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Fishbone Jones said:
This is from Dec 2022. I'd say severely dated at this point, 6 months later. A lot has happened since the article was written. Heading into summertime when people traditionally try to forget about government. If trudeau and Co. start doing whistle stops, there's an election coming.
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He’ll want an election before the new ridings are added. My guess is by this fall.
 
Fishbone Jones said:
Hot air and hobby horses. If he were any kind of serious, he'd break his orange and red liberal coalition and bring the government down over this. Almost like he's stalling for time. 4 more weeks and the shop closes for the summer. I highly doubt we'll be any further ahead when parliament rises. Trudeau waiting on his rapporteur and the rapporteur running around clutching his mandate and racking up billable hours, thinking of ways to carry the party line and clear the government, while trying to sound detached, independent and competent. Failing miserably on all counts.
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Anyone willing to go out on a limb and put forward some names of MP's who between today and when Parliament rises later this month announce their retirement from politics or who won't be running in the next election?
 
Seriously this is what I am going to be reduced to voting for? I'll spoil my ballot first.
Granted voting conservative in my riding of Winnipeg Centre (Wolseley) is pretty much pointless anyway.
 
GK .Dundas said:
Seriously this is what I am going to be reduced to voting for? I'll spoil my ballot first.
Granted voting conservative in my riding of Winnipeg Centre (Wolseley) is pretty much pointless anyway.
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Wolesely - is that not a centre of champagne socialism?

"WE KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU!!!"
 
In the meantime, Prime Minister Fancy Socks has appointed his good buddy Dominic LeBlanc (“Le“ is a secret code for Laurentian Elite) to look into the possibility of Han Dong (“Dong” being another word for…well, you know…) returning to the Liberal fold.

www.thestar.com

Justin Trudeau confidante Dominic LeBlanc to study if there’s a path back for Han Dong

The question of whether to allow the Don Valley North MP to return to the fold will be studied by fellow MP Dominic LeBlanc, Intergovernmental Affairs Minister and trusted confidante of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, the Star has learned.
www.thestar.com www.thestar.com
 
Part of the Double-Down Doctrine of Justin Trudeau. Turn it around and make others feel bad for being mean to those including one (Dong) who was acknowledgedly (even by David Johnson) to be influenced by China in the 2021 election…
 
Halifax Tar said:
And yet, JT still polls above 30%

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*taken from 338Canada.com
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And 27% believe that Johnston is their buddy.... er.... credible.

nationalpost.com

Only 27% of Canadians believe David Johnston is credible and impartial on foreign interference: poll

Barely one of four Canadians believe Daniel Johnston is a credible and impartial special rapporteur on foreign interference, suggests a new poll.
nationalpost.com nationalpost.com

There you have the LPC base, the Laurentian Elite and fellow travellers.
 
The whole area's a little weird from a demographic point of you have some of the poorest people in the city living cheek by jowel with some pretty wealthy people.
 
There’s a by-election where I live right now. A sea of red signs, some orange ones. Two blue ones. The Tories won here in 2011 under Harper.
 
Remius said:
He’ll want an election before the new ridings are added. My guess is by this fall.
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How do you possibly think an election now would work out to his advantage, or to that of the NDP? They have a pretty stable supported minority setup going where LPC gets to govern and NDP get quite a bit of policy input. Realistic best case for an election in the next six months is maybe they preserve this, but good chance CPC win a plurality. Statutorily, the current government could go as long as October 2025 before needing to have an election. I struggle to imagine them wanting to call one absent a real prospect of improving their position in Parliament. Their current woes go way beyond a pending seat redistribution.
 
brihard said:
How do you possibly think an election now would work out to his advantage, or to that of the NDP? They have a pretty stable supported minority setup going where LPC gets to govern and NDP get quite a bit of policy input. Realistic best case for an election in the next six months is maybe they preserve this, but good chance CPC win a plurality. Statutorily, the current government could go as long as October 2025 before needing to have an election. I struggle to imagine them wanting to call one absent a real prospect of improving their position in Parliament. Their current woes go way beyond a pending seat redistribution.
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Seat redistribution will be done after October I think. At that point Alberta gains 3 new seats. And Ontario sees a Toronto area riding split in two.

I am certain that is a factor when looking at their current electoral chances.
Add to that a recent poll showing the LPC up (still need to wait to see if it is a trend though) with summer stand down coming to do the bbq circuit on a variety of things it isn’t improbable.
 
Poilievre has done nothing since he's been named Conservative leader to make me want to vote for him (luckily I'm not in his riding) or the party right now. I was hoping that once he became leader he'd hand off the attack dog to another couple of people. He hasn't.

I will never vote for a Liberal, but if the dipper has a chance to unseat the Liberal in Ottawa Centre (if I still live there) then I'll vote for them.

The way that successive governments have neutered both the HoC and their own backbenchers has profoundly disappointed me in the future of our institutions. That the PMO and its inhabitants continually thumb their nose to the people who are to hold them to account does not bode well for the future of democracy in Canada.
 
FSTO said:
Poilievre has done nothing since he's been named Conservative leader to make me want to vote for him (luckily I'm not in his riding) or the party right now. I was hoping that once he became leader he'd hand off the attack dog to another couple of people. He hasn't.

I will never vote for a Liberal, but if the dipper has a chance to unseat the Liberal in Ottawa Centre (if I still live there) then I'll vote for them.

The way that successive governments have neutered both the HoC and their own backbenchers has profoundly disappointed me in the future of our institutions. That the PMO and its inhabitants continually thumb their nose to the people who are to hold them to account does not bode well for the future of democracy in Canada.
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Can’t disagree with you. PP still comes across as an immature turd using wild, childish attacks. Works great for raising money from the choir, but not for convincing the skeptics to vote for his party. I will probably vote CPC because of the Liberals’ non-handling of Beijing’s campaign against our democracy, but I think most voters are turned off by these two turds. I haven’t heard what PP intends to do about PRC influence within the CPC. Is it because he may have been the beneficiary of United Front action against O’Toole?
 
Election integrity depends not only on propriety (following the rules), but the absence of the appearance of impropriety. Everything "democratic" hinges on that. Peaceful transfer of power requires the losers to believe (privately, even if they publicly grouse for form's sake) they lost fairly.

The instant Johnston was selected, the opportunity to avoid the appearance of impropriety was lost. Litigating the details of Johnston's public life and reputation, of what he found or didn't find, or his recommendations and reasoning, is beside the point at best or a deliberate attempt to distract from the fundamental issue of trust at worst.

Parliament has explicitly expressed its lack of confidence. Litigating the details of a non-binding resolution is irrelevant. Parliament has expressed distrust; Canadians have seen Parliament express distrust.

Trudeau shat himself by his choice. Johnston shat himself by not immediately respecting the expression of Parliament's trust and removing himself. Singh shat himself by in essence saying that election integrity is behind political advantage in importance. Probably more people have shat themselves or will shortly; others may add to the list.
 
The Chinese no longer have to do anything at this point we are ( And I include our happy little band here at Army.ca ) doing it to ourselves.
That's just how corrosive their disinformation campaign has been .
However I will point out that sunlight has remarkable cleansing powers. I just wish our our current political leadership and I include all parties in this mess , would stop assuming that party interest and national interest are one and the same.
 
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