There was another Sheffield between the T42 from Falklands fame and the T26 in build. A Type 22 sold to Chile. So, right next door to Argentina for that extra level of friskiness.
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Didn’t know that !!
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They can if they build two and then build one for Norway, built another for UK etc... UK has the same crewing issues as all the rest of us, and digesting a new ship takes some time, so it will allow for that time if done properly. At least IMHO it will work.
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I have my doubts if the RN will compromise their own fleet in order to bring Norway into the fold as from their timeline but at the same time, they are no strangers to questionable or strange decisions. They are going to need likely one of the current RN frigates right out of the yard as Norway is requiring one vessel delivered by 2029. They aren't going to give Norway/Norway won't want HMS Glasgow because first in class ships like this are always a bit of a mess, so the UK would have to start giving up later vessels and Norway likely wouldn't have much chance to modify them along the way.
Considering how stretched the RN is, how old much of their Type 23 fleet is aging old rapidly and how utterly inadequate the Type 31's are for ASW work, it would definitely be a decision to further slow the rollout of proper frigate replacements. The RN is in an even worst state than Canada as the Type 23's had a designed lifespan of 18 years with the newest ship being 22~ and the oldest being 33~ years old. Atleast the CPF's have a designed life of 30 years and are between 28-32 years old. We might not have the resources of the RN but we also aren't doing anywhere near the deployments either.
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Sounds like Norway is out of luck then.
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update on the construction of the build hall in the UK and an estimated timeline on type 26 construction
were also 9 yrs behind the RN on replacement though
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Not sure that truly means the UK is a worse state. Old is old,
Just because Canada expected the CPF’s to last 30 years, doesn’t mean that the RN is in worse shape with the 23’s being planned for 18 years. The RCN average is still older…
This is the best article I have seen on the Type 23 life extensions. The comments are particularly interesting. In any case, presumably many of the issues described with regards to structural issues are being faced by our ships.
End in sight for the Royal Navy’s Type 23 frigate LIFEX programme | Navy Lookout
www.navylookout.com
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Ship | Age from Commissioning | Years Past Designed Service Life |
| HMCS Halifax | 31 years, 9 months | 1 year, 9 months |
| HMCS Vancouver | 30 years, 7 months | 7 months |
| HMCS Ville de Quebec | 29 years, 9 months | None |
| HMCS Toronto | 30 years, 8 months | 8 months |
| HMCS Regina | 29 years, 6 months | None |
| HMCS Calgary | 29 years, 1 month | None |
| HMCS Montreal | 29 years, 8 months | None |
| HMCS Fredericton | 29 years, 7 months | None |
| HMCS Winnipeg | 27 years, 9 months | None |
| HMCS Charlottetown | 28 years, 7 months | None |
| HMCS St. John's | 27 years, 9 months | None |
| HMCS Ottawa | 27 years, 6 months | None |
| HMS Argyll | 32 years, 10 months | 14 years |
| HMS Lancaster | 31 years, 11 months | 13 years |
| HMS Iron Duke | 30 years, 10 months | 12 years |
| HMS Northumberland | 29 years, 4 months | 11 years |
| HMS Richmond | 28 years, 9 months | 10 years |
| HMS Somerset | 27 years, 6 months | 9 years |
| HMS Sutherland | 26 years, 9 months | 8 years |
| HMS Kent | 23 years, 10 months | 5 years |
| HMS Portland | 22 years, 11 months | 4 years |
| HMS St Albans | 21 years, 10 months | 3 years |
CPF's are on average older than Type 23's but the chart and median is skewed by the fact the RN has sold or decommissioned 6 vessels of the class while the RCN has retained the entire class. When you design a ship specifically for a certain period of service, that is something that directly affects the margins and specifics of the design. For all of the hard service and abuse the CPF's have dealt with, they were atleast designed with a considerably longer service life compared to the Type 23's and their money saving exercise. The RCN is going to be hurting more in the long term due to the CSC being so far off compared to the Type 26 procurement but this circles back to my concerns about the RN interrupting their own procurements for Norway, much of their fleet is quite a bit over their designed life already.
Can they do it? Sure they can but their own force potentially will suffer in the meantime.
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Ship | Age from Commissioning | Years Past Designed Service Life | AGE AT REPLACEMENT??? |
| HMCS Halifax | 31 years, 9 months | 1 year, 9 months | 41+ |
| HMCS Vancouver | 30 years, 7 months | 7 months | 42+ |
| HMCS Ville de Quebec | 29 years, 9 months | None | 42+ |
| HMCS Toronto | 30 years, 8 months | 8 months | 44+ |
| HMCS Regina | 29 years, 6 months | None | 44+ |
| HMCS Calgary | 29 years, 1 month | None | 45+ |
| HMCS Montreal | 29 years, 8 months | None | 45+ |
| HMCS Fredericton | 29 years, 7 months | None | 46+ |
| HMCS Winnipeg | 27 years, 9 months | None | 44+ |
| HMCS Charlottetown | 28 years, 7 months | None | 46+ |
| HMCS St. John's | 27 years, 9 months | None | 46+ |
| HMCS Ottawa | 27 years, 6 months | None | 47+ |
We've got a long road ahead of us and Im sure some ships will be worse off than other, age not being the only factor. I doubt Irving is going to be able to punch the CSC's out faster than one a year once they get going
