Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

[Furniture]

That is a good point.

What I am most interested in is how we will create and integrate strike teams. That is a function we have never done before.

The same way the CAF does everything else, we'll put someone in a chair and make them an expert by posting message. When they make a mistake we'll put the blame entirely on them, and the people who put them there will all get a MSM and a promotion.

 

[dapaterson]

The same way the CAF does everything else, we'll put someone in a chair and make them an expert by posting message. When they make a mistake we'll put the blame entirely on them, and the people who put them there will all get a MSM and a promotion.

Depending on the rank, the blame may be assigned to the subordinates who documented in writing that the proposed action was entirely wrong. You don't want to derail a future GOFO's career just because they did something stupid and/or illegal after being warned that it was stupid and/or illegal, after all.

What's the legal designation of a Corporal of the Sea, again?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Depending on the rank, the blame may be assigned to the subordinates who documented in writing that the proposed action was entirely wrong. You don't want to derail a future GOFO's career just because they did something stupid and/or illegal after being warned that it was stupid and/or illegal, after all.

What's the legal designation of a Corporal of the Sea, again?

Leading Seaman, according to QR&Os.

BTW, how is that change to KR&Os going? Is there any particular King we are waiting for?

 

[dapaterson]

Leading Seaman, according to QR&Os.

BTW, how is that change to KR&Os going? Is there any particular King we are waiting for?

Who is responsible for the QR&Os, who will give direction on the amendment to QR&O 1.01?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Who is responsible for the QR&Os, who will give direction on the amendment to QR&O 1.01?

Yes.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Yes.

Minister.

 

[Furniture]

Leading Seaman, according to QR&Os.

BTW, how is that change to KR&Os going? Is there any particular King we are waiting for?

Charles IV, sometime around 2381 if the timeline from Charles II to Charles III works out.

 

[Navy_Pete]

The same way the CAF does everything else, we'll put someone in a chair and make them an expert by posting message. When they make a mistake we'll put the blame entirely on them, and the people who put them there will all get a MSM and a promotion.

The actual qualifications/certification process for the AEGIS system and the crewing requirements are daunting, and the RCN won't be able to just parachute some one in. Adding it onto an existing design (vice designing the ship around it) is an interesting choice.

 

[Underway]

The actual qualifications/certification process for the AEGIS system and the crewing requirements are daunting, and the RCN won't be able to just parachute some one in. Adding it onto an existing design (vice designing the ship around it) is an interesting choice.

Agreed. Given the work they are putting into this I know the warfare centre is all over this change.
The other issue is where CTI (CMS 330) ends and Aegis begins. That's a key change in the crewing as well.

 

[Spencer100]

Oz already to upgrade the T26 before the second batch is started....is there a T83 in there?

I spy with my little eye: BAE presentation reveals interesting next-gen Destroyer concept

Australia isn't alone in facing questions about the amount of firepower available to our surface fleet and recognising this, it appears that BAE Systems have been quietly working away on an impressiv

www.defenceconnect.com.au

 

[Underway]

That's just a nice graphic I wouldn't read much into it. Shipbuilder ppts always have fun little sketch ships that are there to be background.

In 1995, the Royal Australian Navy possessed 368 missile cells on its major surface combatants. By 2020, that had reduced to 208, a 43 per cent reduction in firepower.

That's extremely disingenous. In 1995 each one of those cells could shoot a single missile. So 368 missiles. Today 144 of those cells on the Hobarts can fire 576 missiles (Thanks to quadpacking), on 3 ships alone. Thats in increase in firepower of approx 60% on only three ships. Now calculate in the frigates and you'll have a proper answer.

 

[Rainbow1910]

Year in review 2022: National Shipbuilding Strategy - National Shipbuilding Strategy reports - Canada.ca

Year in review report on Canada’s National Shipbuilding Strategy (NSS), covering 2022.

www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca

Design work of Canadian surface combatants​

Among other projects, design work is progressing for the RCN’s future Canadian surface combatants (CSCs)—the largest and most complex shipbuilding initiative in Canada since World War II. The preliminary design review, which begins to finalize the overall structure of the vessel, was substantially completed in December. Work has begun on the second of the 3 design phases: Functional design. This phase includes detailed design and engineering work to construct the vessel according to Canadian requirements.

The Government of Canada, in collaboration with its partners, continued to prepare for the CSC implementation (build) contract with early discussions taking place in 2022 and contract development and negotiation planned for 2023 and 2024.

Some progress on the CSC design process so far.

 

[Fabius]

How many Navies procure enough missiles to actually fill all the missile cells on their fleets?

 

[Spencer100]

How many Navies procure enough missiles to actually fill all the missile cells on their fleets?

The US and................hmmm the US navy?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

How many Navies procure enough missiles to actually fill all the missile cells on their fleets?

And have the abilty to transport and reload a ship with fresh stock of missiles away from major ports or home base. Even the USN is weak on that side. But they are working on the problem.

 

[Rainbow1910]

What seems to be a new render of the CSC from the recent Volume 29, Issue 4 of the Canadian Defence Review. Apologies for the relative low quality but it seems that the mast has been changed quite dramatically yet again from the last most recent renders shown off last year. As per always take these renders with a grain of salt but I thought it was worthwhile to share given the infrequency of new CSC news.

For comparison, here is a similar angle of the render released last year.

 

[KevinB]

Looks to me some major mast changes to shorten the solid portion of it, but top array seems to be the same height over all. Plus some other antenna changes raking the angles backwards

 

[Underway]

Before I nerd out here this is an image, and like @Rainbow1910 stated its a bit dangerous to make assumptions from these.

Antenna changes (additions) look like they are for specific comms equipment that was not added to the previous images. Just different frequency bands, nothing the current frigates don't already have. They aren't actually angled aft they are angled outboard, just a trick of the image.

The mast top tells me a few things. First bringing the enclosed portion lower and removing an encolsed top to create a scafold speaks to reducing top weight and a focus on decreasing wasted tonnage (ballast). It also might be to reduce the effects on the anomometers that are mounted just above the radar on those little platforms, and improve arcs for sensors to detect.

Second there is no Xband illuminator pannel on that mast. Which I was hoping was a thing. The new missiles are all active homing so won't actually need one.

Third there seems to be removal of a lot of sensors shown on the mast. This either means that they were moved elsewhere, the design is more mature and they have better design details on those etc...

Oddly on the focs'le it looks like they have a kingpost extended behind the main gun. Which under normal operations would not be extended. That's assuming it is a kingpost.

The gun looks like the Lenardo OTO 127/64 LW Gun instead of the BAE one as well.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I thought that we were out of the heavy jackstay game?

 

[dapaterson]

I thought that we were out of the heavy jackstay game?

Look, we're nearing the point where Oriole will be deployed to a theatre of hostility due to a lack of any other available ship...