSES AND
IAW MILITARY FOREIGN SERVICE INSTRUCTIONS (MFSI) FOR OPERATIONS
OUTSIDE CANADA. FOR DOMESTIC LEAVE TRAVEL ASSISTANCE (LTA) CF MEMBERS
ARE ONLY ENTITLED TO CLAIM EXPENSES TO RETURN TO THEIR HOME. THIS
BENEFIT DOES NOT INCLUDE AN ENTITLEMENT FOR REVERSE OR THIRD LOCATION
LTA. THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO MEMBERS ON OPERATIONAL DEPLOYMENT
OVERSEAS WHO ARE COVERED UNDER THE MFSI,
C. REIMBURSEMENT FOR STORAGE OF PERSONAL MOTOR VEHICLE (PMV): IAW CBI
209.834, ALL PERS ON ATTACHED POSTING OUTSIDE CANADA WILL NO LONGER
BE ABLE TO CLAIM THIS BENEFIT,
D. NEXT OF KIN (NOK) TRAVEL: IAW CBI 209.993, 209.9931 AND 210.225,
THIS PROVIDES AUTHORITY FOR NOK OR FAMILY REPRESENTATIVES TO TRAVEL
TO THE LOCATION WHERE AN ILL OR INJURED MEMBER IS BEING HOSPITALIZED
AND TO AND FROM THE PLACE OF BURIAL. TRAVEL TO REPATRIATION
CEREMONIES AND NOK THEATRE VISITS WILL BE FUNDED FROM NON PUBLIC
FUNDS ON AN INTERIM BASIS AND WILL CONTINUE. THE USE OF THE
CONTINGENCY FUND BY DCSM SHALL CEASE IMMEDIATELY.
E. COMPASSIONATE TRAVEL ASSISTANCE: IAW CBI 209.51, THIS BENEFIT ONLY
APPLIES TO REGULAR FORCE MEMBERS AND TO RESERVE FORCE MEMBERS, WHO
HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED TO MOVE THEIR FURNITURE AND EFFECTS AT PUBLIC



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EXPENSE, AND
F. POSTING ALLOWANCE ON RELEASE FROM OUTSIDE CANADA OR PROHIBITED
POSTING (THAT IS, POSTING WHERE THE MOVEMENT OF DEPENDENTS AND/OR
HOUSEHOLD GOODS IS PROHIBITED): IAW WITH CBI 205.42 VICE REF C. THIS
BENEFIT BEING PAID IAW REF C IS TO CEASE IMMEDIATELY.
3. THE FOLLOWING BENEFITS WHICH ARE CURRENTLY BEING ADMINISTERED IAW
REF D ARE TO CEASE IMMEDIATELY:
A. TD BENEFITS WHICH REIMBURSE TRAVEL, ACCOMMODATION AND MEAL
EXPENSES FOR HONORARY APPOINTMENTS AND RANKS WHEN TRAVELLING ON CF
BUSINESS,
B. REIMBURSEMENT FOR CUSTODIAL EXPENSE (COSTS TO MAINTAIN A VACANT
RESIDENCE) FOR ALL PERS ATTACHED POSTED OUTSIDE CANADA AND ON
PROHIBITED POSTING INSIDE AND OUTSIDE CANADA, AND
C. TD BENEFITS FOR ALL PERS ON ATTACH POSTING (CF MEMBERS ARE NO
LONGER CONSIDERED TO BE ON TRAVEL STATUS DURING THE DURATION OF THE
ATTACH POSTING EXCEPT FOR TRAVEL TO AND FROM THEIR HOME UNIT). REF E
IS HEREBY RESCINDED.
4. I HAVE GIVEN A GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF THE TYPES OF BENEFITS THAT
NEED TO BE CLARIFIED AND WHO WILL BE AFFECTED. DETAILED DIRECTION FOR
ALL CF ESTABLISHMENTS (ORDERLY ROOMS, CASHIERS, ETC.) ON HOW TO



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ADMINISTER THESE ISSUES WILL BE PROVIDED UNDER A SEPARATE AIG
MESSAGE. MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS CONCERNING ANY OF THESE BENEFITS
SHOULD CONSULT WITH THEIR UNIT OR.
5. IT IS ACKNOWLDEGED THAT THIS SITUATION MAY RESULT IN AN ELEMENT OF
FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO CF MEMBERS. IN THE EVENT THAT THIS DIRECTION
RESULTS IN UNDUE FINANCIAL STRESS, CF MEMBERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO SEEK
FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE THRU THEIR RESPECTIVE BASES AND WINGS AND LOCAL
SISIP FINANCIAL ADVISORS. NEVERTHELESS WE MUST PUT OUR HOUSE IN
ORDER. THE INTENT IS TO SEEK CLEAR AUTHORITY FOR THESE BENEFITS AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE. IN DOING SO,I REMAIN COMMITTED TO ENSURING THAT CF
PERSONNEL HAVE ACCESS TO BENEFITS AND ALLOWANCES THAT ARE REASONABLE,
EQUITABLE AND ARE REFLECTIVE OF CONTEMPORARY BENEFIT STANDARDS. I
WILL PROVIDE UPDATES ON THESE ISSUES AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE.
END OF ENGLISH TEXT


 

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---CANFORGEN pt 2 start ---
/DEBUT DU TEXTE FRANCAIS
OBJ: ADMINISTRATION DE LA REMUNERATION ET DES AVANTAGES SOCIAUX
REF: A. CANFORGEN 019/05
B. CANFORGEN 145/05
C. PRIFC 2009
D. AIDE MIMOIRE SUR LES AVANTAGES SOCIAUX A L INTERIEUR DU PAYS
E. CANFORGEN 124/06



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1. UN EXAMEN DES INDEMNITES DE LA REMUNERATION ET DES AVANTAGES
SOCIAUX A REVELE DES DOMAINES OU LES FORCES CANADIENNES ONT DEVIE DES
COMPENSATIONS APPROUVEES PAR LE CONSEIL DU TRESOR (CT) POUR LES
MEMBRES DES FC ET LES PLUS PROCHE PARENT (PPP). PAR CONSEQUENT,
PENDANT QUE L ON CHERCHE A OBTENIR LA CONFIRMATION DES AUTORISATIONS
A MOYEN TERME ET POUR ASSURER QUES LES PAYMENTS SONT DUMENT AUTORISES
PAR LE CT, IL FAUT INTERROMPRE LE VERSEMENT DE CERTAINES INDEMNITES. 
UNE INVESTIGATION A ETE INITIEE. L OBJECTIF EST D EVITER DES
DIFFICULTEES FINANCIERS AUX MEMBRES DES FC ET LEURS FAMILLE. UNE
RESOLUTION DE CETTE SITUATION EST ATTENDUE DANS LES PLUS BREF DELAIS.
2. D ICI A CE QUE LA SITUATION SOIT CLARIFIEE, A COMPTER DE
MAINTENANT IL FAUT ADMINISTRER LE VERSEMENT DES INDEMNITES
CONFORMEMENT A LA POLITIQUE APPROUVEE PAR LE CT TELLE QU ELLE EST
INDIQUEE CI APRES:
A. FRAIS D ABSENCE DU FOYER: CONF A LA DIRECTIVES SUR LA REMUNERATION
ET LES AVANTAGES SOCIAUX (DRAS) 209.997, CETTE INDEMNITE S APPLIQUE
QU AUX MEMBRES DE LA FORCE REGULIERE ET DE LA RESERVE EN CLASSE C.
CECI AFFECTERA ENVIRON 1500 MEMBRES DE LA FORCE REGULIERE ET DE LA
RESERVE EN CLASSE C QUI SERONT INCAPABLE DE SOUMETTRE DES DEMANDES DE
REMBOURSEMENT POUR LA LOCATION DE MEUBLES, FRAIS DE CONNECTION, BRIS

UNCLAS CANFORGEN 022/11 VCDS 003/11
SIC WAS
FINAL SECTION OF 2
DE BAIL ET LOGEMENT PROVISOIRE ET LES REPAS (LORS DU RETOUR D UNE
AFFECTATION TEMPORAIRE OU D UN ST PROLONGE). LES RECLAMATIONS DES
FAF, POUR LES DEPENSES PERMISES MENTIONNE DANS LA DRAS, CONTINUERONS
D ETRE TRAITES MAIS LES MEMBRES DOIVENT NOTES QUE LE TAUX RECU POUR
LES FRAIS DE LOGEMENT COMMERCIAL ET NON COMMERCIAL POURRAIT EGALEMENT
ETRE AFFECTE. CONF A LA DRAS 209.997, LE POUVOIR D AUTORISE UNE
RESTRICTION IMPOSEE DEMEURE LE COMMANDANT DE LA BASE OU DE L ESCADRE
DE L UNITE BENEFICIAIRE ET NON LE GERANT DE CARRIERE. DE CE FAIT, LA
REF A EST ANNULEE. POUR LES RESERVISTES DE CLASSE B, IL N EXISTE
AUCUNE AUTORITE FINANCIERE POUR CET INDEMNITE. DE CE FAIT, LA REF B
CONCERNANT LES INDEMNITES ACCORDEES A LA CLASSE B EST PAR LA PRESENTE
ANNULEE,
B. DEPLACEMENTS EN CONGE: CONF A LA DRAS 209.50 POUR CE QUI CONCERNE



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LE CANADA ET CONF AUX DIRECTIVES SUR LE SERVICE MILITAIRE A L
ETRANGER (DSME) POUR LES OPERATIONS A L ETRANGER. EN CE QUI REGARDE L
AIDE AU DEPLACEMENT EN CONGE (ADC) AU CANADA, LES MEMBRES DES FC N
ONT DROIT AU REMBOURSEMENT QUE DES FRAIS DE DEPLACEMENT POUR
RETOURNER A LEUR DOMICILE. CETTE INDEMNITE EXCLUT UN ADC RENVERSEE OU
UN ADC A UN LIEU TIERS. CECI S APPLIQUE PAS AUX MEMBRES DES FC EN
OPERATION A L ETRANGER,
C. ENTREPOSAGE D UN VEHICULE PERSONNEL (VP): CONF A LA DRAS 209.834,
POUR TOUS LES MEMBRES DU PERS EN AFFECTATION TEMPORAIRE A L ETRANGER
QUI RECOIVENT PRECENTEMENT L INDEMNITE, CETTE INDEMNITE DOIT PRENDRE
FIN IMMEDIATEMENT,
D. DEPLACEMENT DES PLUS PROCHES PARENTS (PPP): CONF AUX DRAS 209.993,
209.9931 ET 210.225, CECI AUTORISE LE PPP OU LES REPRESENTANTS DE LA
FAMILLE DE SE RENDRE AU LIEU OU LE MEMBRE DES FC MALADE OU BLESSE A
ETE HOSPITALISE ET VERS OU A PARTIR DU LIEU DES FUNERAILLES. LES
VOYAGES POUR ASSISTER AUX CEREMONIES DE RAPATRIEMENT ET LES VISITES
DES PPP EN THEATRE SERA FINANCE PAR LES FONDS NON PUBLICS DE FACON
PROVISOIRE ET VA CONTINUER. L UTILISATION DES FONDS DE PREVOYANCE 
PAR LE D GEST SB DOIT CESSER IMMEDIATEMENT,
E. AIDE AU TRANSPORT POUR RAISONS PERSONNELLES OU DE FAMILLE: CONF A



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LA DRAS 209.51, CETTE INDEMNITE NE S APPLIQUE QU AUX MEMBRES DES FC
AYANT ETE AUTORISES A DEMENAGER LEURS MEUBLES ET EFFETS PERSONNELS
AUX FRAIS DE L ETAT, ET
F. INDEMNITE D AFFECTATION AU MOMENT DE LA LIBERATION EN DEHORS DU
CANADA OU DE LA MUTATION SOUS RESERVE (CECI EST, UNE MUTATION OU LE
DEMENAGEMENT DES PERSONNES A CHARGES ET/OU DES ARTICLES MENAGERS EST
INTERDIT): CONF A LA DRAS 205.42 PLUTOT QUE LA REF C. LE PAYMENT DE L
INDEMNITE CONF A LA REF C DOIT PRENDRE FIN IMMEDIATEMENT.
3. LES INDEMNITES CI-APRES QUI SONT ADMINISTREES CONF A LA REF D,
SANS AUTORISATION DE DEPENSER, DOIVENT CESSER IMMEDIATEMENT:
A. INDEMNITE DE SERVICE TEMPORAIRE AFIN DE REMBOURSER LES DEPENSES DE
VOYAGES, LOGEMENT ET REPAS POUR LES TITULAIRES DE NOMINATIONS ET DE
GRADES HONORAIRES LORSQU ILS VOYAGENT POUR LES FC,
B. REMBOURSEMENT POUR LES FRAIS D ENTRETIEN (DEPENSES POUR MAINTENINR
UNE RESIDENCE INNOCCUPEE) POUR TOUS LES EFFECTIFS EN AFFECTATION
TEMPORAIRE EN DEHORS DU CANADA OU EN MUTATION SOUS RESERVE AU CANADA
OU A L ETRANGER, ET
C. INDEMNITE DE SERVICE TEMPORAIRE POUR TOUS LES MEMBRES DU PERS EN
AFFECTATION TEMPORAIRE (LES MEMBRES DES FC NE SONT PAS CONSIDERER
ETRE EN DEPLACEMENT DURANT UNE PERIODE D AFFECTATION TEMPORAIRE A L



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EXCEPTION DU VOYAGE POUR SE RENDRE OU REVENIR A LEUR UNITE D
APPARTENANCE). LA REF E EST ANNULEE.
4. J AI DONNE UNE DESCRIPTION GENERALE DES TYPES D INDEMNITES QUI
DOIVENT ETRE MODIFIEES ET QUI SERONT TOUCHES. DES DIRECTIVES
DETAILLEES POUR TOUS LES ETABLISSEMENTS DES FC (SALLE DES RAPPORTS,
DES CAISSIERS, ETC) SUR LA FACON D ADMINISTRER CES BENEFICES SERONT
FOURNIS DANS UN MESSAGE AIG DISTINCT. LES MEMBRES QUI ONT DES
QUESTIONS CONCERNANT N IMPORTE QUEL DE CES BENEFICES DOIVENT
CONSULTER LEUR SALLE DES RAPPORTS.
5. IL EST ENTENDU QUE CETTE SITUATION POURRAIT CAUSER CERTAINES
DIFFICULTES FINANCIERES AUX MEMBRES DES FC QUI RECOIVENT DEJA CES
INDEMNITES. SI LA PRESENTE DIRECTIVE CAUSE DES TENSIONS FINANCIERES
INDUES, ON ENCOURAGE LES MEMBRES DES FC A DEMANDER UNE AIDE
FINANCIERE PAR L ENTREMISE DE LEUR BASE OU ESCADRE RESPECTIVE OU DE
LEUR CONSEILLER FINANCIER DU RARM. NEANMOINS, NOUS DEVONS REMETTRE DE
L ORDRE DANS NOS AFFAIRES. L INTENTION EST DE RECHERCHER L
AUTORISATION POUS LES INDEMINITES DANS LES PLUS BREF DELAIS. JE
DEMEURE RESOLU A FAIRE EN SORTE QUE LES EFFECTIFS DES FC BENEFICIENT
D INDEMNITES APPROUVES QUI SONT A LA FOIS RAISONNABLES ET EQUITABLES,
ET QUI REFLETENT LES NORMES DE PRESTATION CONTEMPORAIN. JE VOUS



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TIENDRAI AU COURANT A MESURE QUE LA SITUATION EVOLUERA.
BT
#4003
FBR034 DELIVERED 0330400


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Freeze may halt families' visit to Kandahar
Steve Rennie, The Canadian Press, 2 Feb 11
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The Canadian military says a planned visit this spring to Kandahar Airfield for families of fallen soldiers is up in the air.

A spokeswoman for Task Force Kandahar, Capt. Annie Djiotsa, says a trip this month will still happen — but it is not yet clear if there will be another trip in March.

"We can confirm that that trip is still going to happen," Djiotsa said Wednesday, referring to this month's visit.

"We do not know yet if there will be any impact on any following next-of-kin visits to Afghanistan."


The March trip is believed to be the last time the military will fly the families of fallen soldiers to Kandahar.

In recent years, the Canadian Forces has flown families of soldiers to Kandahar Airfield so they can see where their loved ones fought and lived and died.

Etched into a memorial in the base's Canadian compound are the images of the 154 soldiers, two aid workers, a journalist and a diplomat who have died as part of the Afghan mission.

Those flights were not clearly defined in spending guidelines.

But the military suspended the practice this week after the Defence Department discovered it has been paying out millions of dollars in benefits without proper authorization.

(....)

Officials at Kandahar Airfield are not aware of any Canadian soldiers serving in Afghanistan who have been affected the by spending freeze, Djiotsa said.

"We are not aware of any member being affected at this point," she said. "We await further guidance."

A spokesman for Defence Minister Peter MacKay says the department will continue transporting next of kin to repatriation ceremonies until the accounting rules are cleared up.

"Any next of kin travel or transport to repatriation ceremonies will be covered by DND during the period that the CF works this out," said Jay Paxton.
 

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I just read the CANFORGEN and am having a hard time understanding it.  I noticed a reference to IR in the msg...

Based on that msg, is IR still an option?
 

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ltmaverick25 said:
I just read the CANFORGEN and am having a hard time understanding it.  I noticed a reference to IR in the msg...

Based on that msg, is IR still an option?

This line:

THE AUTHORITY FOR IR RESTS WITH THE LOCAL BASE/WING COMMANDER AND NOT
THE CAREER MANAGERS. AS SUCH, REF A IS HEREBY RESCINDED.

may lead to an interpretation that while IR will still be an option, it may be at the expense of the gaining base/unit to fund. That would certainly change how often it may be approved, and may lead to a dependence on available R&Q as a factor.


 

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The mention to TD benefits no longer applying to people on attach posting. Does this affect reservists who were put on Class C and sent to Petawawa for 9 months for pre-training? We collected TD. Does that fall under that category? If so, what is the statute of limitations on this sort of things... am I liable to have to pay anything back if they so decide to claw money back?
 

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Junius said:
If so, what is the statute of limitations on this sort of things... am I liable to have to pay anything back if they so decide to claw money back?

That is the question that everyone is now waiting to see answered officially.
 

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Junius said:
The mention to TD benefits no longer applying to people on attach posting. Does this affect reservists who were put on Class C and sent to Petawawa for 9 months for pre-training? We collected TD. Does that fall under that category? If so, what is the statute of limitations on this sort of things... am I liable to have to pay anything back if they so decide to claw money back?

It is all in the details.  Were you "Attach Posted" or only on "TD"?  What does your msg say?
 

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To answer that last point, as CBC reported last night and this morning, the government has let it be known they will not be seeking cash back from some soldiers who have already received a benefit.
Having said that, if you are receiving one of the benefits in question, you won't be any more, according to the Vice Chief (at least until it's all sorted out with Treasury Board approval).



 

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At the press confrence, VAdm Donaldson said:

"I can say that we’re going forward to look for retroactive authority and authority going forward.  The members of the Canadian Forces aren’t going to see a difference in their pay cheques, but what they will see is that they won’t be able to process claims for specific things for which they would normally have been reimbursed until we’ve sorted this out."


In other words, DND/CF is trying to get these things approved in arrears, for the past and future.  However, it is possible that retroactive approval will not be granted.
 

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Oooh.  I just realized, that's going to hurt a lot of people who were on Op Podium.

So, what happens if one is attach posted and housed in a hotel WITHOUT kitchen facilities?

I know, wrt a situation like Podium, everyone (or at least a great portion) was given TD rates, even though they were AT, even if they had access to mess services.

May I please just state how happy I am NOT to be a Log Officer or clerk right now.
 

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Strike said:
Oooh.  I just realized, that's going to hurt a lot of people who were on Op Podium.

So, what happens if one is attach posted and housed in a hotel WITHOUT kitchen facilities?

I know, wrt a situation like Podium, everyone (or at least a great portion) was given TD rates, even though they were AT, even if they had access to mess services.

May I please just state how happy I am NOT to be a Log Officer or clerk right now.
The CF is not going after past payments, current payments will cease and the CF will work to get their policy in line with the folks (in my opinion) who really decide how much we are paid, Treasury Board.  ;D
 

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FSTO said:
The CF is not going after past payments, current payments will cease and the CF will work to get their policy in line with the folks (in my opinion) who really decide how much we are paid, Treasury Board.  ;D


Indeed, DND and the CF can make recommendations, but it is and always has been Treasury Board with the final say.  The CDS has input, but not decision making authority.  As the National Defence Act states:

Regulations
Power of Governor in Council to make regulations

12. (1) The Governor in Council may make regulations for the organization, training, discipline, efficiency, administration and good government of the Canadian Forces and generally for carrying the purposes and provisions of this Act into effect.
Minister’s power to make regulations

(2) Subject to section 13 and any regulations made by the Governor in Council, the Minister may make regulations for the organization, training, discipline, efficiency, administration and good government of the Canadian Forces and generally for carrying the purposes and provisions of this Act into effect.

Treasury Board’s power to make regulations

(3) The Treasury Board may make regulations

(a) prescribing the rates and conditions of issue of pay of military judges;
(b) prescribing the forfeitures and deductions to which the pay and allowances of officers and non-commissioned members are subject; and
(c) providing for any matter concerning the pay, allowances and reimbursement of expenses of officers and non-commissioned members for which the Treasury Board considers regulations are necessary or desirable to carry out the purposes or provisions of this Act.
R.S., 1985, c. N-5, s. 12; R.S., 1985, c. 31 (1st Supp.), s. 60; 1998, c. 35, s. 4.
 

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Towards_the_gap said:
That horrible, keening, screeching sound I hear is the IR gravy train coming to a juddering halt......

Anyone who is making money on IR is living like a pauper or committing fraud, IMHO.  Only a percentage of the meal rate is covered, rent is returned dollar for dollar and you get separation pay.  Now, if you were unlucky enough not to get long distance, cable (or satellite TV) and internet in your rent, you're paying for those, along with what you're already paying for at your primary place of residence.  Also, if you're far anough away, you only get one (potentially) paid trip home per year.  If you're too close, you get zilch. 

I won't even get into wear and tear on my vehicle or paid vs. free parking at work, depending on location.
 

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The current benefit cessation puzzles me in a number of ways.  In the interest of disclosure I am impacted significantly as I rent furniture on IR IAW the CBI, and now am either sleeping on the floor, or paying out of pocket for my furniture rental. 

This seems less like a money saving exercise, or an efficiency effort, and more like someone in TB got their nose out of joint and exercised their power.  Some of the items are cost neutral and have absolutely no financial impact to the crown. 

Most, if not all of the members who are impacted followed the rules and guidelines of the CBI, and or CANFORGEN's, and in good faith engaged in an agreement with the CF for the storage of their car, furniture rental etc.  To suggest that no CF member will have their salaries impacted is disingenuous at best.

At least I can go to my local SISIP Financial Adviser.
 
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