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Actually FARA is one where I wouldn’t have an issue with the Bell Invictus; any escort functionality should have a bit of speed overmatch anyway.
 

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Actually FARA is one where I wouldn’t have an issue with the Bell Invictus; any escort functionality should have a bit of speed overmatch anyway.
Oh you say that like the Apaches needing to leave 30-45min early to escort the Hooks was a bad thing 🤣
 

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Oh you say that like the Apaches needing to leave 30-45min early to escort the Hooks was a bad thing 🤣
Apache pilots may have crapped on the ‘Hawk drivers, but they didn’t dare shit on the Hookers, as they were just a ‘clean and jerk’ (pulling in Thrust lever) away from leaving the Apaches behind in their own dust… 😆
 

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Actually FARA is one where I wouldn’t have an issue with the Bell Invictus; any escort functionality should have a bit of speed overmatch anyway.
By that you mean the escorts should be a bit faster than the Chinooks? Remember crayons are my favorite IMP ;)
 

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Actually FARA is one where I wouldn’t have an issue with the Bell Invictus; any escort functionality should have a bit of speed overmatch anyway.
I thought the Invictus was slower than the FLRAA offerings. Seems like a bit of research over lunch hour is required to refresh my facts and figures.
 

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By that you mean the escorts should be a bit faster than the Chinooks? Remember crayons are my favorite IMP ;)
OS, in places where an assault package is inserting and there has either been limited time to prep the route, or there may still be a number of threat unknowns, the escort should theoretically be able to stretch out forward of the main body the screen. That speed overmatch hasn’t ever happened to my knowledge where a Chinook was the main lift platform. Even the normally fast Lynx helicopter (world speed record holder for conventional helicopters) couldn’t go as fast as the Chinook in the hot thin air of Afghanistan. Unless the Hook is sling a few large pallets of red crayons (yumm!) it’s still the fastest kid on the block.

I thought the Invictus was slower than the FLRAA offerings. Seems like a bit of research over lunch hour is required to refresh my facts and figures.
No, Underway, you’re right. It’s how the Army worked out the requirements. I don’t personally know why FARA is actually spec’d to go slower…or perhaps, in context, ‘not as fast’ as FLRAA, but it won’t be doing any escorting. It will be propositioning into picketing zones, wherever need be, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Personally I’d want scout/recce to be ahead of the assault package anyway.
 

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I'm assuming the FLRAA will have a "self escort" capability if that means anything. Door gunners or somesuch.
 

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I'm assuming the FLRAA will have a "self escort" capability if that means anything. Door gunners or somesuch.
Self Escort isn’t viable.
The problem becomes that 2 birds become involved in a gunfight suppressing enemy positions - and have GIB’s, that then aren’t getting to the mission site at the proper time.
*ask me how I know ;)

Plus any damaged birds that go down then pull more troops off mission.
** again been there, got the T shirt

Given the size of FLRAA (it’s actually a larger cabin than a Hawk) setting them up as gunship escort birds is a massive waste of space.
 

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From the US Army Aviation museum site, it didn't look like they had the most glorious of careers...
Keep in mind the Hook had a lot of earlier teething issues. A girl I went to elementary school with, father died as PIC of a Hook in 1970.
Several issues with oil filters, hydraulics etc caused multiple crashes.
 

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Keep in mind the Hook had a lot of earlier teething issues. A girl I went to elementary school with, father died as PIC of a Hook in 1970.
Several issues with oil filters, hydraulics etc caused multiple crashes.
Canada lost its first Chinook and all five crew members aboard in October 1974 on its delivery flight from Boeing’s plant in Ridley Park, PA to CFB Uplands. The combining transmission main bevel gear shattered and the synchronization shaft between the front and rear rotors disconnected causing a ‘de-phasing’ of the rotors, leading to in-flight breakup of the aircraft.
 

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Canada lost its first Chinook and all five crew members aboard in October 1974 on its delivery flight from Boeing’s plant in Ridley Park, PA to CFB Uplands. The combining transmission main bevel gear shattered and the synchronization shaft between the front and rear rotors disconnected causing a ‘de-phasing’ of the rotors, leading to in-flight breakup of the aircraft.
My error on the date, as it was Captain Robert Lovett who was Sara's dad that passed in that crash.
 
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