Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread

[Rifleman62]

Remember, Trudeau continuously denied knowing anything about this. Would not admit if he was briefed or not. Obfuscated. Now he says what was leaked is incorrect but won't say what.
Who would trust Trudeau?

 

[Jarnhamar]

If so, is it truly for national security reasons, and to keep this from spinning out of control and damaging innocent people and institutions?

You could always look at it like he was trying to keep Canadians safe in 2019 and 2021 by trying to ensure a Liberal vitcory.

International students with fake ID voted for a candidate that was favored by Beijing who went on to win the seat. It was eventually discovered which means our system is working

 

[JLB50]

You could always look at it like he was trying to keep Canadians safe in 2019 and 2021 by trying to ensure a Liberal vitcory.

International students with fake ID voted for a candidate that was favored by Beijing who went on to win the seat. It was eventually discovered which means our system is working

One would think that, by exposing it early on, the LPC’s chance of victory would be assured after having exposed a pinko commie threat to a grateful electorate.

 

[RangerRay]

The last time Trudeau said Bob Fife’s reporting was wrong didn’t work out well for him.

How Robert ‘Fife the knife’ broke the SNC-Lavalin story and 40 years of other scoops

The Globe and Mail bureau chief's vast source list and eye for detail has helped him expose numerous government scandals, including the SNC-Lavalin affair, which he broke with Steven Chase and Sean Fine.

www.hilltimes.com

 

[Kirkhill]

Just thought I would take a look at China's track record since 1949

They are hard pressed to find any outright victories. Even in Tibet and Xinjiang they are still working hard to keep down rebellions.

List of wars involving the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

War	People's Republic of China and allies	Opponents	Result
Chinese Civil War (1927–1949)[note 1]	Chinese Communist Party	Republic of China	Victory(to the Communist Party) Formation of the People's Republic of China Nationalist government retreats to Taiwan
Battle of Chamdo (1950)	People's Republic of China	Tibet	Victory People’s Republic of China annexes Tibet
Korean War (1950–1953)	North Korea China Soviet Union	South Korea United States United Kingdom Canada Turkey Australia Philippines New Zealand Thailand Ethiopia Greece France Colombia Belgium South Africa Netherlands Luxembourg	Ceasefire North Korean invasion of South Korea repelled UN invasion of North Korea repelled Chinese-North Korean invasion of South Korea repelled DMZ established, little territorial change at the 38th parallel border, essentially uti possidetis
First Taiwan Strait Crisis (1954–1955)	China	Taiwan United States	Ceasefire PRC withdrawal, status quo ante bellum
Second Taiwan Strait Crisis (1958)	China	Taiwan United States	Ceasefire PRC ceases bombardment
Tibetan Uprising (1959)	China	Chushi Gangdruk	Victory Uprising suppressed
China–Burma border campaign (1960–1961)	China Burma	Taiwan	Victory Kuomintang expelled from Burma
Xinjiang conflict (1960–present)	China	Turkistan Islamic Party ETLO (2000–03) ETPRP (1969–89) URFET (1969–89)	Ongoing Partial PRC victory (Defeat of the ETPRP, URFET and ETLO)
Sino-Indian War (1962)	China	India	Victory PRC invasion of Northeast India before ceasefire and withdrawal PRC annexation of Aksai Chin[1]
Vietnam War (1965–1969)	North Vietnam Viet Cong Pathet Lao Khmer Rouge China Soviet Union North Korea	South Vietnam United States South Korea Australia New Zealand Laos Cambodia Khmer Republic Thailand Philippines	Withdrawal Withdrawal of American-led forces from Indochina Communist governments take power in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia South Vietnam is annexed by North Vietnam Breakdown in Sino-Vietnamese relations leading to the Sino-Vietnamese War
Nathu La and Cho La clashes (1967)	China	India	Defeat Ceasefire arranged to end Nathu La clashes PRC withdrawal from Nathu La and Cho La
Sino-Soviet Border Conflict (1969)	China	Soviet Union	Defeat Status quo ante bellum 1991 Sino-Soviet Border Agreement
Sino-Vietnamese War (1979)	China	Vietnam	Both sides claim victory[2][3] Some Chinese strategic objectives achieved Chinese withdrawal from Vietnam Continued Vietnamese occupation of Cambodia until 1989 Sino-Vietnamese conflicts (1979–1991)
Sino-Vietnamese Conflicts (1979–1991)	China	Vietnam	Stalemate Temporary Chinese occupation of several areas in northern Vietnamese territory (returned to Vietnam in 1992) China took control of six reefs in the Spratly Islands after its victory in the Johnson South Reef Skirmish Normalization of relations after the 1990 Chengdu summit
Third Taiwan Strait Crisis (1996)	China	Taiwan United States	Ceasefire PRC ceases bombardment
War on terror (2001–present)	Major combatants: United States United Kingdom France China[4][5] India Pakistan	Major combatants: al-Qaeda Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant Taliban East Turkestan Islamic Movement	Ongoing
Operation Ocean Shield (2009–2016)	Somalia NATO Australia Belgium China Colombia Greece India Indonesia Japan Malaysia New Zealand Norway Oman Pakistan Russia Saudi Arabia Seychelles Singapore South Korea United Kingdom United States Ukraine	Somali pirates	Victory Number of Somali pirate attacks reduced dramatically
Mali War (2012–present)	France Mali China[6] Benin Cape Verde Gambia Ghana[7] Guinea[8] Guinea-Bissau[9] Ivory Coast[8] Liberia[10] Niger[11] Nigeria[12] Sierra Leone[13] Senegal[12] Togo[14] Chad[15] Burundi[16] Gabon[17] South Africa[18] Rwanda[18] Tanzania[18] Uganda[19] Germany[20]	Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant Ansar al-Sharia Jama'at Nasr al-Islam wal Muslimin	Ongoing
China–India skirmishes (2020–2021)	China	India	Ceasefire A few soldiers killed and some captured on both sides

 

[Brad Sallows]

Still waiting for the outcry from the legions of Canadians offended on behalf of Americans that Trump would accept any kind of help from Russians...

 

[JLB50]

Definitely not a fan of Poilievre (my wife calls him Polyester) and felt that Harper was too power hungry and had been in power too long.

I know many here will disagree with me on this but I feel that much (but not all) of what Justin did regarding the pandemic was justified and that history will judge him rather kindly in that area. Having said that, this whole business with China in itself should be enough to make Canadians demand for him to step down. I think I’d rather see Freeland as PM (but definitely not Joli). Other than her, I don’t think Justin has done much in terms of succession planning for his party and can’t think of many other suitable candidates at this point in time.

Erin O’Toole had a tough job trying to appease many of the fringe groups in his party but I think he was basically a decent person and probably would have made this country a better place if he had survived the party politics and had become PM. I think that, with his military background, he would have placed more emphasis on national defence. Unfortunately he didn’t survive the cutthroat politics that exists today.

I just hope that Trudeau decides to leave of his own volition or his party should force it on him. Otherwise let the voters eventually decimate the Liberal party. It’s just not good for any political party to be in power for too long. As the old saying goes, familiarity breeds contempt. And thanks to China’s relationship with the Liberals, there’s a lot for Canadians to be contemptuous about.

 

[Dana381]

You could always look at it like he was trying to keep Canadians safe in 2019 and 2021 by trying to ensure a Liberal vitcory.

International students with fake ID voted for a candidate that was favored by Beijing who went on to win the seat. It was eventually discovered which means our system is working

If the system was working there would be by-elections by now

 

[Colin Parkinson]

It would be interesting to be able to look at a deep dive of Chinese demographics, the number of reliable Han in the next 20 years to call upon to man the borders and maintain internal security may drop to critical levels.

 

[RangerRay]

St. Richard speaks. A public inquiry is needed to get to the bottom of things.

Canada needs an inquiry into Chinese election interference: ex-spymaster - National | Globalnews.ca

Richard Fadden, former head of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, said he 'can't see any compelling reason not to' hold a public inquiry into election meddling by China.

globalnews.ca

 

[brihard]

St. Richard speaks. A public inquiry is needed to get to the bottom of things.

Canada needs an inquiry into Chinese election interference: ex-spymaster - National | Globalnews.ca

Richard Fadden, former head of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, said he 'can't see any compelling reason not to' hold a public inquiry into election meddling by China.

globalnews.ca

That’s a very welcome offering of opinion from someone who is supremely well positioned to understand the implications of such an inquiry when it would necessarily include participation by our intelligence services. Although much could obviously not be offered publicly, some could, and an inquiry could be set up to review classified evidence and generate both classified and redacted findings for the appropriately cleared parties, and the public respectively.

 

[lenaitch]

I agree, but our system is not particularly well set up to public assess security intelligence information.

 

[brihard]

I agree, but our system is not particularly well set up to public assess security intelligence information.

I don’t think any system is, by the very nature of the information. We do already have oversight bodies that will release some things publicly, and hold others behind classification for a much narrower audience. NSIRA might have a role to play here?

 

[RangerRay]

Terry Glavin has some more.

This is just to say

About Beijing's friends in high Canadian places. . .

therealstory.substack.com

Beijing’s primary overseas strongarming and influence-peddling agency is the United Front Work Department, and the UFWD’s strategy of “elite capture” in Canada has been every bit as successful as our worst fears. Senior China-file CSIS agents have finally stepped out into scary terrain: they’ve had it with the Trudeau government’s collusions with Beijing’s proxies in Canada.

The whistleblowers are trying to avoid prosecution under the Security of Information Act (the 1985 successor to the Official Secrets Act), but they’re also taking care to ensure that if push comes to shove they’ll be able to avail themselves of the “public interest” exemptions from prosecution, under Section 15 of the Act.

It’s that bad.

 

[Good2Golf]

I don’t think any system is, by the very nature of the information. We do already have oversight bodies that will release some things publicly, and hold others behind classification for a much narrower audience. NSIRA might have a role to play here?

NSIRA yes…but NSIA is strangely silent on the issue…

 

[Rifleman62]

LILLEY: New report names candidate CSIS claims got help from China

Another day and another shocking revelation involving allegations China attempted to interfere with Canada’s democracy.

torontosun.com

Brian Lilley, Toronto Sun 15 Feb 23

Extract: On Friday, he (Trudeau) said he supported the various investigations into these allegations, including by a Commons committee, but his own Liberal MPs blocked the release of documents on this matter and blocked the ability to call key witnesses like Trudeau’s chief of staff Katie Telford. That makes it look like they have something to hide from the public at large.

 

[Halifax Tar]

LILLEY: New report names candidate CSIS claims got help from China

Another day and another shocking revelation involving allegations China attempted to interfere with Canada’s democracy.

torontosun.com

Brian Lilley, Toronto Sun 15 Feb 23

I don't doubt there is something to hide. Probably something big.

I have no doubt the LPC War room is distressed and desperately hoping for something to distract away the pitiful attention span of the country.

 

[dimsum]

I have no doubt the LPC War room is distressed and desperately hoping for something to distract away the pitiful attention span of the country.

I'm guessing this.

Pierre Poilievre denounces Conservative MPs' meeting with far-right German politician

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is denouncing a far-right German politician after three of his MPs met with her during her Canadian tour in support of the 'Freedom Convoy' movement.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Halifax Tar]

I'm guessing this.

Pierre Poilievre denounces Conservative MPs' meeting with far-right German politician

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is denouncing a far-right German politician after three of his MPs met with her during her Canadian tour in support of the 'Freedom Convoy' movement.

www.ctvnews.ca

I don't watch network news very often anymore, is it actually finding traction more than just the media trying to make it happen for the LPC ?

I am not seeing much on it outside of this website on my twitter or other SM venues. Even my close friend who is a very very senior Liberal hasn't said anything about it to date.

 

[Good2Golf]

LILLEY: New report names candidate CSIS claims got help from China

Another day and another shocking revelation involving allegations China attempted to interfere with Canada’s democracy.

torontosun.com

Brian Lilley, Toronto Sun 15 Feb 23

…the money quote:

On Friday, he said he supported the various investigations into these allegations, including by a Commons committee, but his own Liberal MPs blocked the release of documents on this matter and blocked the ability to call key witnesses like Trudeau’s chief of staff Katie Telford. That makes it look like they have something to hide from the public at large.

Poor Justin. Can you believe his MPs don’t support his forthright and transparent wishes?