Canadian Millitia/Insurgent tactics?

[Pieman]

I am wondering if there is any kind of information/operations manual that is geared towards situations where North America would be overrun with an occupational force? I am thinking that back in the cold war, there may have been tactical information for a militia to engage occupying Russian forces if they got a foot hold in some area? Effectively something to allow for civilians to organize an insurgent style opposition force.  I guess a 'Red Dawn' type of situation. Perhaps that might be a future Chinese scenario.

I have been thinking about what I would do in such situations, what kind of weapons could I put together with stuff that is in my garage, home depot, etc. It's funny because the best the Taliban could muster was diesel fuel mixed with fertilizer, and rigging some basic charge mechanisms.

The things I was able to come up with so far are a bit scary by comparison. ha.

Anyway, if there is no information like this available then it is something I am considering putting something like that together. Anyone know of an operations manual or something like this out there? I have googled but no luck finding something so far.

 

[ModlrMike]

There is a training film on the subject.

 

[yayotheo]

Anarchist's cookbook?

 

[Remius]

Something tells me this post is now being monitored and Pieman has made it on a "list" somewhere.

;D

 

[daftandbarmy]

I am wondering if there is any kind of information/operations manual that is geared towards situations where North America would be overrun with an occupational force? I am thinking that back in the cold war, there may have been tactical information for a militia to engage occupying Russian forces if they got a foot hold in some area? Effectively something to allow for civilians to organize an insurgent style opposition force.  I guess a 'Red Dawn' type of situation. Perhaps that might be a future Chinese scenario.

I have been thinking about what I would do in such situations, what kind of weapons could I put together with stuff that is in my garage, home depot, etc. It's funny because the best the Taliban could muster was diesel fuel mixed with fertilizer, and rigging some basic charge mechanisms.

The things I was able to come up with so far are a bit scary by comparison. ha.

Anyway, if there is no information like this available then it is something I am considering putting something like that together. Anyone know of an operations manual or something like this out there? I have googled but no luck finding something so far.

Yes. The American Revolutionary War is well documented

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution

 

[Pieman]

There is a training film on the subject.

Kinda of what I'm thinking, but a handbook for the real thing.

Anarchist's cookbook?

Kind of along the same lines but with defense against occupational force as the focus. Have you ever read that though? I did about ten or more years ago...has it been updated? What I saw was junk and looks like it was written by a teenager. It also doesn't even begin tap into technology available when it was written, let alone today.

Something tells me this post is now being monitored and Pieman has made it on a "list" somewhere

I'm on all kinds of lists.

Yes. The American Revolutionary War is well documented

umm. sure....perhaps you can let us know how you load your musket? Make sure the nurses in the old folks home are okay with it first though.

From the comments, I'm thinking there is nothing good out there.  That's good as I have a side project now.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I am wondering if there is any kind of information/operations manual that is geared towards situations where North America would be overrun with an occupational force? I am thinking that back in the cold war, there may have been tactical information for a militia to engage occupying Russian forces if they got a foot hold in some area? Effectively something to allow for civilians to organize an insurgent style opposition force.  I guess a 'Red Dawn' type of situation. Perhaps that might be a future Chinese scenario.

(....)

Anyway, if there is no information like this available then it is something I am considering putting something like that together. Anyone know of an operations manual or something like this out there? I have googled but no luck finding something so far.

I know in videos of English-speaking separatist fighters in eastern Ukraine, a lot of them, for some reason, like to show this book off ....

.... so it might be worth exploring for material.

 

[Fabius]

There is also "Total Resistance: A Guerrilla Warfare Manual for Everyone". It was written in 1957 by the Swiss army officer Hans von Dach to prepare the Swiss population for an occupation of Switzerland by Warsaw Pact forces, an eventuality then considered possible in the context of the Cold War.

 

[ueo]

Did a paper on this many years ago while a student at Staff School. In a nut shell my basic conclusion was that the development of a "guerilla" force in south western Ontario was feasible but its leadership would have to come from the community while its arms etc. would have been purloined from existing stocks. Tactical advice would be provided by trained soldiers who had escaped/avoided capture by an occupying force. Tactics were classical small unit ambush/raids etc. designed to weaken the occupiers will and thereby encourage him to depart. Passed the course but PO'd many of the Cbt Arms DS for whom this novel idea (stolen from Mao, Fidel and the usual gang) was the ultimate in heresy. To the question, read much of the doctrine published by the US, Brits and the French from the 60's and early 70's or the histories of other early SF organisations.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Did a paper on this many years ago while a student at Staff School. In a nut shell my basic conclusion was that the development of a "guerilla" force in south western Ontario was feasible but its leadership would have to come from the community while its arms etc. would have been purloined from existing stocks. Tactical advice would be provided by trained soldiers who had escaped/avoided capture by an occupying force. Tactics were classical small unit ambush/raids etc. designed to weaken the occupiers will and thereby encourage him to depart. Passed the course but PO'd many of the Cbt Arms DS for whom this novel idea (stolen from Mao, Fidel and the usual gang) was the ultimate in heresy. To the question, read much of the doctrine published by the US, Brits and the French from the 60's and early 70's or the histories of other early SF organisations.

Or you could just facilitate an AAR with this bunch and apply the lessons learned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Ontario_terrorism_plot

 

[Pieman]

I know in videos of English-speaking separatist fighters in eastern Ukraine, a lot of them, for some reason, like to show this book off ....

Thanks, I will have a look at this. Written in 1943 though. I really think the types of weapons that a modern, educated insurgent can put together will change things a lot. Not to say that the tactics here are not relevant.

To the question, read much of the doctrine published by the US, Brits and the French from the 60's and early 70's or the histories of other early SF organisations.

Will look into that as well. Again, I think the capabilities of an insurgent created here today will be very different from even the early 90's. Has a lot to do with the type of technology that is over the shelf these days. For example 3D printers could have a major role in weapon production.

There is also "Total Resistance: A Guerrilla Warfare Manual for Everyone". It was written in 1957 by the Swiss army officer Hans von Dach to prepare the Swiss population for an occupation of Switzerland by Warsaw Pact forces, an eventuality then considered possible in the context of the Cold War.

Will look at this as well, thanks.

I'll come back at some point with an outline of how I am going to proceed for those who may be interested.

 

[Old Sweat]

Just a thought that may or may not be off the wall. You might check the literature on gangs re their motivation and operations and how to combat them. The MND apparently used the methodology the Vancouver Police Service employed in that city successfully against the Taliban, who shared a number of features with urban gangs.

 

[Pieman]

Just a thought that may or may not be off the wall. You might check the literature on gangs re their motivation and operations and how to combat them. The MND apparently used the methodology the Vancouver Police Service employed in that city successfully against the Taliban, who shared a number of features with urban gangs.

Yes, I recall this as I worked with Lt. Col Sajjan overseas and he was talking a lot about that. I'm more looking at developing a manual for the people on the insurgent side in US/Canada.  Operating like a mafia is the norm over there, which was around long before the invasion. I'm not sure if it would come into play in North America.

 

[Journeyman]

I'm more looking at developing a manual for the people on the insurgent side in US/Canada.

Why?

 

[PuckChaser]

If its in a book, someone gets ahold of it, probably the people we'd be using the tactics against. That's the whole point about irregular/guerrilla warfare, its unpredictable.

 

[dapaterson]

Wolverines!

 

[Loch Sloy!]

http://www.coleshillhouse.com/bunkers.php

 

[daftandbarmy]

Why?

Is he the Adjt for the Michigan Militia?

"Due to ISIS threats, we are on Yellow alert for now. Check your mags, gear, water, and other loadout. Contact your team leader or other SMVM staff."

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/

 

[Pieman]

Why?

First, I asked myself what would be different if we went into Afghanistan where the population was somewhat educated, and had access to similar resources as I did here in Canada. We were up against people using asymmetrical warfare tactics using dominantly the most primitive forms of weapons with decent success.

I looked at the resources available to myself in my home. Looking at the computers/electronics around my home, the supplies/chemicals/cleaning supplies in my house. Chemicals/supplies available in home depot etc. I realized what a different enemy would would have been facing if they had access to the same stuff I do....especially the off-the-shelf potassium based acids used for metal cleaning. Mercy!

If they were not so basic and primitive, the situation would have been very different. I can't guess to how much more successful they would have been, but we likely would have had a much harder war.

Second, technology has changed enough that I think the type of weapons and tactics that could be created are going to have a major impact on how North Americans would fight an occupational force.

Third, if we know what a high-tech, educated, resourceful insurgent really looks like and is capable of doing, then we can anticipate and create counter-tactics/tech. If we happen to go into a country that is a lot smarter and capable then we are not caught with out pants down.

If its in a book, someone gets ahold of it, probably the people we'd be using the tactics against. That's the whole point about irregular/guerrilla warfare, its unpredictable.

If it became a good document, then parts could be kept close to the chest of someone official and made available when need be. I'm likely going to be working with the military and strategic studies department at the UofC if this project actually moves forward.

Wolverines!

The question is whether we should all get the high school jackets, or not?

Is he the Adjt for the Michigan Militia?

I'm talking about creating a potentially useful document here, not forming a group or anything.

 

[Pieman]

http://www.coleshillhouse.com/bunkers.php

Almost missed your link. Excellent info there! Thank you.