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Tomydoom26, 849 deaths in 1.42 M cases in Canada= 1.8% fatality rate. It's based on number of infections, not number of people in a country. It's obviously non-fatal with zero side effects for people who haven't been infected, which is why social distancing, masks, improved ventilation etc slowed down the case numbers (and daily death rate).
In the initial phases some countries had a fatality rate as high as 6-10% of known cases, but that's because their hospitals were overrun so the number of non-critical cases weren't included, inflating the death rate. The delta variant also seems to be more virulent, and no guarantee other variations won't have other side effects. Takes about six-eight weeks total from first shot to two weeks after the last shot before you are fully covered, so if you change your mind later there is a big lag before you're covered.
Long COVID rates are estimated, but not as well understood, but it's significant enough that it's being studied. Even people who weren't hospitalized have had permanent damage to their lungs and heart, and that includes younger people than yourself.
No issue with people refusing the vaccine, just pisses me off when people quote/spread misinformation, manipulate facts, and otherwise talk out their arse. That's not making an educated choice (and actively promoting willful ignorance), but you'll still have to live with whatever consequences that come with that choice, so fill your boots if you want to take the word of random internet experts over legions of experienced immunoligists, epidomologists and other medical folks that have dedicated their lives to keeping people healthy.
Given this thread is on disobeying a perceived illegal order, here is my scenario.
Ontario health determines we can't reach herd immunity unless we vaccinate the 12 and under crowd this will ensure 90% of all people are vaccinated. The emergency order that is in effect now is the same emergency order in effect for this scenario.
The CDS orders CAF personal to cordon off every city with a population higher than 100,000 people. No traffic is allowed out, unless they can prove every member in the car is vaccinated. Once the cordons are operational they announce a lockdown. Public health, with the support of local police and CAF personal, will go door to door vaccinate every citizen regardless of age. People that don't comply are either arrested or given a summary offence ticket. This continues until every home has had a visit.
Would the CAF comply, or would this get snuffed out at the higher levels?
A lot of people felt the virus had reached the ROW by even Sept of 2019 and that the Chinese were suppressing information on it far earlier than first realized.Back in late 2020 Stanford University found that COVID-19 had spread far more widely than originally reported. In fact 50-85 times more than the confirmed number of cases. This was in the news very briefly. Stanford was rebuked for this and it became difficult to find the report and it's data online. Stanford's findings suggested the virus though highly contagious was/is far less deadly than was being reported.
I am still 100% positive I got it back in January 2020,,,,never so sick in my life for 2 days. While I was lying on a mat and a pillow beside the bathtub for day one [in case i puked, knew I couldn't walk to toilet] I remember thinking if there was a magic button here that said "feel better right now but take a year off of your life" I'd have smacked it down in a micro-second. Still would just thinking about how I felt......A lot of people felt the virus had reached the ROW by even Sept of 2019 and that the Chinese were suppressing information on it far earlier than first realized.
If anything the news of late suggests that a lot of COVID deaths where under represented - due to poor reporting of Nursing Home or Assisted Living Facilities not reporting correctly (or at all).Sure.
How many 9-1-1 cardiac arrests, pronounced DOA at home, and therefore never transported to hospital, have actually been listed as Covid related?
Not surprised to read that. If you don't mind me asking, by how much of a decline?
I read that total U.S. deaths in the war was 405,000. ( 291,557 in combat - 113,842 "other". )
630,813 U.S. Covid deaths as of Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 06:00 AM EDT.
I was in a similar boat at the same time including everyone I was immediately connected to, family, work colleagues, etc. For me it lasted about 3 weeks, pretty bad lung infection, no puking or stomach issues though.I am still 100% positive I got it back in January 2020,,,,never so sick in my life for 2 days. While I was lying on a mat and a pillow beside the bathtub for day one [in case i puked, knew I couldn't walk to toilet] I remember thinking if there was a magic button here that said "feel better right now but take a year off of your life" I'd have smacked it down in a micro-second. Still would just thinking about how I felt......
Never did puke,.....just felt so horrible I figured it was going to happen. Anyway, it could explain how, months later, I spent a 12 hour dayshift in a small control room with a guy who ended up in the hospital that night for 4 days and I didn't even test positive.I was in a similar boat at the same time including everyone I was immediately connected to, family, work colleagues, etc. For me it lasted about 3 weeks, pretty bad lung infection, no puking or stomach issues though.
no need too put a timer on It, just look at all the censoring of prominent doctors,should open the eyes of most logical people,and the banning of alternative medsI'm willing to set the timer if you are. Seeing as none of the vaccines have been around that long, I'm betting you have no empirical basis for your position.
look at Israel the vaccinated are getting sick and dyeing, the vaccine does not workTomydoom
I'm not complaining about health measures and I have followed them. I don't have a problem with people's personal choice, I'm vaccinated. If the military mandates this vaccine, then there will be 10,000-15,000 members that have to make a tough decision and the leadership may not be happy with the numbers. (Maybe it is closer to 5,000 after seeing the empty positions posted in another thread).
Now to the point I was trying to make. We were testing asymptomatic people because apparently they can spread the virus. We were encouraging people to test without symptoms and if they came back positive they were grounded for the 14 days. The number of people that would not go and get tested without symptoms is going to be high. The main reason being they don't have sick days to cover them off if they come back positive.
We don't have a picture of confirmed spread. So by going by the number of confirmed cases is spreading misinformation. You are not doing it nefariously or to be misleading, but nonetheless it is misinformation IMHO.
Without the public health orders, the number of deaths would've been higher. I just don't think it would be much higher than double.
If we look at India they had a 1.3% death rate for confirmed cases and it is 0.03% if you look at the total population. I think the effect is fairly linear and consistent across the world population. I got this number from the Google tracker 426,000 deaths and 32,000,000 cases. I also believe they ran out of testing capability so the case count could be higher, but I haven't confirmed that memory yet.