CMMA - replacing the CP140 Aurora

[Good2Golf]

It was sarcasm

Although with the Canadian Government you never know… 🤔

 

[Quirky]

The P8 will be a nice pipeline for pilots and techs to transfer into WJ, AC or any other airline that operates the 737.

 

[kev994]

The P8 will be a nice pipeline for pilots and techs to transfer into WJ, AC or any other airline that operates the 737.

Those guys don’t care about time on type, at least for the pilots. They train everyone from scratch anyway. They’re more than happy to take someone with any military time. For a small operator that’s concerned about the cost of the type rating it would matter.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Bombardier’s president and CEO, Éric Martel, released a statement in late December 2022 expressing concern over reports that Canada is considering awarding a sole-source contract to U.S. aerospace giant Boeing for the Canadian Multi-Mission Aircraft (CMMA) project.

Martel noted that if a CMMA tender were to be open to “diverse proposals,” it would offer Canada the opportunity to “rethink its surveillance capabilities.”

Bombardier CEO calls for Canadian Multi-Mission Aircraft tender to consider ‘Canadian-built option’ - Skies Mag

Bombardier’s CEO is concerned that Canada is considering awarding a sole-source contract to Boeing for the Canadian Multi-Mission Aircraft project.

skiesmag.com

Ya let's go with a purchase of a non-existent aircraft that won't have SFA in common with our Allies.

"rethink" = lower?

 

[Spencer100]

Bombardier’s president and CEO, Éric Martel, released a statement in late December 2022 expressing concern over reports that Canada is considering awarding a sole-source contract to U.S. aerospace giant Boeing for the Canadian Multi-Mission Aircraft (CMMA) project.

Martel noted that if a CMMA tender were to be open to “diverse proposals,” it would offer Canada the opportunity to “rethink its surveillance capabilities.”

Bombardier CEO calls for Canadian Multi-Mission Aircraft tender to consider ‘Canadian-built option’ - Skies Mag

Bombardier’s CEO is concerned that Canada is considering awarding a sole-source contract to Boeing for the Canadian Multi-Mission Aircraft project.

skiesmag.com

Ya let's go with a purchase of a non-existent aircraft that won't have SFA in common with our Allies.

"rethink" = lower?

Put your tin foil on.

This has the feel of a set up. Quebec Inc. and the family (plus JT) are prepping the battlefield.

Bombardier, the Family and the Quebec Libs and PM are still mad at Boeing.

Bombardier now freed of the No Weapons biz agreements want a piece of the action.

A Global based MPA is now going to be needed to be looked at. This does a couple of things it pushes the purchase out years and may be even too late for the P-8. Thus puts a stop to a Boeing purchase. A global option may or may not be armed. The non armed is a good outcome for this government.

Now with this out in the open to give Boeing the contract is a non starter. The process would have to have a RFP and open specs just like the rebid of the SAR bid. A nd years added to the process. So for the politics of it is a win.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Have a look at Para 5 and Annex A and B. They can whine all they want but...

https://buyandsell.gc.ca/cds/public/2022/02/10/40e474721d25ec41e82e2941aa3754f5/canadian_multi-mission_aircraft_project_request_for_information_02.10.2022.pdf

IOC 2034...

 

[dimsum]

Put your tin foil on.

This has the feel of a set up. Quebec Inc. and the family (plus JT) are prepping the battlefield.

Bombardier, the Family and the Quebec Libs and PM are still mad at Boeing.

Bombardier now freed of the No Weapons biz agreements want a piece of the action.

A Global based MPA is now going to be needed to be looked at. This does a couple of things it pushes the purchase out years and may be even too late for the P-8. Thus puts a stop to a Boeing purchase. A global option may or may not be armed. The non armed is a good outcome for this government.

Now with this out in the open to give Boeing the contract is a non starter. The process would have to have a RFP and open specs just like the rebid of the SAR bid. A nd years added to the process. So for the politics of it is a win.

Well...you did say "put your tinfoil on".

 

[OldSolduer]

Well...you did say "put your tinfoil on".

I don’t think this government is that clever. They might think they are but….

 

[Good2Golf]

Put your tin foil on.

This has the feel of a set up. Quebec Inc. and the family (plus JT) are prepping the battlefield.

Bombardier, the Family and the Quebec Libs and PM are still mad at Boeing.

Bombardier now freed of the No Weapons biz agreements want a piece of the action.

A Global based MPA is now going to be needed to be looked at. This does a couple of things it pushes the purchase out years and may be even too late for the P-8. Thus puts a stop to a Boeing purchase. A global option may or may not be armed. The non armed is a good outcome for this government.

Now with this out in the open to give Boeing the contract is a non starter. The process would have to have a RFP and open specs just like the rebid of the SAR bid. A nd years added to the process. So for the politics of it is a win.

Some would wager that Canada announces a P-8 acquisition far sooner than Bombardier or deHavilland get any success in their lobbying efforts. They may be the also-ran years later, with a small consolation prize, but what Uncle Sam tells Canada to get, Canada gets…F-35, NASAMS, P-8 next, etc., etc., etc.

 

[MTShaw]

Put your tin foil on.

This has the feel of a set up. Quebec Inc. and the family (plus JT) are prepping the battlefield.

Bombardier, the Family and the Quebec Libs and PM are still mad at Boeing.

Bombardier now freed of the No Weapons biz agreements want a piece of the action.

A Global based MPA is now going to be needed to be looked at. This does a couple of things it pushes the purchase out years and may be even too late for the P-8. Thus puts a stop to a Boeing purchase. A global option may or may not be armed. The non armed is a good outcome for this government.

Now with this out in the open to give Boeing the contract is a non starter. The process would have to have a RFP and open specs just like the rebid of the SAR bid. A nd years added to the process. So for the politics of it is a win.

If we follow the trail, canada has:
1. Bought the only ASW frigate in the actual competition, fulfilling NATO and implied US treaties for shipping interdiction. Insert BMD Defense as a plus.
2. bought a NORAD compliant fighter, per US treaties.
3. buying the MQ-9B drone for North American approaches and likely NORAD.
4. If P8 indeed fits the bill in buy and sell, then the Americans have a good point…

 

[Good2Golf]

If we follow the trail, canada has:
1. Bought the only ASW frigate in the actual competition, fulfilling NATO and implied US treaties for shipping interdiction. Insert BMD Defense as a plus.
2. bought a NORAD compliant fighter, per US treaties.
3. buying the MQ-9B drone for North American approaches and likely NORAD.
4. buying NASAMS after speaking with President Biden and agreeing to increase support to Ukraine
5. If P8 indeed fits the bill in buy and sell, then the Americans have a good point…

😉

 

[Eye In The Sky]

If we follow the trail, canada has:
1. Bought the only ASW frigate in the actual competition, fulfilling NATO and implied US treaties for shipping interdiction. Insert BMD Defense as a plus.
2. bought a NORAD compliant fighter, per US treaties.
3. buying the MQ-9B drone for North American approaches and likely NORAD.
4. If P8 indeed fits the bill in buy and sell, then the Americans have a good point…

We are not buying drones. They will be RPAS.

Sorry. I trigger when people say drones alittle because…they aren’t…drones. Lol

They aren’t just for NA/NORAD. They will be deployed.

 

[MTShaw]

We are not buying drones. They will be RPAS.

Sorry. I trigger when people say drones alittle because…they aren’t…drones. Lol

They aren’t just for NA/NORAD. They will be deployed.

I know. Drones are shorthand and I should know better than using that. RPAS.

 

[Spencer100]

Canadian planes in the US for ISR missions . Well one they stopping to use. But first article I have ever read talking about three different Canadian build airframes in the US forces.

The Army Has Axed Its Dash-8 Surveillance Planes

The Army is moving to divest dozens more King Air-based surveillance aircraft as part of a planned shift to converted business jets.

www.thedrive.com

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Canadian planes in the US for ISR missions . Well one they stopping to use. But first article I have ever read talking about three different Canadian build airframes in the US forces.

The Army Has Axed Its Dash-8 Surveillance Planes

The Army is moving to divest dozens more King Air-based surveillance aircraft as part of a planned shift to converted business jets.

www.thedrive.com

TC can buy them and lease to DFO/CCG for doing the inshore work, while the Auroras and P8 do the offshore stuff.

 

[KevinB]

Canadian planes in the US for ISR missions . Well one they stopping to use. But first article I have ever read talking about three different Canadian build airframes in the US forces.

The Army Has Axed Its Dash-8 Surveillance Planes

The Army is moving to divest dozens more King Air-based surveillance aircraft as part of a planned shift to converted business jets.

www.thedrive.com

They where really handy in the Iraq and Syria and a few other places as they don’t appear to be Mil Aircraft, so they can do a lot of stuff that .Mil birds would draw attention (or fire).
They have short legs and limited electronic packages though.

 

[Good2Golf]

TC can buy them and lease to DFO/CCG for doing the inshore work, while the Auroras and P8 do the offshore stuff.

DFO already contracts Dash-8s and King Airs (PAL) and has its NASP Dash-8s/Dash-7. I hear the NASP aircraft don’t have the highest dispatch rate going…not sure doing more of the same would be the best use of taxpayers’ money. 🤔

 

[Good2Golf]

Everyone ready for UNCLESAM FRAGO 03? (01 was buy F-35, 02 was by NASAMS for UKR)

Looks like MND may be coming back from Washington with P-8s.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Everyone ready for UNCLESAM FRAGO 03? (01 was buy F-35, 02 was by NASAMS for UKR)

Looks like MND may be coming back from Washington with P-8s.

 

[Good2Golf]

EITS, come on brother, surely you can’t be surprised by this. It’s been telegraphed for a not insignificant time… 😉

Sure block 5 and 6 would have been interesting, but….SLAM-ER, here we come, baby!!